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Metal Gear Solid 3 review

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Old 11-21-2004, 03:59 AM   #1
Metal Gear Solid 3 review

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First of all, this is my first review so please no bashing me (it is 3 AM and I have been playing MGS 3 for the past seven hours, so typos will be cleaned up in the morning)



*SPOILERS* anything in the trailers is fair game to be discussed in background. Key elements of the story will not be given up.















*STORY*
Onto the game. As you probably already know the game is set in 1964 and revolves around a new weapon called the shagohod that has the capability to launch nuclear weapons at America with ease. That is all I am going to say about the story. Suffice it to say, the game has one of the best stories ever for a video game. Most of the loose ends are tied up, and it really makes me want to go back and play the other games.


*GRAPHICS/SOUND*
The graphics are jaw-dropping. Probably the best that can be found on a PS2. Everything from the reflections on the water, to the bunnies hopping in the forest add such a sense of realism to the jungle that the world almost seems real. You even get a sense of the sunlight coming through the trees due to a light tinted yellow filter on the game in these areas.

To address the slowdown that many reviewers complained about, I found very little, and the slowdown I found was in areas that I could really care less about slowdown. By this I mean, the game hiccups on the survival viewer and codec sequences from time to time. The game will hang for a slight second a take a while to load these menus every once and a while (though it is really rare, the Major seems to be the worst in terms of loading).

As far as sound, the game sounds great as well. The soundtrack does what it is supposed to, and makes you feel in the 60's. Everything from the theme song and the "songs you get by using CQC in a certain way :wink: " all sound like they are taken from this era.


*GAMEPLAY*

Typical MGS gameplay with several new featues make the experience more fulfilling this time around. CQC is the new combat system that has been employed, and probably the best change the series has experienced yet. Slicing enemies throat's or using them as shields adds a new depth to the game, and makes things much more enjoyable. I probably killed myself 25 times, just from messing around with the CQC and using enemies as shields.

Aside from the CQC, the biggest change in the game comes from the new curing and eating aspects of the game. The curing system is more annoying than it is useful. You never run out of any type of medical supplies and generally interferes with the continuity of boss fights (constantly having to remove gunshots of tranq darts in the heat of battle really sucks). The hunting system is implemented a little better than the curing system. It is actually fun to hunt and scrounge for food. Killing animals is usually easy and pretty fun, but fuirt usually takes being shot out of a tree (wasting bullets suck) and the animals usually give more stamina than a piece of fruit (fruit also has a larger chance of tasting terrible IMO).

Camo also plays a big part, but I do not think the implementation of camo is all that big of a change to the series. Basically all it is, is a system that helps provide you better protection while in the enviroment. It gets old changing camo all the time, and comes off as a little annoying (like the curing system).


*CLOSING COMMENTS*

I do not want to give too much away as this is the best game I have played in years and I would hate to ruin it for everyone. The game is truely a work of art and redeems Kojima (I personally loved MGS2, but if you hated that one, give this one a try as it is vastly superior). The game is also very long. I think it took me like 20 or so hours to beat. This is with me screwing around plenty and killing as many people as possible/ and trying to find all the secrets (i.e. weapons and other items). If you played without screwing around, it would probably take 12-16 hours. Also, a major change in series is gameplay is the key focus. Cutscenes at the beginning and end are long, but most of the ones in the game are relatively short and never seem longer than 5 minutes.

There were few faults in the game overall and I feel that the good, far outweighs the bad. Makes me feel bad when you consider how overlooked this game is. I wish the hype was as great as it was for MGS 2, as it really does not deserve to be as overlooked as it is. IMO this is game of the year as far as consoles are concerned (HL2 is probably GOTY overall, although I have not played it).


Overall score for the game 9.8
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:01 AM   #2
not going to read your review because i'm in the middle of it but so far the game is pretty amazing IMO....i was scared that you were going to play as raiden!

best cut scenes ever
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:03 AM   #3
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not going to read your review because i'm in the middle of it but so far the game is pretty amazing IMO....i was scared that you were going to play as raiden!

best cut scenes ever
wait until you get to the end. It is almost the perfect ending.
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:04 AM   #4
The only thing I disagree with was your view on the slowdown. Each time I had to use the codec, I would "lag". This also happened on the pause menus. The big problem I had with the game was the camera. The thing would switch between views too often, and snake would often stand and get caught when I had him try to crawl. MGS2 did not have these problems, and I can't see why they would appear now.

With that said, some will love it, but it I clearly prefer MGS2.
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:12 AM   #5
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The only thing I disagree with was your view on the slowdown. Each time I had to use the codec, I would "lag". This also happened on the pause menus. The big problem I had with the game was the camera. The thing would switch between views too often, and snake would often stand and get caught when I had him try to crawl. MGS2 did not have these problems, and I can't see why they would appear now.

With that said, some will love it, but it I clearly prefer MGS2.
I can totally understand your viewpoint, but CQC is so great that I do not mind dealing with all the problems. Now if they went and stuck CQC in MGS 2, I would be in heaven

I do think that they did a great job with the load times aside from those areas.
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Old 11-21-2004, 04:19 AM   #6
Plus it has Snake Vs Monkey!
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Old 11-23-2004, 03:05 PM   #7
Game of the Year
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Old 11-23-2004, 03:08 PM   #8
I havnt started it, I bought Metroid Prime 2 first started it and cant decide if I should have another game going. plus I need to finish Paper Mario 2...
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:24 PM   #9
The curing system seemed like a trial run anyways. Its a neat idea but the implementation of it and the fact that you can always bascially do it without running out of supplies is kinda cheap and annoying. Oh well, somewhat expected. You said that the hunting and stuff is fun? but is the experience or the integration of eating into the game nice or is it also kinda rocky like the curing? Thanx, I was thinking of picking this up soon but I dunno,might wait...?
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:35 PM   #10
Anyone notice the weird price for this at Best Buy? I was there today and they had it for $50.70. That is what the actual shelf tag said. There was another game that had a weird price like that but I can't remember what it was. Very strange.

On another note, I need this game but sadly, I must wait till it drops.
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Old 11-23-2004, 07:39 PM   #11
I just bought MGS 3, but i haven't played MGS 2 yet. Should i play MGS2 before i play MGS 3 ?
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Old 11-23-2004, 09:23 PM   #12
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I just bought MGS 3, but i haven't played MGS 2 yet. Should i play MGS2 before i play MGS 3 ?
It would probably make more sense to play them in that order
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Old 11-24-2004, 12:30 PM   #13
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I just bought MGS 3, but i haven't played MGS 2 yet. Should i play MGS2 before i play MGS 3 ?
I've only played Metal Gear Solid and Twin Snakes and I still enjoyed MGS 3 very much. If you plan on playing the whole series, you should do it in order, but if you're like me and don't have much time, it might be better to just skip over 2.
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Old 11-24-2004, 02:23 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by coolieman2001
I just bought MGS 3, but i haven't played MGS 2 yet. Should i play MGS2 before i play MGS 3 ?
I've only played Metal Gear Solid and Twin Snakes and I still enjoyed MGS 3 very much. If you plan on playing the whole series, you should do it in order, but if you're like me and don't have much time, it might be better to just skip over 2.
2 is actually very very good, and you get more out of Snake Eater if you play it.
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Old 01-23-2005, 06:59 PM   #15
heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:02 PM   #16
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heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
What does MGS2 sucking have to do with a MGS 3 review?
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:30 PM   #17
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Originally Posted by masta0031
heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
What does MGS2 sucking have to do with a MGS 3 review?
Agreed every problem you state comes form the MGS 2.

I actually have a bit of am issue with the ending of MGS 3, though in an effort to keep this spoiler free I won't say.
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:30 PM   #18
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Originally Posted by masta0031
heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
What does MGS2 sucking have to do with a MGS 3 review?
I was establishing the retarded plot twists as a trend. since both mgs2 and mgs3 suffer from them in my opinion. they are not quite as bad in 3, but still there were so many moments that just left me rolling my eyes
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:31 PM   #19
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Originally Posted by masta0031
heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
What does MGS2 sucking have to do with a MGS 3 review?
I was establishing the retarded plot twists as a trend. since both mgs2 and mgs3 suffer from them in my opinion. they are not quite as bad in 3, but still there were so many moments that just left me rolling my eyes
If you don't enjoy them then why play them. And 3's plot twists made plenty of sense and there were only about 3 or 4 major ones I can think of, hardly turning you around that frequently.
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Old 01-23-2005, 07:35 PM   #20
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Originally Posted by masta0031
heres my problem with the mgs 2&3. they needlessly complicate things. dont get me wrong, i love complex story lines. but there are just so many cheesy moments in these games it ruins it.
mgs 2 for example. the basic story of a shadow organization useing behavior patterns in humans & selective censorship to control history is a pretty good sory...and yet the bosses are....a fat guy on roller blades.....a bisexual vampire......and top it off with a final battle with dr. octipus meets tom cruise's last samuri. come on! the bosses in sonic adventure are more believeable than these guys!
not only that but all the plot twists...just when you think you know whats going on they switch feet and turn everything around on you. i wouldnt mind if this only happend once or twice but it happens so frequently that it comes off as just plain cheap
What does MGS2 sucking have to do with a MGS 3 review?
I was establishing the retarded plot twists as a trend. since both mgs2 and mgs3 suffer from them in my opinion. they are not quite as bad in 3, but still there were so many moments that just left me rolling my eyes
Yeah, MGS2 had retarded plot twists but not 3. Everything clicked together so well once you see the ending and realize why everything happened as it did.
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