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Originally Posted by Strell Incapable of knowing a word can have a connotation versus denotation, derogatory pejoratives, and other linguistic baggage. Details at 11.

When certain folks kept using "Bush Tax Cuts", the argument was made that the term was okay because those "on the right" used it. No difference was made for how the term was being used.

Originally Posted by UncleBob When certain folks

Killed your own argument right there.

Not really, when the initial post was aimed at those certain folks.

Originally Posted by UncleBob So, it's great to know that we agree about folks who try to make it "Democrats vs. Republicans." On a wholly different note, I love that, some time ago, the vs. forum elite came out against the term "Obamacare" - saying anyone who used it was a tool and a fool. http://www.barackobama.com/life-of-julia/ Visit Julia at age 27. You'll see that Obama's own campaign staff is using the term "Obamacare". Pretty awesome.

Elite is not an insult.

Did I say it was an insult. I assure you, I meant it with the highest regards deserved.

Originally Posted by UncleBob One of my favorite arguments. When zero Republicans vote for the bill, then 100% of the bill is on the Democrats. The very idea of complaining that the bill had to suck to get support from Republicans is laughable, when in the next breath, you complain about how the Republicans wouldn't support anything the Democrats did.

First off, The Left!=Democrats.

Secondly, Republicans were integral and instrumental in crafting the bill every single step of the way.

Originally Posted by Sarang01 Yeah Heritage is said an awful lot. I'll agree with you there. The closest "Liberal" to Limbaugh with an influence is Ed Schultz who I have little respect for after hearing one of the main reasons for him becoming Liberal, namely being paid to push for the Democrats. I also thought it was disgusting how he'd schill above all for Obama when Obama was already full of shit at one point. I'm also extremely bitter he took Lynn Samuels weekly time slot on Sirius a couple of months or more before she died. She ended up on the weekend instead with her salary being cut drastically. How that big turd took her place on Sirius is disgusting. Why Ed Schultz couldn't have died instead on Christmas Eve 2011 I don't understand.

I'm not a huge fan of Schultz, but the only thing he has in common with Limbaugh is vitriol. Cenk Uygur from The Young Turks does a far better job than Schultz and I wouldn't even throw Maddow in as being close on influence alone and certainly not on tone. Frankly, I'm surprised that after all this time, no one ever mentions John Stewart.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy No, but if the Democrats were the only ones that planned on voting on it anyway you would assume that they would make the bill that they wanted to pass. Which they made. And they passed. Day 2 of the healthcare bill still being passed. Life is unchanged, people seem the same. No death camps yet, and old people are still getting their meds. Things look promising.

One right (first bolded text) and one big wrong (second bolded text). Keep trying little buddy.

LOLZ...it's hilarious how Pliskin tends to try and alienate everyone in the forum. Especially the ones that he shares similar political leanings with and is totally oblivious to it.

Originally Posted by dohdough First off, The Left!=Democrats.

Yeah, just like The Right ≠ Republicans. Although you wouldn't know that by all the hate that spews from this board towards anyone with the slightest bit of conservative leaning.

Secondly, Republicans were integral and instrumental in crafting the bill every single step of the way.

Sounds about right. A dog leaves a turd on the sidewalk, you pick it up and eat it, then blame the dog for leaving it there in the first place.

It's a horrible monstrosity of a bill. Voted for - and thus enacted by - the Democrats. I don't care who wrote the thing... Millions of crap bills, ordinances, laws, etc... have been written. I don't care. It's when they pass that we should be concerned.

Oh please, it wouldn't matter if the republicans had had no influence on the bill, you'd still hate it. You're a hack and that's all there is to it. You think you're moderate, and that's all in your mind.

Please, oh please Mr. Clak - where the hell did I ever say I was a moderate?

And you're correct - the amount of Republican influence on the bill wouldn't change how I feel about the bill. You make it sound like a bad thing that I'm not swayed by party politics. It's a bad bill, no matter who made it, who voted for it and who supported it.

Oh yes the liberal mental illness. It is the republicans fault that the democrats had a super majority and ram rodded obamacare. Yet all republicans voted against it. But yet they are sooo to blame. But yet these same people still call it Bush's war when that was truly a bi-partisan act and democrats had the actual control and actual power to stop it but did not and ACTUALLY supported it more than once in more than one way. That isn't what I would call Bush's war. But this could easily be called Obamacare as it was forced by Obama's democrats. Come on liberals you can do it take your blame for the WARS your democrats truly supported and PASSED and quit telling republicans that they should do the same with OBAMACARE when you are being such hypocrites and the two are soooo different.

Oh the liberal illness.

Originally Posted by UncleBob Yeah, just like The Right ≠ Republicans. Although you wouldn't know that by all the hate that spews from this board towards anyone with the slightest bit of conservative leaning.

More strawmen. Wonderful!

It's almost as if I didn't specifically say "the left" and "Republicans." Oh wait, I did!

I personally get more hate on this forum than all of the "slightly conservative leaning" members combined and the only times I say anything about it is when one of you chuckles try to lecture me on punching below the belt or play the victim.

Sounds about right. A dog leaves a turd on the sidewalk, you pick it up and eat it, then blame the dog for leaving it there in the first place.

el-oh-el

If writing shitty analogies was a profession, you'd make a killing. Here's a better one:
Me and you are teammates on Hell's Kitchen and have to make multiple servings of a dish. We decide to make a bbq dish with me wanting to St Louis style and you wanting to go with a dry rub. We spend most of the time arguing and eventually we compromise with a dry-rub and an ounce of sauce on the side, otherwise, you'd refuse to help. Gordon Ramsey tries it, throws it across the kitchen, calls us a bunch of ing donkeys, and wonders why we decided to serve him a dried out piece of meat on a bone with only a smidgen of sauce. Your answer is to him is blame me for making that compromise.

It's a horrible monstrosity of a bill. Voted for - and thus enacted by - the Democrats.I don't care who wrote the thing... Millions of crap bills, ordinances, laws, etc... have been written. I don't care. It's when they pass that we should be concerned.

Everyone already knows that you don't care when it hurts your argument.

Originally Posted by dohdough LOLZ...it's hilarious how Pliskin tends to try and alienate everyone in the forum. Especially the ones that he shares similar political leanings with and is totally oblivious to it.

Ya, I can't help but laugh when I read his stuff

Originally Posted by dohdough If writing shitty analogies was a profession, you'd make a killing. Here's a better one:

You're correct. That was a better shitty analogy. Good job.

Let me make it less shitty for you.

You and I are teammates on Hell's Kitchen and have to make multiple servings of a dish. We decide to make a bbq dish with me wanting to St Louis style and you wanting to go with a dry rub. We spend most of the time arguing and eventually we compromise with a dry-rub and an ounce of sauce on the side, otherwise, I'd refuse to help. After seeing the final dish, I decide to back out, saying the dish is crap and isn't worth serving - knowing the cardinal rule of executive food service is that you NEVER knowingly serve bad food. Ramsey looks at the dish and expresses reluctance at the thought of consuming it. When he asks what's in it, You say "**** you, you have to eat it to find out what's in it.", and shove it down his throat anyway. Ramsey says "What the hell is this ****" and your defense is "Oh, I knew it was ****, but what else was I supposed to do? It's all his fault.

On another note:
https://twitter.com/patrickgaspard/s...47872163344386

Stay classy, Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee.

Recieved an email from the CEO of our hospital system about the healthcare law yesterday.

Basically
TL;DR:

More patients coming in. Less federal reimbursment to pay for them.
(More patients. Less Money)

Originally Posted by eldergamer Recieved an email from the CEO of our hospital system about the healthcare law yesterday. Basically TL;DR: More patients coming in. Less federal money to pay for them. (More patients. Less Money)

which will lead to less and less healthcare workers which all will lead to less quality and on and on and on...

I am just wondering what happened to one of Obama's many LIES about everyone having the same healthcare congress and he does. I want a personal physician following me around too. Are all these new TAXES going to get me that?

Oh wait nope just worse service and I have to pay higher prices and taxes to get that so someone else who doesn't do shit can have shitty care too. While the elites will STILL have quality care and MONEY. Sounds good sign me up to be screwed. Oh wait I don't get to sign up I am FORCED against my will to do it.

Originally Posted by UncleBob You're correct. That was a better shitty analogy. Good job. Let me make it less shitty for you.

You forgot to mention how you sabotaged it at every step and didn't want us to win to begin with.

On another note: https://twitter.com/patrickgaspard/s...47872163344386 Stay classy, Executive Director of the Democratic National Committee.

It is, bitches. Suck it.

Originally Posted by dohdough You forgot to mention how you sabotaged it at every step and didn't want us to win to begin with.

So, It's a bad bill, it was sabotaged, full of ****ty compromises, half-measures and gifts to all the wrong folks... and yet, it's still worth voting for?

Congrats. You not only support ****, but you acknowledge that it's **** you support. You're not a hypocrite, you're just an idiot.

It is, bitches. Suck it.

If any GOP member had came out with such a message had it not been upheld, that post would have been in the "Stay Classy" thread in seconds.

Originally Posted by eldergamer Recieved an email from the CEO of our hospital system about the healthcare law yesterday. Basically TL;DR: More patients coming in. Less federal reimbursment to pay for them. (More patients. Less Money)

Did the CEO say how they plan to deal with this? Maybe look into ways to make patient care more efficient?

Also, did the CEO mention that the percentage of uninsured patients would most likely decrease? My understanding is that uninsured patients are somewhat of a problem for hospitals.