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I think you all are dead on about Namco and its lack of promotion. Enslaved and Maijin are both solid games that got little or no promotion. Both had demos that helped convince me to buy them, but even the demos got little or no promotion.

I'm not sure pre-released games will solve the problem, but it defintely can't hurt. I think Dead Rising Case Zero is a good start. Have a prequel that ties right in to the final game and gives you some sort of bonus.

I can't believe any of you didn't bitch about the price of the Mario All Star collection. Isn't that usually Wombat's role? 30 bucks for 4 games that are already available on the Virtual Console for a total of 20 bucks. Are bonus features really a bonus if you're paying for them? I presume you all let this go because it's on the Wii so you don't care.

Did you guys play the Iron Man table on Pinball FX? All Iron Man ever talks about is his stock and getting his drink on.

Oh, and Kratos is a much better fit in Mortal Kombat than he was in Hot Shots Golf. (Was he in Soul Calibur? I thought that the Tekken guy was the only Sony exclusive to that series.) Will this Mortal Kombat be on the Wii so we can get Link disembowling people?

Meager, Kratos was in the latest PSP version of Soul Calibur.

Just chipped in $10 for Child's Play. Cheapy, I find it interesting that you were more compelling in asking for money for Child's Play than you usually are when you're plugging business for CAG itself (maybe that's why I keep fogetting to use Amazon affiliate links when I buy games - sorry man!). Oh well, hope to hear you next week...

Originally Posted by ShockandAww Thanks Wombat for mentioning that there's going to be some good stuff coming up in 2011 for the PS3. Here is a list of exclusives for PS3 in 2011: Little Big Planet 2 Killzone 3 Infamous 2 The Last Guardian Motorstorm Apocalypse Twisted Metal Resistance 3 Oh yeah and some game called Uncharted 3. At least 3 of those exclusives could easily be competing for GOTY in 2011. Now here is a list of exclusives for Xbox in 2011: Gears 3 So yes SONY got "dominated" by soccer moms throughout the land this holiday season. Next year though it will be a different story. A story involving real gamers.

With the exception of Little Big Planet 2... not really impressed with what the old PS3 is going to offer in 2011. But, it's still a pretty good Blu-Ray player.

Originally Posted by shipwreck Meager, Kratos was in the latest PSP version of Soul Calibur.

Ooooh, that's right! I forgot my Sony Paperweight has the capacity to play games!

Great podcast, as usual. I love it when Wombat tries to sound so convincing when he's completely wrong (Dance Central attach rates, NPD vs. world-wide Kinect sales).

I really enjoyed the discussion on the marketing of new games. The real issue though is something that Wombat touched on. The budgets for many of these new IPs are just way too high. Concepts and execution are pushed aside in favor of graphics and graphics equals expense.

Fans of Enslaved or Majin don't seem to talk about the look of these games as much as the stories and game play. Reducing the graphics to an average level would give them enough margin to drop the price to the a point where they could build an audience. That audience is going to carry forward to the sequel which means it can be given a larger budget and everyone can talk about what a huge leap forward this already good game too. We've seen that model with the Assassin's Creed series and with Mass Effect. It does work.

geez you all can be ing morons sometimes.....well alot of the time. as far as xbox sales go what percent of those are people replacing consoles that have died on them? thats always been one of the major reasons i laugh at people gushing over xbox console sales they never factor in the new sales that are for current customers replacing dead consoles. and yeah some of the ps3 sales are too just not as many.

as far as wii sales go theres alot of ing retards out there. and yeah im sure people are now picking up consoles because of kinect and move but how many would be interesting to know.

Originally Posted by grognard66 Great podcast, as usual. I love it when Wombat tries to sound so convincing when he's completely wrong (Dance Central attach rates, NPD vs. world-wide Kinect sales).

My point still holds, as I doubt worldwide sales of an American music game topped 2million. So I am not completely wrong. Also, you smell.

About your guys' battlefield talk...

I think EA/DICE is doing a great job at keeping Bad Company 2 relevant. They release the new VIP map pack which was easily the best pack to date by giving us 2 brand new maps and 2 fan favorites from the 1st game. They do this to restimulate the interest of people that already own BFBC2, this way they are ready to shell out the dough for Vietnam when it comes out.

Now they attach Vietnam to the original BFBC2 to essentially sell more of the base game; which I am sure is obvious to a lot of you, by advertising for Vietnam and people will make the jump to BFBC2 to play it.

If you haven't played Battle Field Bad Company 2 there is not a better time to start things up than right now. The game is cheap on PC and consoles, you get a wealth of maps, and a new expansion is right around the corner! The expansion is very fairly priced in my opinion too.

I feel bad that Wombat can do a better Yogi Bear impression than Dan Aykroyd can.

Anyway, I feel that the reason a lot of games don't sell well are for marketing reasons. People like to point at Metacritic scores, but it's not like gamers are gonna buy every single game that gets a positive review.

Shipwreck was right about 2010 being the year the 360 had the better exclusives (or at least the better selling exclusives). That may have also been a factor of why the 360 sold more than the PS3.

Good show.

Originally Posted by lokizz geez you all can be ing morons sometimes.....well alot of the time. as far as xbox sales go what percent of those are people replacing consoles that have died on them? thats always been one of the major reasons i laugh at people gushing over xbox console sales they never factor in the new sales that are for current customers replacing dead consoles. and yeah some of the ps3 sales are too just not as many.

Where do consoles go when they die? Think about that and come back. I'm too tired to continue the discussion at the moment. I can tell you that the end result is that you're wrong.

Originally Posted by lokizz theres alot of ing retards out there

Tru dat.

Originally Posted by lokizz im sure people are now picking up consoles because of kinect and move but how many would be interesting to know.

Pachter released the console bundle numbers. ~700K Kinect Bundles and ~150K Sony Move Bundles.

RE: Kinect Sales - it seems like a lot of people are buying Kinects for non-gaming purposes. My office bought 3 to use for gesture presentation and projector-control stuff. I doubt we'll be buying Dance Central any time soon. I agree with Wombat that the software sales are not going to match the hardware sales.

RE: EA and online games - from a profit standpoint, what EA is doing makes sense. "Is there really room for an online Dead Space/Bioshock?" There probably isn't, but an online component gives incentive for consumers to buy early, before the online component dries up. A lot of single-player-only titles, like Vanquish and Enslaved, end up selling poorly out of the gate, because consumers know that it will be the same game a few months from now when it's selling for $40. An FPS, however, will change dramatically - either the multiplayer arena has become a ghost town, or the day-one purchasers have gained a significant advantage, based on their months of experience.

Resident Evil 5 is a good example: If you bought it at launch, you might have been able to take advantage of online multiplayer, but if you waited for the price to drop to $20, you entered a ghost town. In the end, you're forced to ask yourself "is the online component worth that $40?" and if the answer is "yes," then you'll pay the $60 up front.

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Originally Posted by lokizz geez you all can be ing morons sometimes.....well alot of the time. as far as xbox sales go what percent of those are people replacing consoles that have died on them? thats always been one of the major reasons i laugh at people gushing over xbox console sales they never factor in the new sales that are for current customers replacing dead consoles.

If that was such a big factor then then the 360 wouldn't have the best attach rate out of all the consoles. A high attach rate means people buying new 360s are buying games with them. If people were just replacing dead 360s, they would not be buying games with them, so you would see a low attach rate.

The moron here is you.

I agree with Cheapy and Wombat. Shippy, get going and buy the 360 versions so we can play together!

What was the name of that company that made the chocolate covered potato chips?

Wombat loves the phrase 'mindshare'.

Cheapy, did you have any of the Red Hot Better Made chips? Those chips, along with NES and Mt. Dew, helped to contribute to my mild childhood obesity.