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Originally Posted by HowStern Well, with forced coverage, everyone pays. You sign up for the public option you pay the fee. You don't sign up for any kind of plan you get fined. Everyone pays their own way.

Especially when they can't afford it!

Originally Posted by HowStern Well, with forced coverage, everyone pays. You sign up for the public option you pay the fee. You don't sign up for any kind of plan you get fined. Everyone pays their own way.

So are you telling me that the guy that doesn't pay gets turned away at the emergency room under the new plan?

Originally Posted by thrustbucket So are you telling me that the guy that doesn't pay gets turned away at the emergency room under the new plan?

We don't do that now with a broken system costing us a ton, why would we start doing it with a reformed system that saves us money?

@fullmetal, I'm really sick of the "They won't be able to afford a service that is based on what they make" argument. It's a load of shit. Right now the only alternative is to not get health care at all. How's that better? Oh, right, they could go and buy an expensive plan and sell their house and their car and give up their kids college savings if they get sick. That's a much better alternative!

^ except that the kind of people you're talking about don't have delusions of grandeur like "savings" and "college for kids."

Originally Posted by thrustbucket Well said, fullmetal. I have been looking for any hard numbers on any independent study on exactly WHY those 30-60 million Americans without Healthcare don't have it. I can't find one so far. Does anyone know of one? We seem pretty hell bent on getting them healthcare, hell or high water, but nobody seems to be really asking the question "Why don't they have it?" What percentage of those who don't have it don't have it by choice or don't work at all? Or are we, as a nation, really actually saying "Even if you want to live under a bridge, not work, and not contribute - you should have healthcare for free because it's a right". Is that really where we have come?

Can't speak for everyone, but i don't have health care because no company will take me due to health problems.

Get off your ass and stop being sick, then.

Originally Posted by JolietJake Can't speak for everyone, but i don't have health care because no company will take me due to health problems.

Then you are a good example for the type of reform we need. If you have a job and pay taxes and can't get insurance, I have no problem with the government stepping in and providing you with something.

Originally Posted by HowStern @fullmetal, I'm really sick of the "They won't be able to afford a service that is based on what they make" argument.

I'm really sick of you and everyone else who supports these bills saying that they are going to be so great, and expand coverage to everyone. It is partly based on what they make, but it is a minimum of 11-12% of someone's income that is being taken away before the subsidies kick in. I don't know how you expect a family that is making barely enough to feed their kids, and pay for rent on their home to afford that.

It's a load of shit. Right now the only alternative is to not get health care at all. How's that better?

How are the plans being debated better?

Oh, right, they could go and buy an expensive plan and sell their house and their car and give up their kids college savings if they get sick. That's a much better alternative!

Do you know how to ing read? No where in my posts have I suggested anything like this. I have instead suggested a variety of things, including expanding Medicare to the people who cannot get/afford insurance, letting the states handle it, while giving them funding to expand care, and a life/car insurance like option for health care insurance that only covers emergencies. All of these would be much better options than the bills that are currently being debated.

So what does it say in the proposed bills is the penalty for not paying for health insurance or not having it?

Originally Posted by mykevermin Get off your ass and stop being sick, then.

I know, i'm a lazy bum.

Originally Posted by JolietJake Can't speak for everyone, but i don't have health care because no company will take me due to health problems.

There also plenty of people who have insurance that won't cover something considered preexisting, so they are covered for almost everything except for what they would probably need attention for.

Originally Posted by fullmetalfan720 I'm really sick of you and everyone else who supports these bills saying that they are going to be so great, and expand coverage to everyone. It is partly based on what they make, but it is a minimum of 11-12% of someone's income that is being taken away before the subsidies kick in.

Source that isn't an op-ed or blog?

Do you know how to ing read? No where in my posts have I suggested anything like this. I have instead suggested a variety of things, including expanding Medicare to the people who cannot get/afford insurance, letting the states handle it, while giving them funding to expand care, and a life/car insurance like option for health care insurance that only covers emergencies. All of these would be much better options than the bills that are currently being debated.

LOL..Completely unrealistic. How will we pay for these things while we continue to pay 3x more per person than every other industrialized nation?

Originally Posted by thrustbucket So what does it say in the proposed bills is the penalty for not paying for health insurance or not having it?

You should totally do some original research and hook us up with that.

Originally Posted by HowStern Source that isn't an op-ed or blog?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...9U9oAD99ODVVG0

_Poor people would get subsidies to help them buy care after spending 12 percent of their income on premiums, instead of 11 percent in the existing bill.

LOL..Completely unrealistic. How will we pay for these things while we continue to pay 3x more per person than every other industrialized nation?

How will we pay for a public option? Cut 500 billion off Medicare? That will work real well. You know, giving government control of something doesn't mean it magically starts working right. Actually, it tends to mean the opposite.

Originally Posted by fullmetalfan720 How will we pay for a public option?

Leave Iraq. That's $50-100 billion per year easy.

Originally Posted by fatherofcaitlyn Leave Iraq. That's $50-100 billion per year easy.

And Afghanistan, and everywhere else. Do we really need troops in Japan or Germany anymore?

Pull out of Afghanistan? Ummm...huh?

http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/20...ficit-ne.shtml

Originally Posted by Msut77 http://edlabor.house.gov/newsroom/20...ficit-ne.shtml

I don't trust anybody with a mustache.

Originally Posted by mykevermin Pull out of Afghanistan? Ummm...huh?

Yes. I'm not against sending aid to other countries when they face major natural disasters, but aside from that, let's fix our problems here before we worry about fixing the rest of the globe.