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Originally Posted by nbballard I'm sure my wife is tired of me complaining about this topic to her, so i'm happy to have another outlet to vent! I've got a 61in Samsung DLP that was purchased about 2 years ago primarily for 3D gaming. The set is lovely. Unfortunately, since my purchase the technology the system uses has been retroactively been downgraded from "3D ready" to some other term I can't remember that's the 3D equivelant of "Cheese Product". Basically, I can display some 3D images if I hook up a PC to my TV, but it's not compatible with anything else. The emmiter and the glasses are no longer sold by Samsung. Supposedly I can buy the mitsubishi adaptor for it, and then it will work with the current technology, but I haven't seen anything that verifies that this actually works- so i don't want to invest. It's only 120hz- so it may look like crap. So now I'm kind of stuff. I can't exactly trick my wife into letting me buy a new set at these prices and what would I do with the old one? I can't exactly move it into one of the other rooms in the house like I used to do with my replaced tvs, and I surely couldn't get any money selling it on craigslist.

I have the Samsung 61a750 (I think that is what you have too, since you said 2 years) and there are potentially a couple alternatives.

For 3D blu ray movies (if you care about them), the Panasonic DMP-BDT300 or 350 output in checkerboard and are immediately compatible with your set. Like buy today, works today. It also has a 2nd HDMI out so you can still get HD audio to a v1.3 AVR (which the PS3 can't do if it's connected straight to a TV).

You don't need Samsung glasses, you can get Xpand x102's ($129) and they work right out of the box, no set up required really. They use no emitter. http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/X102-home/

As far as TV and Gaming go, the Mitsubishi adapter may work. If it does work, it will only work with a Gefen HDMI Detective who has a Mitsubishi EDID programmed into it. There are people over at the AVS forums who are going to try this and see if it will work. I can keep you posted if you want, so that you don't have to waste your money investing and potentially having it not work.

If you do have the 61a750, even if you can't do 3D it still is an amazing TV with a really great picture. You could just use it for a number of years and wait for the tech to improve and come down in cost.

Originally Posted by pjb16 I have the Samsung 61a750 (I think that is what you have too, since you said 2 years) and there are potentially a couple alternatives. For 3D blu ray movies (if you care about them), the Panasonic DMP-BDT300 or 350 output in checkerboard and are immediately compatible with your set. Like buy today, works today. It also has a 2nd HDMI out so you can still get HD audio to a v1.3 AVR (which the PS3 can't do if it's connected straight to a TV). You don't need Samsung glasses, you can get Xpand x102's ($129) and they work right out of the box, no set up required really. They use no emitter. http://www.xpandcinema.com/products/glasses/X102-home/ As far as TV and Gaming go, the Mitsubishi adapter may work. If it does work, it will only work with a Gefen HDMI Detective who has a Mitsubishi EDID programmed into it. There are people over at the AVS forums who are going to try this and see if it will work. I can keep you posted if you want, so that you don't have to waste your money investing and potentially having it not work. If you do have the 61a750, even if you can't do 3D it still is an amazing TV with a really great picture. You could just use it for a number of years and wait for the tech to improve and come down in cost.

Yep- that's me. I love the set. Haven't had any problems with it, and the quality is great. Do they even have a release date for the mitsu adapter?

Mitsubishi DLP's kick ass. I bought one 3 or so years ago when they were a high end item. In any case, I will warn you a few things about DLP's.... A side for the lack of 3d on my TV it does have latest DLP reflective chip so picture quality should be roughly the same.

1. You need to buy a new bulb every year or two. They do last longer than that, but if you want the best picture possible you should change it before it burns out. Bulbs are only 100 bucks or so. I will say once you pop in a new bulb it's like you have a brand new TV.

2. Sometimes the color wheel goes bad which is a big ticket repair...but this is rare.

3. DLP's make a minor fan noise when running...It's a lot quieter than a PS3 (even the slim) but it's noticeable if you're listening to the TV really low (which is rare).

4. Black levels on DLP's are just ed up. Theirs nothing you can do about that. If you're playing a dark game like dead space the blacks are just too black and you can't see jack (even if the game is set to it's brightest settings). Now you will ask why don't you just higher the TV's bright settings...well this just washes out the picture with white. It makes the image look washed out and it doesn't let you see anything that was too dark to begin with. I will also say black levels are fine if you have a brand new bulb in...but after a few months of TV watching that sucker gets dark again for gaming.

5. What DLP's lack in terms of funky black levels for gaming (mostly this gen) they make up for in their excellent Blueray playback. Seriously Avatar just looks amazing on my TV...better than any LCD or Plasma in the 65 inch size range.

6. DLP's have excellent Power wattage to screen size ratios and the best price per inch of TV on the market. From what I've seen they're actually the most Greenest TV's to own if you own a big screen.

This last bit is my opinion...but I personally love my DLP just not for gaming. For general HDTV watching it's just amazing but for gaming it's just too dark. If I were to buy a TV for gaming or 3D gaming then I'd buy LCD. However LCDs with 3D are down right expensive now and 3D effects look kind of weak sauce on anything smaller than 50 inches. Thats kind of why I still like DLPs.

Originally Posted by Sk Mitsubishi DLP's kick ass. I bought one 3 or so years ago when they were a high end item. In any case, I will warn you a few things about DLP's.... A side for the lack of 3d on my TV it does have latest DLP reflective chip so picture quality should be roughly the same. 1. You need to buy a new bulb every year or two. They do last longer than that, but if you want the best picture possible you should change it before it burns out. Bulbs are only 100 bucks or so. I will say once you pop in a new bulb it's like you have a brand new TV. 2. Sometimes the color wheel goes bad which is a big ticket repair...but this is rare. 3. DLP's make a minor fan noise when running...It's a lot quieter than a PS3 (even the slim) but it's noticeable if you're listening to the TV really low (which is rare). 4. Black levels on DLP's are just ed up. Theirs nothing you can do about that. If you're playing a dark game like dead space the blacks are just too black and you can't see jack (even if the game is set to it's brightest settings). Now you will ask why don't you just higher the TV's bright settings...well this just washes out the picture with white. It makes the image look washed out and it doesn't let you see anything that was too dark to begin with. I will also say black levels are fine if you have a brand new bulb in...but after a few months of TV watching that sucker gets dark again for gaming. 5. What DLP's lack in terms of funky black levels for gaming (mostly this gen) they make up for in their excellent Blueray playback. Seriously Avatar just looks amazing on my TV...better than any LCD or Plasma in the 65 inch size range. 6. DLP's have excellent Power wattage to screen size ratios and the best price per inch of TV on the market. From what I've seen they're actually the most Greenest TV's to own if you own a big screen. This last bit is my opinion...but I personally love my DLP just not for gaming. For general HDTV watching it's just amazing but for gaming it's just too dark. If I were to buy a TV for gaming or 3D gaming then I'd buy LCD. However LCDs with 3D are down right expensive now and 3D effects look kind of weak sauce on anything smaller than 50 inches. Thats kind of why I still like DLPs.

1. Not all DLPs use a bulb, the LaserVue from Mitsubishi and the 750 line from Samsung (2008 model) didn't.

2. If you get a new set, Texas Tape Works offers 3 year extended warranties for like $150 or so. I think their warranty takes effect after the Manufacturer warranty ends too. But that could help put your mind at ease about bigger ticket repairs. But yes, the color wheel can be expensive to replace should you need to (it's not common as you noted).

3. Yes, I agree. It's very minor noise IMO but it is not silent.

4. I don't have any problem with black levels (granted I try and calibrate my set), and really DLPs are only behind Plasmas as far as black levels go. Also I've not used my Mits for very long (2 months or so) so it may indeed get worse over time, but as of now I have no issues. The Samsung 61a750 doesn't use a bulb and has simply an amazing picture all around (IMO).

5. Agree. Movies are stunning.

6. Yes. People are often surprised at how light they are given the size as well.

I personally love my DLP's all around, however if I could get a Plasma for a similar price at the same size I would get that. Plasma display's are all I would trade a DLP for (actually I'd probably pick a LaserVue over a plasma, but not at the current cost ). Also, DLPs in the store will not likely look anywhere near what they do in your home. People often complain about the PQ in the store, but it's significantly better in your house.

So has anyone actually played a game in 3D and if so, what were your impressions?

Originally Posted by madbst So has anyone actually played a game in 3D and if so, what were your impressions?

I've only played Avatar and Invincible Tiger, but I though Avatar looked really great.

Anyone see that stereoscopic 3DS video on Kotaku today? It worked really well, I wish someone would release some official ones.

Wait, so will the black level on a current gen, 3D ready DLP tv, be better or worse than a local dimming LED?

Dead Space was mentioned and I didnt have any trouble with that on a four year old LCD. Albeit I had to turn the brightness up a bit, but the contrast level was sufficient to allow me to make out details in the picture.

I am buying a new TV in two months regardless and I was planning on going with a sub-50" LED, but then I saw the Sony E3 presentation and I am starting to think 3D or at least 3D ready. Im hoping to spend around $1000, initially, but wouldnt mind paying the extra $300 or so in a year or two to take advantage of the 3D capabilities. Is there any such thing as a 3D ready LCD/LED/Plasma, where I can add a converter, or what have you, in the future?

Originally Posted by TctclMvPhase Wait, so will the black level on a current gen, 3D ready DLP tv, be better or worse than a local dimming LED? Dead Space was mentioned and I didnt have any trouble with that on a four year old LCD. Albeit I had to turn the brightness up a bit, but the contrast level was sufficient to allow me to make out details in the picture. I am buying a new TV in two months regardless and I was planning on going with a sub-50" LED, but then I saw the Sony E3 presentation and I am starting to think 3D or at least 3D ready. Im hoping to spend around $1000, initially, but wouldnt mind paying the extra $300 or so in a year or two to take advantage of the 3D capabilities. Is there any such thing as a 3D ready LCD/LED/Plasma, where I can add a converter, or what have you, in the future?

Samsung had some 3D ready sets that weren't DLPs, but I'm not sure if anyone else did. You could try google or the AVSforums. And mean it really seems like only Mitsubishi is supporting their "3D" tvs that were released prior to this year with any sort of adapter/converter.

And I think that the black levels on a DLP should be better than an LED tv, but that once again may be a question better posed over at AVS.

I played Dead Space both on PS3 (demo) and on PC (full game) on my Mits. DLP, and had zero issues. Dark and scary, but not impossible to see. Now, I played with all the lights out, so that may help, but I've never noticed any isseus with dark levels and I've had mine for 1.5 years. (granted, some of the areas in Fallout 3 were hella hard to see in, but they were like that on my buddies LCD too, so I think it's intentional poor lighting, not poor black levels)

Originally Posted by Thongsy All this 3D stuff is confusing, it's like 2001 all over again with 480p, 720p and 1080i and what is HD and what the p vs i meant.

I just got into the 'HD era' with an LCD computer monitor and now they're pushing towards 3-D tvs?

Hopefully they'll make some nice smaller sized 3-D monitors in about 4-5 years in the $150-180 range like I paid. Otherwise, I'll stick to non 3-D.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer I just got into the 'HD era' with an LCD computer monitor and now they're pushing towards 3-D tvs? Hopefully they'll make some nice smaller sized 3-D monitors in about 4-5 years in the $150-180 range like I paid. Otherwise, I'll stick to non 3-D.

From my understanding sony and lot of 3D TV makers are really pushing 3D hard not only for sales now but to make 3D an option on all new TV's. The hope is to eventually charge consumers a 10% price increase on 3D TV models over 2D sets. The reality is that 3D doesn't complicate manufacturing much and it's only a small increasing in the cost of building a TV (that means their will be big profit margins on selling 3D sets).

Right now they're pricey because for the most part 3D tvs in LCDs and Plasmas are brand and only available on nice midrange to high end sets. Nearly all DLPs are 3D or 3D ready and they're priced pretty low since 3D or 3D ready DLPs have been the norm for about 2-3 years (even though their was little to no 3D content for them).

I read a CES article released around a year or two ago by sony saying so much. Ultimately manufactures want 3D to be a normal selling feature on a HD panel. So I'd say it's safe to say in a 3-5 years you can get 3D or 3D ready TVs or panels on the low.

When they can sell a 3D monitor (around 22-24") for 199 I'll get one. The impressions from Sony's 3D games (particularly Killzone 3) at E3 were pretty much unanimous that it was amazing, but also stated how it already felt dated compared to Nintendo's 3DS

Stopped by BestBuy yesterday and they had no less than 5 3D tvs going. I tested out a panasonic. It looked really good. Unfortunately, it was running a demo reel, so i'm sure the 3D effect was cranked all up.

I left shortly before the world cup match started-- he was going to be showing it live on one of the Samsungs on the floor. Would have been interesting, but didn't have the time.

Watched a Motor Storm Pacific Rift demo at a Sony centre along with some other random 3D things, not really that impressed, the shades make the colours less bright and the 3D isn't really that impressive.

I am looking at going 3D. Are there any LCD/LED monitors out right now that would support 3D PS3 gaming? I found the Acer GD235HZ, but I cant tell if it will support the PS3.

Originally Posted by TheHapaOne I hope you realize that the difference between 1080p and 1080i is pretty much negligible unless you have a tv that is 70 inches

Yea seriously... was is Chup going on about? Throw on some tinted glasses and show some crazy moving 3D images and it wont matter one bit. And does Progressive and Interlaced even matter when it's in 3D? It's all about showing different lines of pixels at different times.

Isn't 3D just a bunch of hype, haven't we been experiencing 3D since gaming moved from 2D Games
I think its just one more way corporations are getting people to consume more.. like lemmings people buy just to have what someone says is 'better'

Just bring a game that works and looks pretty second, who cares how detailed the Pig looks it's still a Pig

Originally Posted by TctclMvPhase I am looking at going 3D. Are there any LCD/LED monitors out right now that would support 3D PS3 gaming? I found the Acer GD235HZ, but I cant tell if it will support the PS3.

I'd also be interested in knowing what smaller computer monitors support PS3 3d as well as NVIDIA's solution (Alienware Optx, Asus etc.). I've read mixed things about 3d only over DVI vs. 1.4 hdmi on them... would be nice to find someone who has set something up and could give us some feedback.

I have a 3D TV - Samsun LED 55" and the 3D aspect is pretty good for games. I tried the demo for Motorstorm and the depth was handled pretty good. Super Stardust HD in 3D was cool also. MLB The Show was average at best. The Pitcher/Batter interface was cool, but the fielding was not great.