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Originally Posted by blindinglights Blah Blah Blah

Let's look at the Heisman frontrunner...
Stanford/Washington St - Luck threw 2 TDs passes in the fourth up 17.
Stanford/Duke - Luck threw 1 TD pass in the fourth up 23.
Stanford/Colorado - Luck threw 1 TD pass in the fourth up 34.
Stanford/UCLA - Luck threw 1 TD pass with 2 minutes left up 19.
So why aren't his numbers close...

In defense for Case in relation to Rice game...
He threw 37 passes... comparisons Weeden (OK St) threw 47 last game, Boyd (Clemson) threw 46 last game, Doege/Jones (TT/OK) combined for 107 passing attempts in their game...
In addition, the last touchdown was a 5 yard dump pass that turned to a 47 score; their wideout burned Rice defenders all game including this score.

Again, there are plenty of other QB that are in a pass happy offense who aren't coming close to the numbers he possesses.

First of all, because I don't think you seem to get it, I do believe Case is a good player. Probably better than good. Either way, I have said that twice now:

Originally Posted by blindinglights I think Case is a great player

Originally Posted by blindinglights Don't get me wrong, I think he's a good player

Second of all,

Originally Posted by lordopus99 So why aren't his numbers close...

You have to be kidding me. You can't seriously be that dense.

Maybe because Stanford is run-heavy offense that uses the ground and pound to setup play action for Luck? Stanford is #19 in the country, averaging 219.43 yds/G. Houston is #57 in the country, averaging 159.13 yds/G. Stanford also likes to play keep away with that run game, it can be seen by looking at time of possession. Stanford is #22 in the country, averaging 32:00.29 min/G. Houston is #119, averaging 25:02.75 min/G.

Since you love little "fun facts" so much, here's an interesting one:

During the 2009 season, Case threw 40 more passes than Luck did in his 2009 and 2010 seasons combined.

Show me Andrew Luck throwing 700 passes in the spread during a single season and then compare them.

Originally Posted by lordopus99 Again, there are plenty of other QB that are in a pass happy offense who aren't coming close to the numbers he possesses.

You mean like that chump Graham Harrell? That loser that Case just passed on the all-time touchdown list? Yeah, well Graham served as a seldom used back-up duty in 2005 (55 total attempts, that's equivalent to a game or two for these kinds of system QBs) and started the following three full years.

Case on the other hand, while not being the true starter until late in the season, played in all thirteen games in 2007 (273 att, 2,259 yds). He was the starter in 2008 and 2009. He got three free games in 2010 thanks to the medical waiver for the extra year. Now he's the starter in his fourth year of seeing significant play time.

Also I think it would be important to point out that throwing against the kind of defensive talent that UTEP, Tulane, Tulsa, and Rice have isn't exactly the same as throwing against the kind of players that Oklahoma, Texas, Oklahoma State, etc. would have roaming around downfield.

All things equal, would Case's numbers still blow Harrell out of the water?





What other quarterbacks had four years of significant playing time in air raid offenses?

I can think of Timmy Chang, which Case is definitely better than Chang because of his lower accuracy and many interceptions.

Harrell, Couch, Brennan, Heupel, Kingsbury... None of these guys had as much playing time as Case.

You can look at the career passing yards all-time list and find someone like say Phillip Rivers, he had four years of real action right? Yeah, but it wasn't the same kind of system. The most passes Rivers ever through in a single season was 483. Case threw 589 times in '08 and 700 times in '09. Can't compare there either.

Maybe Keenum's predecessor? Kolb? He was around for four years right? He made 1,564 attempts in his career. Case has 1,929 attempts so far. We still have nearly half the season left. Houston obviously decided that lowly 400 attempts per season crap had to stop when Kolb left.

Case has ridiculous numbers... He stuck around longer than all the other guys, it was bound to happen.

Pouring snow at the WVU-Rutgers game.

Originally Posted by blindinglights You have to be kidding me. You can't seriously be that dense. Maybe because Stanford is run-heavy offense that uses the ground and pound to setup play action for Luck? Stanford is #19 in the country, averaging 219.43 yds/G. Houston is #57 in the country, averaging 159.13 yds/G. Stanford also likes to play keep away with that run game, it can be seen by looking at time of possession. Stanford is #22 in the country, averaging 32:00.29 min/G. Houston is #119, averaging 25:02.75 min/G. Since you love little "fun facts" so much, here's an interesting one: During the 2009 season, Case threw 40 more passes than Luck did in his 2009 and 2010 seasons combined. Show me Andrew Luck throwing 700 passes in the spread during a single season and then compare them.

So that explains why Luck has more interceptions in less passing attempts... Let's be for real. If Houston throws all game, all defenses against them would play prevent and Case's turnovers should be higher.

In example the guys you listed...
Harrell (senior year) - 9
Chang (senior year) - 13
Brennan (senior year) - 17
Kingsbury (senior year) - 13

Again note, Case has 3; nowhere close on par with these guys. You can compare QB Ratings if you would like.

I would rather comment on current guys in those pass happy systems...
Doege - numbers aren't close.
Jones - numbers aren't close.
Boyd - numbers aren't close.
G. Smith - numbers aren't close.
Foles - numbers aren't close.

You might claim they play better comp so lets add in other midmajor teams...
Troy's QB throws tons of passes and his numbers are garbage.
East Carolina's QB (fellow CUSA team) throws tons of passes and his numbers are garbage.
Hawaii's QB throws tons of passes and his numbers aren't close.

What other quarterbacks had four years of significant playing time in air raid offenses?

Jones will have 4 years and he won't hit his stats.

Though, you know he split time his freshmen year...

Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death. Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.


Anyway, gutty performance from WVU in terrible weather at Rutgers. Down 31-21 at the half, and win 41-31.

Syracuse lost to Louisville today, so WVU is back to controlling their fate in the Big East. Win out and they win the conference and BCS bid.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death. Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.

Yeah, sorry. I'll just let it go. He gets me with the statistics bait.

So...

Kansas State... Fraud exposed?

Originally Posted by blindinglights Yeah, sorry. I'll just let it go. He gets me with the statistics bait. So... Kansas State... Fraud exposed?

I don't know that they're a fraud because I think overall they're a solid team. They just aren't a BCS contender this year. As soon as OU shut down their running game and got them down by a couple scores it was all over. They can't pass the ball very well and they're not a quick strike offense so they don't have the firepower to come back from large deficits.

I'm really afraid of what might happen to them next week. Oklahoma State is rolling right now.

What is going on with Stanford? Are they a pretender? They are really struggling with USC.

Stanford is a tad overrated as they're not great on defense. But USC is pretty good this year as well.

6-1 with just the loss to ASU.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Blindinglights, Opus is one of those people not worth arguing with as they have terrible opinions they defend to the death.

And what was the terrible opinion about Keenum? Do you feel he is a fraud because anyone playing in a non-AQ conference is supposed to be garbage since their comp is supposed to be garbage?

I use statistical facts and occasionly bring youtube into it. I can't make up that stuff. Just saying...

Thread gets old with people going back and forth with him over the same stupid argument over and over.

Same? Each discussion or as you say argument is different, not the same. As for the thread getting old, I would say all the daily posts (mainly by 1) about expansion rumors/talks were already making this thread tiredsome.

Originally Posted by blindinglights Kansas State... Fraud exposed?

Fraud is a strong word. I would say they are and have been this year an average to good team. Their ranking wasn't proving to me as they only won by a score in wins against similar comp. Today they finally hit the bulk of their schedule and met their first good to great team and we saw the result.

Originally Posted by Chitown021 What is going on with Stanford? Are they a pretender? They are really struggling with USC.

USC isn't a bad team and they are playing them at their home so this is no surprised. For Stanford, they really haven't played anyone. Most of the teams they have played are bottom feeders i.e. haven't been challenged.

All I ask is how are Wisconsin fans doing? Second week, second hail mary finish to beat them. Ouch

Stanford wins 56-48 in OT after USC fumbles on first and goal.

I'm wondering where those yards went on that holding penalty on Stanford in OT. After the call, it was 2nd and 7 and wasn't even placed ten yards back....???????

I must have missed that play, but if it was down field holding its 10 yards from the spot of the foul rather than the line of scrimmage.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 I must have missed that play, but if it was down field holding its 10 yards from the spot of the foul rather than the line of scrimmage.

Maybe it was, but I'm so used to NFL rules I've always assumed that was just a blanket football rule. The commentators were even mentioning Kiffin was pretty pissed about the ball placement also.

It was a pretty exciting game, I just can't believe the RB didn't cover up before running into that wall and the receiver barely stepped out of bounds on the play before -_-

That was a wild ending to a crazy game. It looked like USC was going to march into the endzone, they fumble the ball, and get the unfortunate bounce right into Stanford's hands. If the receiver hadn't just barely stepped out of bounds on the prior play then they would have scored and there would not have been a fumble.

That and in regulation if USC had been smarter on their final possession they could have saved a second or two to attempt a last second game willing FG.

Originally Posted by Chitown021 That and in regulation if USC had been smarter on their final possession they could have saved a second or two to attempt a last second game willing FG.

This. That guy didn't make the smartest decision by trying to run from one sideline to the other with a couple seconds left. Follow your blockers and get out of bounds, or at least just go down, you had two timeouts left!

Buffalo Wild Wings didn't deliver 4th OT .

I have a feeling that Stanford is going to get slammed by Oregon.

Anyone see the schedule next week? Other than LSU/Bama, it's pretty uneventful.

Also, B1G Wheel of Destiny coming soon to College Football Final near you.

Yeah, I don't see Stanford beating Oregon. Their defense just isn't good enough. If they do pull it out it will be another crazy shootout.

The whole season is pretty uneventful/anticlimatic IMO as I just don't see anyone beating the LSU/Bama. Another year, another SEC national champion most likely. The other top teams just don't have great defenses.

Originally Posted by blindinglights Buffalo Wild Wings didn't deliver 4th OT . I have a feeling that Stanford is going to get slammed by Oregon. Anyone see the schedule next week? Other than LSU/Bama, it's pretty uneventful. Also, B1G Wheel of Destiny coming soon to College Football Final near you.

That just got very interesting. The following teams have realistic shots of making it to the Conference Championship in Indy:

Legends
Nebraska - Northwestern/at Penn State/at Michigan/Iowa (brutal going to Penn State/Michigan back to back weeks)
Michigan - at Iowa/at Illinois/Nebraska/Ohio State
Michigan State - Minnesota/at Iowa/Indiana/at Northwestern
Iowa (play all 3 teams ahead of them) - Michigan/Michigan State/at Purdue/at Nebraska (absolutely brutal, but not completely out of the question, only being 1 game out)

Leaders
Penn State - Nebraska/at Ohio State/at Wisconsin (toughest road in the Leaders, but theirs to lose with 3 games to go)
Ohio State - Indiana/at Purdue/Penn State/at Michigan
Wisconsin - Purdue/at Minnesota/at Illinois/Penn State
Purdue (still a shot) - at Wisconsin/Ohio State/Iowa/at Indiana

If things hold true, which they won't, I would imagine we will see Michigan playing Penn State for the trip to the Rose Bowl. The most interesting result would be Iowa and Purdue, though everything would have to fall in line for both of those teams, especially with playing one another.

Yesterday was one of the most satisfying college football days for me in recent memory. As a Georgia boy, any time we manage to get past Florida seems like a
miracle. I realize they're not the team they once were and that they handed us all kinds of opportunities, but it still felt like a quality win.

I'm also a Ga. Tech fan, believe it or not, since I'm married to one of its alums (undergrad and currently wrapping up her Masters there). So obviously that was an unbelievable game to witness. To simply win would have been impressive enough, but they dominated from start to finish. Now I'm scared again about running into them next month.

Of course, whatever happens there won't affect Georgia's division hopes. I think they have a very realistic chance of running the table and winning the SEC east (it's only a matter of time for South Carolina). I have no illusions beyond that: They're going to get massacred by whichever beast from the West they face. But we'll still go to a decent bowl and have a nice record and Richt won't be worried about his job, which is more than I can say about the last couple years. We'll also be really well positioned for next year.