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Originally Posted by bajingo WTF?! So if i get Lead and Gold for free with PSN +, when my subs over the game wont work? that makes this a definite no buy for me if this is the case.

It stops working once your sub runs out, but you can play it again once you've renewed.

Originally Posted by bajingo WTF?! So if i get Lead and Gold for free with PSN +, when my subs over the game wont work? that makes this a definite no buy for me if this is the case.

Yep, that's the way it works - which is why I suggested you get the 12+3 if you are going to do it at all. There's no point having 3 months worth and then losing the free games. You do still get to keep any free DLC/avatars/themes/etc and of course any discounted (but not free) games you buy. But the free PSN games/minis/PS1 stuff will stop working. That is sort of the point though - "free" stuff as long as you stay subbed.

If you think about it, though, it really wouldn't make sense for them to let you keep it forever if you just sign up for 3 months at $18 to snag all the free stuff. If it worked that way, you could spend just $18 to get all Sam & Max episodes (normally $35), Lead & Gold ($15), whatever minis and PS1 are currently offered, plus whatever they add to the list over the next 2+ months (at least 2 more PSN games). Really, for $50, gettting all that plus more stuff over the next 15 months is not a bad deal. You will probably be done playing most of what you want to by then. And if they keep coming up with great things to add near the end (that maybe you don't have time to play), you will want to renew anyway.

Originally Posted by io If you think about it, though, it really wouldn't make sense for them to let you keep everything forever if you just sign up for 3 months at $18 to snag all the free stuff. If it worked that way, you could spend just $18 to get all Sam & Max episodes (normally $35), Lead & Gold ($15), whatever minis and PS1 are currently offered, plus whatever they add to the list over the next 2+ months (at least 2 more PSN games)..

Exactly. A lot of people don't seem to get that point.

I'm not the type to play through digital games multiple times (w/ a few exceptions) so I don't mind at all that the games won't work after my 15 months are up. More than likely though I'll still re-subscribe just to get future games, be part of future betas, and give a little support to devs, etc... Another thing, 12 months from now, who knows if Lead and Gold will even have a lively MP community.

Originally Posted by bajingo WTF?! So if i get Lead and Gold for free with PSN +, when my subs over the game wont work? that makes this a definite no buy for me if this is the case.

I already got my $'s worth well over the $50, great discounts on stuff that I was gong to buy already, free avatars and themes, and maybe DLC? I still don't have a 100% answer on that, you don't even get the 'warning' like you would be getting like how it is with the games/beta/Qore, and free full access to PSN/PS1 games, ya you don't get to keep them (not like I'm going to stop renewing anyway) but with free full access to them on top of getting your money's worth from discounts/other crap, getting these free games and beating them is just a great bonus.

I read on a site that the PS One classic games still work even if your subscription runs out. It was kind of an old article though. Does anyone know if that's still true?

true true, i get why they do that, but for me personally that makes it a definite no. thanks for all the help.

Originally Posted by illmatic21 I read on a site that the PS One classic games still work even if your subscription runs out. It was kind of an old article though. Does anyone know if that's still true?

Read that on Joystiq's article about what happens after a sub ends but not sure if they fixed it yet. Really want to know too.

Originally Posted by bajingo are these like MS point/sub cards where they are on sale someplaces sometimes? seems more rigid. do you get charged tax when buying from the store? i want to get it since my XBL is good till 2013, how often to free games get given to members? thanks

Are you really going to play these games for over a year though? And, furthermore, you don't think that'd it'd be likely that you sign up again?

Originally Posted by gettinmoney662 Are you really going to play these games for over a year though? And, furthermore, you don't think that'd it'd be likely that you sign up again?

yes, and no.

-i like having them there so if i dont get to them soon i can always pick it back up months, or even years later. and im not going to pay for 2 game subscriptions every year. i completely understand the logic in them de-activating when your subs over, but it still sucks to be renting these games until you dont want to subscribe. good deal i think for those with ps3 only and more time on their hands than i. more power to those who want it.

Just got psn+ today....dl the sam and max

I picked up a twelve month subscription + 3 months. Those Target giftcards were burning a hole in my pocket. I'm dl'ing Lead and Gold and some others right now.

Originally Posted by illmatic21 I read on a site that the PS One classic games still work even if your subscription runs out. It was kind of an old article though. Does anyone know if that's still true?

I just checked my PS one games and it has an expiration on it.

The expiration date is the day your plus membership expires, I don't know what will happen since I have a little less than a year to go.

I'm still under the impression that if I make sure that my subscription never expires, I will always have the games available to me with no interruption. Am I wrong in thinking that?

I checked the Sam and Max games and they don't have an expiration date on my PS3. The expiration date is blank and there is no time limit. This maybe because I was affected by the error when trying to download them as I had previously downloaded the Episode 1 demo. Sony had to send me a code to allow me to download the 5 episodes.

I also see 2 other games that don't list an expiration date that I d/l for free through PS+. They don't show anything below the version # so I assume they still expire as, games that I have bought, list a blank for expiration date but I'm curious if anyone else sees the same things.

Critter Crunch
Wipeout HD

Originally Posted by mitch079 I checked the Sam and Max games and they don't have an expiration date on my PS3. The expiration date is blank and there is no time limit. This maybe because I was affected by the error when trying to download them as I had previously downloaded the Episode 1 demo. Sony had to send me a code to allow me to download the 5 episodes. I also see 2 other games that don't list an expiration date that I d/l for free through PS+. They don't show anything below the version # so I assume they still expire as, games that I have bought, list a blank for expiration date but I'm curious if anyone else sees the same things. Critter Crunch Wipeout HD

Mine doesn't have an expiration as well. But I checked services list under account managedment and its listed on there but no expiration date too which makes me think if we can play it after our subcription ends. We'll see though.

Its worth it for sam and max alone.

I think I remember something about Wipeout actually being a PS+ launch gift - so that may be permanent on purpose. As for Critter Crunch, I can't tell you about that because I actually did buy this game when it was on sale right before PS+ launched. That was one of the early string of "free" games from PS+ that I already owned (also Mushroom Wars and a couple others I can't remember right now). Like I said, though, it has been much better (for me) recently. I just played through part of Sam & Max Ep/ 3 tonight in fact.

PS+ is worth it if you want to get a bunch of games that you might be on the fence of downloading. I figure if its FREE download it cause you can always get it back from history. Makes good use of the larger hard drives on the PS3 Slim. I can only see PS+ getting better over time. I have been a member since Aug. and a good deal for what you get. I also like 15 months for the price of 12.

FWIW, Wipeout and Sam & Max Ep. 1 are the only free PSN games I got from PS+ that don't seem to have expiration dates. But like I said before, I bought Critter Crunch previously.