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The same guy responsible for the Retro comparison vid uploaded a more detailed look via TDM on Overpass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE176NOcjbo

Might I say the Savage Drone is looking quite brolic. Very nice. I may have another Locust main besides Myrrah after all.

Since this is apparently a hot button topic on the official forums I might as well migrate it here to the thread moving: What's your stance on kill stealing in Gears?

Oh man, that video has got me riled on a level I cannot stand! Tuesday isn't coming fast enough. :(

As for your question, I don't mind it at all. Every kill stolen is still a kill for my team.

If people on my team get upset over "kill steals" then I don't want them on my team.

I generally loathe the practice as I'm a genuine team player by nature, but can appreciate the fact it's necessary in certain situations. The general unspoken rule of Gears is basically any down within walking distance is off limits, but any far beyond that is naturally forfeit. The rule receives a minor tweak for game types lacking Execution rules, but it's more or less concrete. Problem is a large majority of stolen kills in this game are deliberate acts of being a class S douche. More often than not the perps already lack the necessary skill to contribute in meaningful ways thus discrediting any sort of "for the team" bullshit logic. They aren't interested in winning that much. They usually do it to band-aid their wounded k/d to appear competent undermining the incentive of teamwork while reinforcing the same lone wolf sentiment that sabotages what could have been a guaranteed win.

Better players already have the burden of carrying them for the entire match. Why make matters worse for them by deliberately stealing their kills? It's more of a common courtesy/respect issue than about the kill IMO. Let that guy who earned the down get his just due if he's in the clear to get it, you know? Don't just walk up or take something that isn't yours after you've been revived then use flawed logic to mask you being a jackass.

I'm not criticizing people who do it by accident or kill someone who is about to get revived. It's common sense to kill them. I'm criticizing the scrubs who join games JUST to piss people off by doing it as much as humanly possible.

I think because there were at least three different variants of the character on the COG team. I definitely saw Superstar and Classic. Basic Cole was probably there too.

Oh great. We are going to have entire teams of cole, aren't we....

Is it weird that I'm looking forward to this more than I was my own birthday? The only thing I thought about on my birthday this year was "Ok, it's my birthday....that means 7 days until Gears."

Man, that guy makes the Retro look AMAZING. Sure it's more difficult to control, but it's still as strong as ! I'm glad to see that the Retro actually requires skill.

In the videos where people show the multiplayer characters, the theron guard has no helmet for his preview. Does he have no helmet in multiplayer as well?

Originally Posted by thrustbucket Oh great. We are going to have entire teams of cole, aren't we....

Or Marcus... or Anya... don't forget Dom, Baird and the Carmines. Lots of characters have at least 1 - 3 variants. Not a big deal.

Dom: Of course not. Anyone who says different should be smacked on sight. I'm tempted to track down an early copy and kiss my VG unlocks goodbye. It's not like I'm going to use any of those gold weapons THAT much anyway. I just want my Gears.

Originally Posted by Ink.So.Well. Or Marcus... or Anya... don't forget Dom, Baird and the Carmines. Lots of characters have at least 1 - 3 variants. Not a big deal. Dom:

Well, if the other gears are anything to go by, Cole will be the most common.

Originally Posted by Ink.So.Well. Or Marcus... or Anya... don't forget Dom, Baird and the Carmines. Lots of characters have at least 1 - 3 variants. Not a big deal. Dom: Of course not. Anyone who says different should be smacked on sight. I'm tempted to track down an early copy and kiss my VG unlocks goodbye. It's not like I'm going to use any of those gold weapons THAT much anyway. I just want my Gears.

I think we're gonna see a lot of anya's/sam's. I'm going to be maining anya until hoffman.

Originally Posted by Ink.So.Well. Since this is apparently a hot button topic on the official forums I might as well migrate it here to the thread moving: What's your stance on kill stealing in Gears?

There's kill stealing and then there's finishing off downs.

If I down someone from across the map and my team mate is closer I don't mind them getting the kill cuz it will hopefully help us win and if there are a lot of enemies around I'm not going to run out in the open for that down. I usually call out my own downs that I'm not going after or I can't finish so that someone else can take it.

On the other hand if you're fighting with someone, for example in a shotgun battle or whatever and you down him, lets go as far as to even say this was the last enemy, then a team mate comes out of no where and takes the kill.

That's the in lame bullshit that people do out of desperation usually because they are bad.


EDIT: That Savage Drone looks pretty rad, I'm liking the way Overpass looks too.

In the beta, people would steal kills to unlock the gold Retro in the retail release. Now people will steal kills for the Onyx weapon skins.

Originally Posted by Ink.So.Well. Since this is apparently a hot button topic on the official forums I might as well migrate it here to the thread moving: What's your stance on kill stealing in Gears?

I hate it in Gears as much almost as much as I hated getting last stand kills stolen in COD. It should only be done if the game is super close and you just need people dead and gone or you're in a jam and you're outnumbered.

Originally Posted by popular penguin Man, that guy makes the Retro look AMAZING. Sure it's more difficult to control, but it's still as strong as ! I'm glad to see that the Retro actually requires skill.

Remember that he's playing a bunch of retarded bots.

Out of the maps I've seen thus far I know my personal favorites will be Overpass, Hotel, Mercy, the new Thrashball (if people don't camp with rifles on the new pathways to the concession stands), Old Town and Checkout. Trenches is too plain and campy for me. Sandbar and Drydock remind me of CoD too much though I'm sure the latter will grow on me. And Gridlock though a decent map failed to impress me in the last two games. I'm sick of playing on it.

Opinions?

I'm sure the Retro wont be as bad as people are making it out to be since the beta, but I don't know if these vids are a good way to gauge it's effectiveness when he's playing against all bots.

I mean I guess it works great against bots but human players play differently and move differently.

Personally, I can't really tell if I'll like a map or not just by seeing videos, I have to experience it a few times before I can give an opinion. However, from the beta maps I liked all of them except Checkout. Can't really explain it, but I hated that map. Thrashball was one of my favorites, although a team could seal itself in the concession stands and it'd be hard to get them out once they're in, especially if you're playing with a bunch of scrubs. Old town was good, pretty well balanced. Trenches was ok, nothing too bad about it, but nothing all that amazing either.

It's good enough for me when the average player isn't much better than a bot in Gears. Just more aggressive. The damage, spread and recoil whilst ADS hasn't changed. Because of that I don't have to waste time weighting out new pros and cons so I'm all set. It's the maps and learning how to detach myself from lost causes so I can remain positive in bad games that I'm worried about. I've just started developing the latter mindset in DS2 mp and my stats have skyrocketed since then.

Ill be sadly disappointed once again if Epic makes the beta unlocks available for everyone. I mean they said the ONLY way to get those were via the beta. Then again there are probably more people that didnt get those beta unlocks compared to those who did, so which side would epic want to piss off the least... probably the bigger group of those who didnt play the beta.

Kill stealing.... generally i will back off if a teammate downs someone, or i will hump/twirl smokes/shoot pistol in air at the enemy till the guy who downed him comes and finishes him off. The only time id steal kills really in Gears 2 was to finish the leader off in Guardian if i thought there was a chance for them to be revived. What i hate is in the heat of the moment battles where you accidentally steal a kill when it wasnt your intention, and it happened so fast you couldnt stop it, yet some dude will yell over xbox how i stole his kill and tried to do it on purpose.

I worry about the update to Thrashball arena map. In a video i seen they made new paths that go left and right of the oringinal spawn tunnel. Well the ones that go towards the consession stand/stairs, they actually raise up so mid way through the tunnel you can shoot over the barrier. This just gives another vantage point for people to shoot those in the middle of the field really easy. I swear it doesnt matter where you take cover on the field there will be someone that has an angle on you to shoot you.

For those claiming KMart is doing a MSRP Gears 3 + $20 gaming card + 50% off a year of Live + Gears Triple Pack deal, I cannot find any evidence that the Triple Pack is involved in the deal at all. Can anyone find evidence of that? Best I could find was http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forums/...d.php?t=295648 which says you get a $20 gaming card and half off Live with purchase...