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He should fire himself while he's at it.

I lived near Blacksburg VA from 2006-2010 (Go Radford) and it seems like the song and dance for VT was the same every year. Win against some decent teams, rise in the polls to a single-digit spot (I think they got to #2 at least once) and choke it all away in a game that they should win.

Now they aren't even repeating that pattern of semi-success.

Originally Posted by soulvengeance Hopefully K State will get some respect now.

The only teams ahead of them in the BCS are Alabama, Florida, and Oregon. I'd argue that they have been getting a good amount of respect since they beat Oklahoma. K.State's remaining schedule should keep them in the top 4 as long as they keep winning.

Originally Posted by blindinglights Just a few more losses and Beamer will have to fire the offensive coaches...

Yeah the ACC Coastal half is really struggling this season, only Duke and N.Carolina have a record above .500. Who would have thought that next week's Florida St. vs Duke game would be a battle between the ACC division leaders?


I don't imagine the BCS top 6 will change and 8-12 will probably all move up a spot, possibly a few leapfrogs here and there. 13-25 is where all the movement should be, I'd expect Iowa St., TCU, Cincinnati, and maybe even W.Virgina to drop out. Texas A&M and S.Carolina will fall but will probably remain in the BCS top 25. Michigan should be one of the newcomers to slip in the 20-25 range, Ohio might also sneak in despite the fact that they didn't play this weekend. Next weekend will cause some movement in the top 10 for sure though with Florida vs Georgia, N.Dame vs Oklahoma, and Alabama vs Miss. St.

Man, I can't recall a team I follow ever having a season take a u-turn like WVU's has. Just overrated the offense from the Baylor and Texas games when it turns out those two teams are just mediocre at best and have terrible defenses.

Have an off week to try to get things turned around. Maybe the offense can get going again, but I don't see the defense getting better. Just too many young players in the secondary, on top of having a new scheme and defensive coaching staff.

In terms of remaining schedule, TCU will be tough, @ Ok State is probably a loss with the offense they have, Oklahoma will destroy us, Iowa State is a toss up, and Kansas should be a win--but who knows if we lose a bunch more before them and the team gives up on the season.


Geno's Heisman hopes are shot as well. It's Klein's to lose now.

K State has a great chance to run the table, having already won at Oklahoma and WVU. They have left:

Texas Tech
Ok State
@TCU
@Baylor
Texas

I'll be rooting for them to get to the title game. But they'll need help as they won't jump Oregon or Bama/Florida if all 3 are unbeaten.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Geno's Heisman hopes are shot as well. It's Klein's to lose now.

I am hoping Klein chokes... I would love to see a Te'o, with the story he has, win the Heisman.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 K State has a great chance to run the table, having already won at Oklahoma and WVU...I'll be rooting for them to get to the title game. But they'll need help as they won't jump Oregon or Bama/Florida if all 3 are unbeaten.

If N.Dame manages to keep winning there is also a chance that the Irish could jump K.State too. I don't think either one of them would ever get in the title game over an undefeated Oregon or SEC champ. Both the Wildcats and the Irish could stay ahead of an undefeated Oregon St. team though, which would be interesting.

True, but I don't see that happening. ND has just had a pretty soft schedule. Oklahoma should beat them soundly next week.

But yeah, neither K State or ND is going to jump over unbeaten Oregon or an unbeaten SEC champ. So they need one or the other of those to take at least 1 loss.

New Coach's Poll:

1 Alabama 7-0 1475 59 1
2 Oregon 7-0 1403 0 2
3 Florida 7-0 1329 0 4
4 Kansas St. 7-0 1326 0 3
5 Notre Dame 7-0 1221 0 5
6 LSU 7-1 1164 0 6
7 Oklahoma 5-1 1084 0 7
8 USC 6-1 1014 0 9
9 Oregon St. 6-0 974 0 11
10 Florida St. 7-1 948 0 10
11 Georgia 6-1 850 0 12
12 Mississippi St. 7-0 800 0 16
13 Clemson 6-1 788 0 13
14 Louisville 7-0 720 0 14
15 Rutgers 7-0 637 0 17
16 South Carolina 6-2 598 0 8
17 Texas Tech 6-1 571 0 20
18 Boise St. 6-1 407 0 22
19 Stanford 5-2 401 0 23
20 Michigan 5-2 264 0 25
21Texas A&M 5-2 229 0 19
22 West Virginia 5-2 173 0 15
23 Ohio 7-0 132 0 NR
24 Texas 5-2 109 0 NR
25 Wisconsin 6-2 104 0 NR

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 True, but I don't see that happening. ND has just had a pretty soft schedule. Oklahoma should beat them soundly next week. But yeah, neither K State or ND is going to jump over unbeaten Oregon or an unbeaten SEC champ. So they need one or the other of those to take at least 1 loss.

I agree that it probably would not be enough to jump Oregon for #2 but to say Notre Dame's schedule is soft is a bit extreme.

I would make the argument that, to this point, Oregon is getting too much credit because the first half of their schedule hasn't exactly been grueling one. Arizona has probably been their biggest opponent and they're 4-3?

That will change for the three going forward as they all have some big time games in the second half but I'd have to say of the three teams, at this point in the season, Oregon's schedule has at worst been equal if not softer than Notre Dame's and definitely weaker than the Big 12 schedule KSU has played to this point.

Oh I agree. I was just saying I don't see ND winning out, not that they're overrated. They've played an ok schedule. Just no one on par with Oklahoma they get next, or Alabama, Oregon, K State etc since the Big Ten is so awful this year and they've played three of those teams that aren't as strong as usual

Season is starting to feel a bot moot anyway. Hard to see anyone beating Bama now that they have an offense to go with the dominant defense.

2nd BCS rankings are out:


(undefeated teams in italics)

1. Alabama 7-0
2. Florida 7-0
3. K.State 7-0
4. Oregon 7-0
5. N.Dame 7-0
6. LSU 7-1
7. Oregon St. 6-0
8. Oklahoma 5-1
9. USC 6-1
10. Georgia 6-1
11. Miss. St. 7-0
12. Florida St. 7-1
13. S.Carolina 6-2
14. Texas Tech 6-1
15. Rutgers 7-0
16. Louisville 7-0
17. Stanford 5-2
18. Clemson 6-1
19. W.Virginia 5-2
20. Texas A&M 5-2
21. Boise St. 6-1
22. Michigan 5-2
23. Texas 5-2
24. Ohio 7-0
25. Wisconsin 6-2

K.State getting some respect as they jump Oregon, computers just don't buy into the Ducks. I was a little surprised that Wisconsin came in at 25 but I thought Michigan and Ohio would make it in this week. We'll see some movement next week as ther are 3 matchups between teams in the top 11.

I expect Oregon to drop to #5 if ND manages to beat OKLA (I don't expect this to happen) this Saturday. Oregon is playing a HORRIBLE Colorado team at home, doesn't do them any favors.

Thus far, the computers shouldn't buy the Ducks, we've played nobody thus far. But, as many analysts have pointed out, we've outright dominated our opponents and we have one of the toughest schedules remaining with road games at USC and OSU and the Pac-12 title game where we'll probably have to play USC again.

It's a shame K-State backed out of their game against Oregon this year, all other things equal and constant, the winner of that game would've been a lock at #2 at this point.

Originally Posted by chuckie88 2nd BCS rankings are out: K.State getting some respect as they jump Oregon, computers just don't buy into the Ducks. I was a little surprised that Wisconsin came in at 25 but I thought Michigan and Ohio would make it in this week. We'll see some movement next week as ther are 3 matchups between teams in the top 11.

I am surprised Texas is on this list. 6 point victor in a shootout against a 3-3 Baylor. They shouldn't be on the list to begin with.

Funny how the AP is way different than the BCS. Interesting...

Originally Posted by A Happy Panda I expect Oregon to drop to #5 if ND manages to beat OKLA (I don't expect this to happen) this Saturday... It's a shame K-State backed out of their game against Oregon this year, all other things equal and constant, the winner of that game would've been a lock at #2 at this point.

I also think N.Dame faces a real uphill battle against Oklahoma. Of course, I have to hope for them to win since they beat Michigan earlier in the season. I didn't know about the potential K.State vs Oregon matchup, I agree that the winner would have been a solid number two. Was the game intended to be at Oregon, is that why K.State balked?

Originally Posted by lordopus99 I am surprised Texas is on this list. 6 point victor in a shootout against a 3-3 Baylor. They shouldn't be on the list to begin with.

Yeah, the Longhorns haven't looked that impressive thus far. That will probably take care of itself as they travel to Texas Tech in two weeks and finish the season hosting TCU and visiting K.State. They could easily drop all three of those games, if anything they might win the one at home with TCU.

Originally Posted by chuckie88 I also think N.Dame faces a real uphill battle against Oklahoma. Of course, I have to hope for them to win since they beat Michigan earlier in the season. I didn't know about the potential K.State vs Oregon matchup, I agree that the winner would have been a solid number two. Was the game intended to be at Oregon, is that why K.State balked? Yeah, the Longhorns haven't looked that impressive thus far. That will probably take care of itself as they travel to Texas Tech in two weeks and finish the season hosting TCU and visiting K.State. They could easily drop all three of those games, if anything they might win the one at home with TCU.

Game was to be in Eugene yeah. They backed out because the game was scheduled under KSU's old coach (forget his name, but I believe he was fired) and they needed to add an extra in-conference game.

To get back to the discussion a couple weeks back where some thought a one loss SEC champ could possibly jump over an unbeaten K-State or Oregon and get in the title game....just look at the BCS scores for the highest ranked 1 loss SEC teams--LSU and UGA.

1 Alabama .9625 1
2 Florida .9310 2
3 Kansas State .9111 4
4 Oregon .8966 3
5 Notre Dame .8512 5
6 LSU .7862 6
7 Oregon State .7421 8
8 Oklahoma .7126 9 7
9 USC .5767 10
10 Georgia .5379


There's just too much of a penalty in the scoring system for a loss for a 1 loss team to jump an undefeated team from one of the power conferences. They would definitely be on top an unbeaten Big East team. Maybe even an unbeaten ACC some years if the champ had a weak out of conference schedule. But no way to jump an unbeaten team from one of the 4 power leagues as the strength of schedule difference just isn't great enough (if its there at all in a given year) to make up for the score hit from the loss.

Only one more year of this stupid formula mattering anyway!

Originally Posted by A Happy Panda Game was to be in Eugene yeah. They backed out because the game was scheduled under KSU's old coach (forget his name, but I believe he was fired) and they needed to add an extra in-conference game.

That would be Ron Prince, and yeah he blew! Snyder had to come out of retirement to save the program a second time.

Just lots of non-conference games had to be canceled with re-alignment shifting the number of conference games.

WVU had to drop FSU with the move to the Big 12 and the jump to having 9 conference games instead of the 8 they would have had in the Big East (with TCU having joined this year if realignment hadn't happened). That was the only non-conference road game, so it had to get dropped. Can't drop home games as they need those for the AD to turn a profit. WVU is one of the few ADs that are self sufficient (not state/school funds) and turn a profit most years--though were in the red last year due to the big buyout to leave the Big East.

Probably the same thing with KSU with the change in Big 12 schedules after NU and CU jumped moving the league to a 9 game round robin schedule. Think they had 8 conference games when they had two six team divisions before.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Just lots of non-conference games had to be canceled with re-alignment shifting the number of conference games. WVU had to drop FSU with the move to the Big 12 and the jump to having 9 conference games instead of the 8 they would have had in the Big East (with TCU having joined this year if realignment hadn't happened). That was the only non-conference road game, so it had to get dropped. Can't drop home games as they need those for the AD to turn a profit. WVU is one of the few ADs that are self sufficient (not state/school funds) and turn a profit most years--though were in the red last year due to the big buyout to leave the Big East. Probably the same thing with KSU with the change in Big 12 schedules after NU and CU jumped moving the league to a 9 game round robin schedule. Think they had 8 conference games when they had two six team divisions before.

Yep, it was an 8 game schedule before everything blew up. You played all of the teams in your division and then three from the other division on a rotating basis. In Kansas State's case you played everyone from the North and three South teams.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 ...There's just too much of a penalty in the scoring system for a 1 loss team to jump an undefeated team from one of the power conferences... Only one more year of this stupid formula mattering anyway!

Yes, an undefeated team from the four power conferences will always rank ahead of teams with one loss or more.

And yes, it will be interesting and exciting to experience a new system soon.

Originally Posted by Chitown021 Snyder had to come out of retirement to save the program a second time.

What Bill Snyder has done with K.State football is nothing short of amazing. I would argue that there is currently no one individual with a greater impact on their school's program.