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Originally Posted by MisterSmi13y What does T-Dawg even do?

He grabs the shotgun

Originally Posted by TheRock88 He grabs the shotgun

...and the package

Originally Posted by lokizz he keeps the show from seeming racist ? that way they can say hey weve got an asian and a black guy and were killing off plenty of white people so dont call us racist later. this show needs captain rhodes.

I also think I read somewhere that the writers and producers simply just like the actor who plays T-Dog, and that's kind of been the reason he's made it this far in the show. If so, good for him - people skills really will get you everywhere in this life. Even through the zombie apocalypse.

I could have sworn Daryl did say something about his gun missing.

The Governor is going to be the show's Rhodes.

Daryl probably didn't notice the gun missing because it's likely Merle's. And he keeps Merle's stuff in his saddlebag more for a sentimental purpose, like he's hoping they'll find him again and is just safeguarding his stuff. He wouldn't notice it missing. I'm pretty sure even the bike is Merle's.

Originally Posted by Feeding the Abscess I could have sworn Daryl did say something about his gun missing.

He did. T-Dog gave him Dale's gun and he said something like "I wish I knew where the hell mine went."


Just watched the episode and thought it was a great one. One of the best in the series so far.

heres an interesting question since a number of us dont seem to like the people cast in certain roles id be curious to know if you could recast said main roles who would you have picked?

The next ep looks like total carnage. Like one big hourlong zombie fight. Can't wait. Also glad Game Of Thrones is back a few weeks after. There's just so little I care to watch on TV anymore.

Originally Posted by slidecage what was up with the log pile before that person got attacked by the zombie ... camera like pans to that log pile like the zombie is hiding behind it or something

That wasn't a log pile it was a tree. And Shane looked around, stepped behind the tree out of camera view and snapped Randall's neck. Clearly not a zombie attack. Did you not see that Shane was "the person who got attacked by the zombie" in your scene description?

Originally Posted by lokizz you sure ? it didnt look anything like him guess ill have to watch that again.

Originally Posted by crunchb3rry It really didn't look like him to me either. But it was the clothes. It was like his clothes got zombified too, lol. They got all washed out like 80s jeans when they were darker before...

Very sure it was him. I thought it was obvious. They were clearly at his death scene after Darryl tracked Shane's true path. He looked a little different because of the darkness of the scene and the blue tint the flashlight had "washed him out" some. The whole point of them figuring out how he died was because of who he was. They discuss his death in the talking dead, maybe some of you should be watching that show too in order to get the full benefit of the show.

Originally Posted by slidecage what i dont care for is you really have no idea how much time has past between each show.. Something tells me the are going to make a stand in the basement since they said they are going to be moving food and water down into the basement to last a few days in case something happens .. ALSO whos gun did that kid take..

I agree with the point on the passage of time, they reference it occasionally, but at this point it's an estimate like crunchberry points out. I doubt the basement thing as (MINOR SPOILER ABOUT WHEN THEY MAY OR MAY NOT LEAVE THE FARM) I'm pretty sure showrunners have said they leave the farm at the end of the season although maybe some make a last stand there. As for the gun:

Originally Posted by lokizz he took daryls gun ( hillbilly with a crossbow fetish) and yeah it kind of annoyed me too that of all people he wouldnt notice a gun missing especially if its his.

When they head off after Randall, TDog gives Darryl a revolver to which Darryl replies, "Dale's gun? Wish I could find mine." Subtle and not some hissyfit questioning everybody, but effective for those paying attention.

Originally Posted by renique46 Well that didnt take long LOL i knew other people were thinking the same thing

Awesome video. I was thinking the exact same thing when I watched this scene.

Originally Posted by dmlopr The swamp around the farm is drying out. Any zombie that can smell the fresh meat of all the steer that got loose. Like a giant dinner bell at a free buffet.

That's the explanation for the herd getting in I guess, which was the part that bugged me. I guess the herd just moved in that day or during the night AFTER Dale died through the drying swampland or through a broken fence or both and before they patched up the fence. How they got there could definitely be better explained.

Originally Posted by crunchb3rry Reading what dmlopr just said: yeah, they sorta covered their bases if you think about it. Maybe that's what the "magic barrier" was: a perimeter of swampland the zombies couldn't travel through on the forested side of the property, and the formerly intact fence on the open side that Hershel's own cows were breaking through at various points. Seems like most of the time they encounterd a zombie in the woods, it was on the other side of water/mud.

Glad to see you're finally onboard with the fence/swamp keeping them out.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Yeah, I gotta say, if you're going to bitch and whine about the "plot holes", at least ing pay attention. I'm tired of hearing about "convenient herds", "magical fences, and "gunshot zombie calls". Whether or not you deem it "plausible", the show has plainly stated or shown that: A) Zombies do roam in herds. As road3283 mentioned, the first episode from this season shows that. If you don't accept it as "realistic", then explain to us how zombies "realistically" roam. B) Fences have been mentioned/shown SEVERAL times this season. Last week's episode even had specific dialogue with Herschel stating "A dozen steer broke through the fence...been wrangling the runaways all morning." Before Dale is killed, he comes upon one of the steer. Gee...I wonder if the walker got in the same way the steer got out? Amazing! But yeah, don't let an explanation get in the way of your pissing and moaning. C) In this very episode, Herschel and Maggie talk about the swamp hardening, the creek drying up, and having 50 head of cattle on the farm being like ringing a dinner bell for the zombies. This is even shown in the previous episode with the walker that Carl stumbles upon that is momentarily stuck in the mud. When those barriers are gone, the farm becomes much more vulnerable. Acknowledge them or not, these are explanations that have been given for the things that are happening. The plot is by no means perfect. But anybody who doesn't have the attention span to pick up on these factors has no right to bitch about anything. That's like a person complaining that the judicial system is "stupid" because they aren't educated enough to understand how it works. You're just making yourself look ignorant.

Amen, brother. I think a lot of people are facebooking or pron surfing while watching and they're missing the little details.

Originally Posted by renique46 I don't think anyone has a problem with the magical zombie fence at least i know i don't. What i don't understand however is they make it always known to us that gunshots attract walkers yet they kill dale, nada happens, carl shoots shane = shit hits the fan!...

I said it once already, but I'll say it again: I guess the herd just moved in that day or during the night AFTER Dale died through the drying swampland or through a broken fence or both and before they patched up the fence. How they got there could definitely be better explained. I guess we should realize they just got there because Darryl, Shane, Sophie's mom, just about everyone has wandered through the forest and not encountered a herd of zombies so they must have just gotten there. Not a real stretch, but maybe they should have shown something of it.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg Glen and Daryl so you track down a guy who is severely injured and may have a gun...you are carrying a long range crossbow yet you hide behind a tree until the thing jumps on Glen before doing anything. Waaaa? Then I couldnt help but laugh when Daryl announced that, "he died of a broken neck" Redneck medical school. Which leads me to this....these zombies are taking the perk dead silence too the extreme. (see what I did there?) They are shuffling through the woods....yet they keep sneaking up on people like psycho mantis. Zombie folklore as taught me zombies in numbers with small spaces is the thing that is scary, not lone zombies in the middle of wide open fields. But I guess if they magically appear behind you with no sound that would be scary. So this fence thing.....ok...fine they have a fence that keep out zombies for infinity, I can only imagine the dying breath of a solider at the government compound in the first season...."maybe....maybe we should have closed the fence." There would be a lot more humans around if a wooden fence is all you need to keep them at bay. Carl just appearing out of field is embarrassing, added with the fact that a 10 year old who just the night before couldnt figure out how to kill a walker stuck in mud is now Captain Price and can curve a bullet around his father like that kid for WANTED. Lastly, I dont know why this show loves anticlimactic scenes. So you build up Shane and Rick this entire time just to judo stab him within 5 seconds? Lame. Lame. Lame. I am looking forward to next weeks episode as it seems like shit is final hitting the fan and things are going to happen. Time to actually see the survival section of this post world story.

Darryl should have switched to his knife instead of trying to shoot Zombrandall at close range. Bad writing, but maybe not because it seems they didn't realize he was a zombie in the darkness when they ducked out of sight so as not to get shot by the gun you mentioned and they wouldn't expect a person with a gun to run up on them. Second, it would be pretty easy to tell it was a broken neck, no medical school required. Totally agree about the silence of the zombies and a lone zombie in a field isn't the point of zombies. Back to fences, right off Hershel's perimeter fences are NOT wooden and are about five feet high with two strands of barbed wire running across the top. Second, have you noticed in a lot of zombie movies there is a fence keeping them out at some point in time until one of the humans does something stupid (this is usually the problem)which lets them in or the zombies stumble upon a weak spot and breach it? On to Carl, who had wandered off a billion times the last two episodes. He's a pain in the ass kid who sneaks out routinely and is too curious for his own good, he has binoculars and could easily still see them from the house or he could have been wandering about and heard the shot. But I do agree about the masterful killshot, I mean wow, that's some first shot.

Originally Posted by lokizz i kinda dont like the zombie fence especially if that fence they were pulling on during the beginning of the show is the fence in question. that shit is short and youd assume any number of zombies could easily stumble over it but that said if the fence is far enough away from the main house a zombie may just walk on by and not pay it any mind. but the cows and the shooting id assume there be plenty attracted to it since in the comics didnt they say a gunshot could be heard for a mile or so?

How close did you look at that fence? Shane was tugging just below the top at his own shoulder level making the fence about five foot tall. It is kept tight when maintained and it has two rows of barbed wire on top. Honestly, most small farmers couldn't afford fencing that good for such long stretches. THAT should be a plothole to bitch about. Maybe Herschel was growing weed in his backwoods areas to afford the fence, which by the way would do a great job keeping out shuffling, stumbling zombies unless they were about ten feet tall and then they could "stumble" over it. Now I'm sure a mass of zombies could push it down if they were after something and piled on, but that hasn't happened. Like you suggested these fences are far away from the house, although not livestock and now that the swampy areas are drying out more zombies could be coming in see or hear the livestock and attack. Herschel should have moved livestock into an inner area away from the outer fences. Truth be told like any farm, Herschel's has a series of fenced in areas for moving livestock and the like and most would give zombies trouble unless provoked. Also, as for the gunshot question, it depends on the caliber and type of gun (rifle or pistol) as far as how far away a gunshot could be heard. A powerful rifle shot can be heard for a couple miles in a field especially one with mountains around it to reflect the sound. Believe it or not the woods will actually help dampen the sound some and so it wouldn't travel as far, but not a monumental difference. Keep in mind Herschel has miles of farmland so if all zombies were kept out by the "magical" five foot barbed wire topped fences then you could target practice all you want and not worry about attracting zombies. Even then it's not like they know exactly where the shot came from and how to traverse the landscape (fences, creeks, etc) in the exact right path to eat the shooter.

Begin watching this episode
See Office Space homage
Decide to watch Office Space instead

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 He did. T-Dog gave him Dale's gun and he said something like "I wish I knew where the hell mine went." Just watched the episode and thought it was a great one. One of the best in the series so far.

Really? I thought the last episode was pretty weak. Can't wait for the next one though.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Just watched the episode and thought it was a great one. One of the best in the series so far.

I really like this episode as well. For the most part it kept things moving at an appropriate pace.

Originally Posted by crunchb3rry The next ep looks like total carnage. Like one big hourlong zombie fight. Can't wait. Also glad Game Of Thrones is back a few weeks after. There's just so little I care to watch on TV anymore.

Yeah, this last episode of the season should really blow off some steam. Kirkman seems to think it will be a bunch of wild chaos. He also says that what Jenner whispered to Rick will be revealed and there will be changes.

Originally Posted by Strell Begin watching this episode See Office Space homage Decide to watch Office Space instead

It's really an unfair comparison, I mean it's OFFICE SPACE! Where's my stapler?

Talking about the hanging walker earlier as proof of becoming a zombie without a bite, didn't he leave a note he had been bitten? Then some walkers ate up his legs before he changed. Or was that the guy in the tent who had blown his brains out? I thought walkers were only attracted to live wriggling meat? Anyways...

The CDC guy probably just told him they were all infected from the start. Which might explain why he said all he said to Carl, or that Shane was right and he didn't really go all out protecting them all, because he knows they're all ed anyway.

Originally Posted by jdawgg76 Yeah, this last episode of the season should really blow off some steam. Kirkman seems to think it will be a bunch of wild chaos. He also says that what Jenner whispered to Rick will be revealed and there will be changes.

Flashback to Jenner, whispering in Rick's ear: Lori is pregnant with zombaby twins. You gonna take that shit?

Originally Posted by crunchb3rry The CDC guy probably just told him they were all infected from the start. Which might explain why he said all he said to Carl, or that Shane was right and he didn't really go all out protecting them all, because he knows they're all ed anyway.

Most likely, but. . .

Originally Posted by BigSpoonyBard Flashback to Jenner, whispering in Rick's ear: Lori is pregnant with zombaby twins. You gonna take that shit?

This is very possible

Hmm interesting i wonder if people will get excited

don't click further if you don't want to be spoiled Supposedly Andrea might bite the dust until she gets saved by Michonne with samurai swords

I wonder why they killed off 2 people now instead of the next episode? Does that mean everyone survives the next episode? They are down to only a few people who dont suck so I wonder who going to get it.

I think the showrunners wanted the deaths of Dale and Shane to have more meaning and impact. The symbolism and themes they strove for would really be lost in the chaos of a mass zombie attack.

The way I see it, there's no way a mass zombie attack would leave no deaths. Rick, Carl, Andrea, Darryl and Glenn are probably the safest. I could see Lori dying to push Carl down the dark side, but it probably won't happen here. Besides Herschel and Glenn's chick, the farm people are probably zombie fodder, although maybe beth could survive to commit suicide or she'll do something dumb and get herself and maybe others eaten. I can see Herschel "going down with the ship" like a non-italian sea captain. Problem is it's too easy from a writer's standpoint to kill off all lesser characters like the mostly unseen farm people or characters who no longer "serve a purpose" like Herschel or Sophia's mom, plus you always need some lesser characters. They're filler or red shirts when needed. T-dog could go either way. He'll probably finally get to do something heroic. . . by sacrificing himself. Problem with TDog is he can handle himself, but he's not good enough to go out where the action is which means he's always gotten "watch the house duty" with Andrea. I definitely think the (human) herd will get thinned (by the zombie herd) in anticipation of introducing new characters in the third season. Hopefully, Merle and the guy with his son will return (played by the actor from Jericho) as I got hyped when I saw those actors in the very first episode.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg I wonder why they killed off 2 people now instead of the next episode? Does that mean everyone survives the next episode? They are down to only a few people who dont suck so I wonder who going to get it.

Jimmy and Patricia LOL

herschels daughter will die or better yet she will just let them kill her, maybe the mom chick will die to. hopefully they will whittle them down to rick , glenn, maggie, carl and daryl and i guess andrea.