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Originally Posted by repete seems like there is going to be some sarah palin talk

Either some Sarah Palin talk or them pesky christians spreading rumors about how terrible jews need childrens blood for their rituals and traditions. I really, really, really despise how often people in the political realm misappropriate words.

I am curious, however, how 2011 is going wrong with PS3 exclusives... 2010, I can understand if you're just not into Mag and such, but 2011?

I can tell you what the PS3 is seriously lacking: RPG powerhouses from Squaresoft.

If you look back at the libraries of both the PS1 and PS2 they are overrun with Japanese RPGs and many of the best ones, some would even say the best ones ever made, are from Squaresoft.

Square and Enix are one entity now, they also own Eidos, and are able to call upon the wonderful studio that is Level-5 to produce superb products time and time again. Sony needs to be throwing cash at them, locking up exclusives, and marketing the living hell out of the titles.

ing seriously Sony = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...es#PlayStation

One spot where 2011 is already going horribly wrong for Sony is the whole cracked wide-open private signing keys made public because Sony failed to use a random number mess. If piracy becomes rampant for them then the hardware sales will seriously spike but the utter ease of the hack could cause software sales to plummet.

I adore my PS3 and some of the best gaming in my lifetime was done on the PS1 but Sony has this strange curse this gen where they step in shit at every single turn and it is heartbreaking and baffling to watch.

I don't consider myself an Xbox fanboy, I have a preference, but that is different than outward hate. I have alsways said that I like the PS3, even in this show I said that. If anything the point I was trying to make over the last two shows, is how little it really matters as the best games lately have been multiplatform.

Originally Posted by Wombat I don't consider myself an Xbox fanboy, I have a preference, but that is different than outward hate. I have alsways said that I like the PS3, even in this show I said that. If anything the point I was trying to make over the last two shows, is how little it really matters as the best games lately have been multiplatform.

Look at your shirt. It's GREEEEEEEEEEN! Case closed.

I'm a big fan of the show, but this is the first time I've been compelled to comment and disagree with some of your points:

Wombat: I'm not sure why you are complaining about the pre-order scheme for Dragon Age 2. I can understand being upset if you didn't know about it and missed out, but you did know about it and chose not to pre-order. It's actually a clever marketing scheme - the most devout fans of the DA franchise and Bioware (such as yourself) would probably know about it and pre-order accordingly. The novelty of the marketing scheme got people talking (in favor or against) and raised awareness. This is the kind of fanservice that is smart, not dumb.

Shipwreck: You are right to point to diminishing returns of sequels on the PS3 - that's a very valid point and innovation would certainly behoove them. But, trying to figure out what games will be a "system seller" seems pointless at this point in a console's lifespan. What new 360 exclusives do you think will attract new users? Their big exclusive this year is Gears of War 3 - which will sell great to people who bought a 360 already for Gears 1 or 2 and the like - but probably not move many new consoles. The reason MS has been moving so many consoles so well is A) their back catalog, B) Kinect (which is smartly marketed) and C) RRODs. What new Wii games will sell the Wii? the PSP? the DS? I really don't think that there is a single upcoming "core demographic" game that will create new users on any of these systems.

Other than being a little whinier than usual, it was a great show as always, but I just can't see where you are coming from on these points.

Love the CAGCast... look forward to it every week...

I just wanted to say I hope you don't change the year-end review show one bit. It's been my favorite show for the past few years, and I think the way you go console by console & genre by genre should stay. It's a riot that Cheapy hasn't picked a favorite Wii game, or even turn his Wii on, for at least three years now. the PS3 fanboys who get all pissy that their system isn't as good as the 360. And besides, it's your favorite games, not a definitive list of the best of "whatever" category.

Originally Posted by dsheinem I'm a big fan of the show, but this is the first time I've been compelled to comment and disagree with some of your points: Wombat: I'm not sure why you are complaining about the pre-order scheme for Dragon Age 2. I can understand being upset if you didn't know about it and missed out, but you did know about it and chose not to pre-order. It's actually a clever marketing scheme - the most devout fans of the DA franchise and Bioware (such as yourself) would probably know about it and pre-order accordingly. The novelty of the marketing scheme got people talking (in favor or against) and raised awareness. This is the kind of fanservice that is smart, not dumb. Shipwreck: You are right to point to diminishing returns of sequels on the PS3 - that's a very valid point and innovation would certainly behoove them. But, trying to figure out what games will be a "system seller" seems pointless at this point in a console's lifespan. What new 360 exclusives do you think will attract new users? Their big exclusive this year is Gears of War 3 - which will sell great to people who bought a 360 already for Gears 1 or 2 and the like - but probably not move many new consoles. The reason MS has been moving so many consoles so well is A) their back catalog, B) Kinect (which is smartly marketed) and C) RRODs. What new Wii games will sell the Wii? the PSP? the DS? I really don't think that there is a single "core demographic" game that will create new users on any of these systems. Other than being a little whinier than usual, it was a great show as always, but I just can't see where you are coming from on these points.

You should comment more often, I like your points. One thing I'd say to the "at this point in a console's lifespan" though is that there's a lot of life left in these consoles. I'd just like to see Sony do something rather than riding it out.

Originally Posted by Wombat I don't consider myself an Xbox fanboy, I have a preference, but that is different than outward hate. I have alsways said that I like the PS3, even in this show I said that. If anything the point I was trying to make over the last two shows, is how little it really matters as the best games lately have been multiplatform.

I agree with you there. One of the reasons I wanted an Xbox last gen was its Bioware exclusives(KOTOR, Jade Empire, that stuff) and now they develop most if not all of their games on PS3 as well now.Same goes for FF13 but vice versa, that wasn't that good tho.

I seriously believe that when it comes to commercial exclusives that Sony has been doing a better job. At least with originality this gen. Infamous, Uncharted, Resistance, are all really good IPs that were created this gen. Now rather or not these new franchises are being milked to death...maybe but still there new.

Cheapy, Shipwreck, Wombat:

The criticism of PSN integration is completely fair and quite accurate (though not all gamers care about those aspects of the console). Until Blue Ray Players became cheap, PS3 fanboys could criticize the lack of a Blue Ray player on the Xbox, though again, lots of people don't care. Personally, I hate all Microsoft products.

The real point is that while game reviewers and a few hard-core gamers may have both systems, your average gamer doesn't. I have a PS3, I play games on my iPhone, and recently I can play some games through Steam on my Apple computer. So, the only console experience that I know is the PS3. Your criticism of the PS3 is rooted in the fact that you own all the systems and have the luxury of choosing which to play. Most of us don't have that luxury, so swipes at the PS3 (particularly the off-the-cuff comments in the average podcast that aren't thoughtful and contextualized) just seem obnoxious.

I love your podcast, though, and I don't really care about your Xbox leanings. Obnoxious can be funny. If I want to hear PS3 cheerleading, I listen to the IGN Beyond podcast.

PS3 CAGS: friend me on PSN at "casparnic"

Originally Posted by dsheinem I'm a big fan of the show, but this is the first time I've been compelled to comment and disagree with some of your points: Wombat: I'm not sure why you are complaining about the pre-order scheme for Dragon Age 2. I can understand being upset if you didn't know about it and missed out, but you did know about it and chose not to pre-order. It's actually a clever marketing scheme - the most devout fans of the DA franchise and Bioware (such as yourself) would probably know about it and pre-order accordingly. The novelty of the marketing scheme got people talking (in favor or against) and raised awareness. This is the kind of fanservice that is smart, not dumb.

I have no problem with pre-order bonuses, but I felt the short time frame for so much content, and to do it so far in advance was a bad decision. I think they would get more pre-orders by throwing this in as a pre-order surprise closer to release, instead of pissing off people that may have missed out due to bad timing.

Originally Posted by Wombat I have no problem with pre-order bonuses, but I felt the short time frame for so much content, and to do it so far in advance was a bad decision. I think they would get more pre-orders by throwing this in as a pre-order surprise closer to release, instead of pissing off people that may have missed out due to bad timing.

Wombat: but if companies cared more about making people happy and less about making money, they would just give all their content away for free. This shit makes money. Contests, sales, limited-time offers--it's all bullshit. Saying that, I did pre-order DAII so I'm stoked.

Rise up comrades, and overthrow these capitalist game distributors! Isn't that sort of the CAG ethos?

PS3 CAGS: friend me on PSN at "casparnic"

Well let's see you pay $40-60 a year for XBOX live gold that gives you better web services. I pay $100 a year for our 4 accounts at home, so they are all gold at $25 a piece. Saying that and the annoying PS3 installs, I pay for Playstation plus so it downloads updates in the background on the PS3 which really helps and feel that it equals itself to xbox live gold, plus you get a lot of cool free games(do you guys do this? I've gotten about $80 of free games for a $50 service). As for new PSN releases? Just goto new releases, all the items are there. I want to know what free stuff I get from PS Plus, I goto Plus and the games are there. I enjoy watching Qore(which is pretty much a magazine that I get for free now with Plus). I pay for both Plus and Live and get value from both, I'm a happy consumer. Looking for old PSN items are a little frustrating but I really don't agree with your listing issues. I'm a little pissed with Kinect since they said that it would have integration with Netflix and it doesn't which I think they didn't include it purposely because they wanted people to buy movies from zune to use the Kinect and I didn't buy it. it works well with ESPN, so I'm happy with that.

I suggest the CAG team replay Heavy Rain with the Playstation Move, it's a totally different game that for me made the game a solid 7 to a solid 9.5, it loses .5 for install time. It's definatly the only Move game in my opinion for real gamers to play interactivly and sit on the couch. I am looking forward to Sorcery for the same reason.

The Playstation is not going downhill, it's so much better system then the xbox which isn't the best right now. Not playing LBP2???????????? That is frustrating because you don't give it a fair chance. Sackboy jumps the way he does because he is a sackperson not a real person. Now there is jumppacks for more jumping goodness, Seriously, it's the best console game of the year. There is so much online content, there is a story mode in this version and you can make your own games in this new version. Have you guys play any of the 2 + million levels online? I think it's sad that you all just dismiss it since the game covers multiple genres. Please rethink this and give it a fair try and play online. It's a lot of fun with 3 or 4 players. Maybe all play with each other during a show.

I dont understand how because xbox can advertise to consumers better about games makes them a better system? I don't think I will change your preferences as much as you will change mine. I don't think I'd tell xbox how to do a better job. The biggest seller for xbox is the 10 million dead 360 consoles that have made customers buy 10 million new 360 consoles.

The Wii is 1000% worse with finding online content, I feel that I might play the Wii more but I need more nerd score on my PSN and live accounts. I have so many cool games for the Wii but because of graphics and other games to play on PSN and xbox, I don't turn on the wii.

Trade ins for map packs? Can't you download with point cards from gamestop? I'd rather not link my account to anyone. I am 100% in agreeing with Dragon Age 2 preorder crap. I am against preordering unless there is a collectors edition that you really want.

Anyways, great cagcast as always.

ummm would love to listen but its not up on Itunes yet.
Guess i can stream it from my iPod Touch since i really wanna listen to it.
Keep up the good work,

Originally Posted by shogunieyasu Wombat: but if companies cared more about making people happy and less about making money, they would just give all their content away for free. This shit makes money. Contests, sales, limited-time offers--it's all bullshit. Saying that, I did pre-order DAII so I'm stoked. Rise up comrades, and overthrow these capitalist game distributors! Isn't that sort of the CAG ethos? PS3 CAGS: friend me on PSN at "casparnic"

I never said give it away for free, just extend that pre-order time to closer to the release date. Nothing crazy.

Originally Posted by adriley313 ummm would love to listen but its not up on Itunes yet. Guess i can stream it from my iPod Touch since i really wanna listen to it. Keep up the good work,

I downloaded from itunes at 6am this morning

Originally Posted by Wombat I never said give it away for free, just extend that pre-order time to closer to the release date. Nothing crazy.

Can't they just have the code in the 500k games they ship?

Originally Posted by Wombat I never said give it away for free, just extend that pre-order time to closer to the release date. Nothing crazy.

Right, but the novelty of the idea probably generated more preorders than a standard approach would have. In a show where you are all pushing for industry innovation, I fail to see how you miss this. It would be interesting, in March, to compare pre-order numbers between DA2 and a similarly selling game that took the standard approach to preorder bonuses. I am willing to bet that DA2 will have had more preorders.

Of course, I'm not sure if those numbers are available. Maybe the show's Bioware friends can enlighten us.

Originally Posted by davidb69 Not playing LBP2????????????

Now this is coming from someone who has been playing platformers and loving them for nearly three decades now but LittleBigPlanet feels terrible.

I fully accept that that is my problem but it would seem that many others feel the same way about the controls and were let down by the demo for 2 being more of the same in that regard.

There is some middle-ground there between Super Mario Bros. and a full-on physics platformer and I think that Trine is much closer to my ideal than LBP.

Originally Posted by davidb69 The Playstation is not going downhill, it's so much better system then the xbox which isn't the best right now. Not playing LBP2???????????? That is frustrating because you don't give it a fair chance. Sackboy jumps the way he does because he is a sackperson not a real person. Now there is jumppacks for more jumping goodness, Seriously, it's the best console game of the year. There is so much online content, there is a story mode in this version and you can make your own games in this new version. Have you guys play any of the 2 + million levels online? I think it's sad that you all just dismiss it since the game covers multiple genres. Please rethink this and give it a fair try and play online. It's a lot of fun with 3 or 4 players. Maybe all play with each other during a show.

"Seriously, it's the best console game of the year." Listen, I'm glad you enjoy a game so much that isn't even released yet and is already the best game of the year 2 weeks into 2011. That seems perfectly reasonable and logical. I do not want to play it though. I gave the first game more than a fair shot and I do not like LittleBigPlanet.

Originally Posted by shipwreck Listen, I'm glad you enjoy a game so much that isn't even released yet and is already the best game of the year 2 weeks into 2011. That seems perfectly reasonable and logical.

*cough there's a beta*