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Originally Posted by Genocidal What a joke. Michigan loses and doesn't drop, Oregon State gets blown out and doesn't drop, UCLA gets blown out and goes up a spot! The Powers-That-Be are doing everything they can to keep the non-AQ schools out of the BCS picture.

It is strange isn't it? I know Michigan has lost against quality teams and all (45-3 combined record) but I really didn't expect them to remain where they were, the computers kept them there as the human polls placed the Wolverines at 23 and 24. It appears the opposite was true with the two teams out West. The human polls placed Oregon St. at 15 and 17 and both have UCLA at 16.

If I get over other two remaining where they were before, I still have trouble understanding how the Bruins move UP after a loss. UCLA is right in front of Kent St. though so if they lose and Kent St. wins, the MAC should have their first BCS team. I think that's the only way a non-AQ school gets in this year. Boise St. still has to play a decent Nevada team but that probably won't be enough to get there and neither will a N. Illinois victory over Kent St.

Many of the teams that still have a game left to play are too far ahead of the Golden Flashes to help them by losing (Alabama, Georgia, Kansas St., Stanford, Oklahoma, and maybe Nebraska). A Florida St. loss would probably help the cause but that isn't likely to come against a 6-6 Georgia Tech team. What could really screw Kent St. is a Texas victory that moves the Longhorns in front of the Golden Flashes. Kent St. needs to win and for Stanford to beat UCLA, a Longhorn loss would be nice insurance too.

The problem with the two Non-AQ schools this year is that they're living up to the stereotype held by their doubters that they play absolute crap competition and come up short against better talent.

Kent State has a good win over Rutgers, but they also got blown out by Kentucky. The same Kentucky that is 2-10 and only has one other victory over FCS school Samford (who has a 2-9 record). It really hurts the perception of the team when your one loss is an old fashioned beat down at the hands of the second-worst team in one of the premier football conferences.

Northern Illinois' loss isn't nearly as bad, a one point loss to Iowa in the very first game of the season. However, that Iowa team is now 4-8 and turned out to not be very good.

I'm not saying I agree with the way all this works, but I can see why they're getting the short end of the stick here.

Originally Posted by blindinglights The problem with the two Non-AQ schools this year is that they're living up to the stereotype held by their doubters that they play absolute crap competition and come up short against better talent. Kent State has a good win over Rutgers, but they also got blown out by Kentucky. The same Kentucky that is 2-10 and only has one other victory over FCS school Samford (who has a 2-9 record). It really hurts the perception of the team when your one loss is an old fashioned beat down at the hands of the second-worst team in one of the premier football conferences. Northern Illinois' loss isn't nearly as bad, a one point loss to Iowa in the very first game of the season. However, that Iowa team is now 4-8 and turned out to not be very good. I'm not saying I agree with the way all this works, but I can see why they're getting the short end of the stick here.

I know this isn't your main point, but Kentucky was the worst in the SEC and it isn't close.

Yeah that Kentucky loss is really killing Kent St. Without their win over Rutgers, I doubt they'd even be in this conversation. The first step is in their hands however if they can't beat N.Illinois, the placement of the other teams doesn't matter. If they do manage to make it in, they will be a HUGE underdog. Especially against a team like Florida.

Originally Posted by munch I know this isn't your main point, but Kentucky was the worst in the SEC and it isn't close.

Kentucky and Auburn have close records, 2-10 versus 3-9. There's not much to compare them on, but:

Auburn's best win: 31-28 OT W over 8-4 Louisiana-Monroe

Kentucky's best win: 47-14 W over 11-1 Kent State

Seems pretty close to me.

Are you an Auburn fan?

Yeah I kind of hope Kent state loses. They'd get curb stomped in a BCS bowl so it just makes for an unwatchable game. They're not Utah, Boise or TCU of recent years who beat good teams and were legit BCS Bowl caliber teams.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Yeah I kind of hope Kent state loses. They'd get curb stomped in a BCS bowl so it just makes for an unwatchable game. They're not Utah, Boise or TCU of recent years who beat good teams and were legit BCS Bowl caliber teams.

Kent State is better than people give them credit for. In all likelihood they'll end up playing the winner of FSU/GTech, assuming they end up ranked in the Top 16. Having seen Kent State play in person, I can assure you their team speed is on par with top level BCS teams but their DLine is very small. I wouldn't be surprised if they gave FSU a game and they might very well beat GTech (again not saying much).

Maybe, but the record suggest otherwise. Curb stomped by an awful Kentucky team, beating an overrated Rutgers team (only ranked because the Big Least is awful) being the only remotely decent win.

Would rather them get left out and just have the crappy Big Least champ against the ACC winner in the Orange Bowl that no one cares about anyway. Kent getting in shifts the crappy Big Least champ somewhere else and ruins another BCS bowl.

Which is a shame as there are a pretty large number of solid 1 and 2 loss teams from major conferences this year so there could be some really good matchups otherwise.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Maybe, but the record suggest otherwise. Curb stomped by an awful Kentucky team, beating an overrated Rutgers team (only ranked because the Big Least is awful) being the only remotely decent win. Would rather them get left out and just have the crappy Big Least champ against the ACC winner in the Orange Bowl that no one cares about anyway. Kent getting in shifts the crappy Big Least champ somewhere else and ruins another BCS bowl. Which is a shame as there are a pretty large number of solid 1 and 2 loss teams from major conferences this year so there could be some really good matchups otherwise.

An interesting take on things, especially coming from a WVU fan. The "Big Least" has done quite well in BCS bowl games especially when compared to the ACC, but to each his own. IMO Kent State would give FSU or GTech a good game. As a Rutgers fan I would prefer for RU to play FSU in the Orange Bowl rather than facing an SEC team in the Sugar Bowl. Miami or NOLA is good either way as long as RU wins on Thursday.

WVU did well in BCS bowl games. Only other Big East team to win post 2004 when Miami, BC and VT bolted was Louiville in 2006 over a mediocre Wake Forest team. Otherwise the Big East champs have gotten embarrassed in BCS bowls.

Conference was a joke, and I'm happy as hell to be out of it. More fun watching us go 7-5 (assuming we don't choke against Kansas) than the Big 12 than the 10-2, 9-3 seasons we were having in the Big East with maybe only one big out of conference game to really look forward to each year. Hard to get excited about playing someone like Rutgers who we beat 17 straight times through last year. With the Big Least schedule no wins were big and all losses blew as they were upsets to teams we should beat everytime. I can get a lot more excited playing teams like Texas, Oklahoma, K-State etc. even if it means we're going to take more losses (which it does).

But yes, the ACC was even worse over that span. That's why I like the Orange Bowl just being the Big Least champ vs. the ACC champ. Get the two champs from leagues no one cares about in one game, and let the other BCS match ups be big time teams from the real power conferences.

Kent State would probably beat GT as they're terrible. But I don't see them beating FSU and FSU would steam roll Kent State.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 WVU did well in BCS bowl games. Only other Big East team to win post 2004 when Miami, BC and VT bolted was Louiville in 2006 over a mediocre Wake Forest team. Otherwise the Big East champs have gotten embarrassed in BCS bowls. Conference was a joke, and I'm happy as hell to be out of it. More fun watching us go 7-5 (assuming we don't choke against Kansas) than the Big 12 than the 10-2, 9-3 seasons we were having in the Big East with maybe only one big out of conference game to really look forward to each year. Hard to get excited about playing someone like Rutgers who we beat 17 straight times through last year. With the Big Least schedule no wins were big and all losses blew as they were upsets to teams we should beat everytime. I can get a lot more excited playing teams like Texas, Oklahoma, K-State etc. even if it means we're going to take more losses (which it does). But yes, the ACC was even worse over that span. That's why I like the Orange Bowl just being the Big Least champ vs. the ACC champ. Get the two champs from leagues no one cares about in one game, and let the other BCS match ups be big time teams from the real power conferences. Kent State would probably beat GT as they're terrible. But I don't see them beating FSU and FSU would steam roll Kent State.

If I'm not mistaken, I don't believe an ACC team, besides VTech, has won a BCS bowl game since 2000. So yeah the ACC has been God awful. I would like to see Kent State get in there and steal an at large bid from Oklahoma. I like rooting for the smaller conference teams. Plus, how do you know that Kent State is not the next TCU, Utah or Boise State?

They could be the next TCU etc. But to be so they need to schedule and beat real teams in the regular season. That's how those teams earned their BCS bids.

It's moot anyway. The BCS is gone after next year. Mid-majors will never make the 4-team playoff, and not one will give a crap about the "access bowls" as they're calling them now after the playoff starts other than fans of the teams playing in them anyway.

I'm good with the idea of Kent St. making it into a BCS bowl, even if they do get their clock cleaned. I'm glad there are a lot of good teams from the big conferences that will be playing in the non-BCS bowls as it will make some of those games more appealing to me as a fan. Back in the day the bowls were all about matching up teams that rarely, if ever competed against each other. I'm not saying I like the idea of tons of bowl games just for the sake of getting a bunch of 6-6 teams to play in the postseason but I also don't like how a huge amount of the bowl game focus is solely on the BCS bowls. In a perfect world there would remain a middle ground so I like the fact that there could be some really good games between quality teams in some of the non-BCS bowls. If Kent St. getting in helps make that happen then I'm all for it.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 They could be the next TCU etc. But to be so they need to schedule and beat real teams in the regular season. That's how those teams earned their BCS bids. It's moot anyway. The BCS is gone after next year. Mid-majors will never make the 4-team playoff, and not one will give a crap about the "access bowls" as they're calling them now after the playoff starts other than fans of the teams playing in them anyway.

Totally agree. I think the new system will be worse than the BCS for mid major teams. Heck, I'm sure at least 2 of the seats each year will be filled by SEC teams, since half the country thinks they are the only ones who play "real" football. There is no perfect system but baby steps.

On a slight tangent, if the 4 super-conferences ever come into existence, they (the powers that be) can implement a real playoff system. The top fourteen teams from the 4 super conferences and two at large bids, can compete in a sixteen team playoff to determine the best team in the country.

Originally Posted by kill3r7 There is no perfect system but baby steps.

I believe that the 16 team model that I posted about before would be as close as we could get. All 11 FBS conference champions plus five at-large bids for the top 5 non-conference champions. Every single team from every conference gets a chance and it's a whopping 4 extra games for any given team (assuming they get to the championship game).

I'm starting to think that it's not really the extra games that the presidents, conference commissioners, and athletic directors are really concerned about. I'm more inclined to believe that the friction against a true full blown playoff is due to the fact that it would make all other bowl games plummet in popularity and decrease the revenues for teams that don't make it into the 16 team playoff.

Originally Posted by blindinglights I believe that the 16 team model that I posted about before would be as close as we could get. All 11 FBS conference champions plus five at-large bids for the top 5 non-conference champions. Every single team from every conference gets a chance and it's a whopping 4 extra games for any given team (assuming they get to the championship game). I'm starting to think that it's not really the extra games that the presidents, conference commissioners, and athletic directors are really concerned about. I'm more inclined to believe that the friction against a true full blown playoff is due to the fact that it would make all other bowl games plummet in popularity and decrease the revenues for teams that don't make it into the 16 team playoff.

The big boys have no interest in sharing any of the real revenue with mid majors. At best you get 2 at large bids. 1 for ND and 1 for a mid major. It's all about making the most money for the power conferences. They hold the keys to the kingdom and there is no way they relinquish that power.

Meh, I think the best model is to just get to four 16 team leagues. Take the champs and then two at larges form those leagues for a six team playoff. Two highest ranked champs get first round byes. Keeps a lot of importance on the regular season as you can't lose many games, and doesn't water it down with small conference teams that will never win it all anyway.

Make that the new BCS division (or whatever you want to call it), left out teams can be a new D1 and do what ever kind of post season they want, drop down to FCS etc.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 WVU did well in BCS bowl games.

They potentially won't play in one again.

It's moot anyway. The BCS is gone after next year. Mid-majors will never make the 4-team playoff, and not one will give a crap about the "access bowls" as they're calling them now after the playoff starts other than fans of the teams playing in them anyway.

BCS is still there. It is still the ones determining who those 4 are. Mid-majors not making the "playoff" shows that it still isn't a playoff.

We as fans deal with the fact that even with this new system, a real champ is still not determined. FBS is the only sport that doesn't have a 16+ playoff to determine a true champion.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ts-source-said

Tulane joining the Big East in all sports.

From twitter reports, the Big East almost dissolved yesterday. Came up two votes short--with DePaul and Marquette being the only two basketball only members who voted against dissolution.

ACC also met to try to get a vote for a grant of rights (schools give conference their TV rights for set amount of time like in Big 12 to add stability), but couldn't get support. Also wasn't support for inviting UCONN. Schools divided over UCONN/Louisville as UMD replacement apparently.

Big 12 expansion committee had a meeting yesterday, but haven't seen any reports of leaks from that.

Again, just twitter reports so take it all with a grain of salt of course.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...ts-source-said Tulane joining the Big East in all sports. From twitter reports, the Big East almost dissolved yesterday. Came up two votes short--with DePaul and Marquette being the only two basketball only members who voted against dissolution. ACC also met to try to get a vote for a grant of rights (schools give conference their TV rights for set amount of time like in Big 12 to add stability), but couldn't get support. Also wasn't support for inviting UCONN. Schools divided over UCONN/Louisville as UMD replacement apparently. Big 12 expansion committee had a meeting yesterday, but haven't seen any reports of leaks from that. Again, just twitter reports so take it all with a grain of salt of course.

ECU is also joining the Big East in the event Navy decides to join the ACC.