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Okay, for starters, I enjoy the 3D jump that new games make as much as the next guy. But why does it seem that every developer, when given the chance, abandons the possibilites of 2D games just to 'fit in' to the next generation of gaming. Am I the only one that feels like this? Would they sell less at 2D (even if they were rated as good as the 3D game would have been?) Has anybody been the slightest dissapointed in a 'new' 3D version of their favorite 2D game?

yes. mario 64 and Zelda 64 sucked so bad they made me quit gaming for years until i discorvered a little gem named Harvest Moon 64.

3D has ruined the platformer, fighter and Metroid, just to name a few casulties.

Viewtiful Joe is probably the best thing to come out this generation, a fun, 2D game.

And don't even get me started on how ugly realistically shaded polygons are.

In conclusions, we need more 2D ga,es. When 2D dies, video games die.

2d wont die, think gba , also 2d rereleases are dominating whats left of the arcade era

I think Penny-Arcade stated it best, hang on while I find a quote...

I just don’t understand the game industrie's fascination with 3D shit. The goddamn dimension has been around for ever but they act like they just ing discovered it. When humans started sculpting they didn’t give up painting. Obviously 2D graphics and game play were not an artistic choice 15 years ago. Sonic and his hyper fast game play were born out of necessity. That doesn’t mean it’s bad though. As soon as Sega was able to move Sonic into 3D they did, but what they don’t seem to understand is that the switch to 3D removed everything that made previous Sonic games great.

Penny Arcade is only the best at sucking.

what a horrible waste of internet paper.

Originally Posted by DenisDFat yes. mario 64 and Zelda 64 sucked so bad they made me quit gaming for years until i discorvered a little gem named Harvest Moon 64. 3D has ruined the platformer, fighter and Metroid, just to name a few casulties. Viewtiful Joe is probably the best thing to come out this generation, a fun, 2D game. And don't even get me started on how ugly realistically shaded polygons are. In conclusions, we need more 2D ga,es. When 2D dies, video games die.

your crazy, 3D mario Zelda and Metroid are all awesome

Super Metroid remains the best in the series but Prime was better than Fusion and an amazing game

Metroid prime is a reason to go on a killing spree. taking a good game and turning it into another crappy first person shooter. Tremendous. Retro is even more worthless than Rare

One area where 2d will never go out of style is in fighting games. But in some cases games are better in 3D for example sports games. Eventually I think that developers will go back to 2d because after 3d there really isn't much else.

Originally Posted by DenisDFat Metroid prime is a reason to go on a killing spree. taking a good game and turning it into another crappy first person shooter. Tremendous. Retro is even more worthless than Rare

Yeah, except youre wrong. Metroid Prime is not a first person shooter, which is probably why you didn't like it. Its a first person adventure.

I kinda agree with you about Mario 64 and Zelda 64 though, I didn't really like them and dont quite understand why people liked them so much. N64's multiplayer games are awesome though.

Originally Posted by sandwiches99 Yeah, except youre wrong. Metroid Prime is not a first person shooter, which is probably why you didn't like it. Its a first person adventure. I kinda agree with you about Mario 64 and Zelda 64 though, I didn't really like them and dont quite understand why people liked them so much. N64's multiplayer games are awesome though.

He hates FPS

I dont like FPS, but I dont completely hate Metriod Prime personally. My problem is that you loose so much of the personaity of Samus because the only time you ever see the character is when you roll into a ball or the half second of animation you see as you chenge back into human form.

I like that you get more costume changes for your characters in 3D fighting games since you can't make 8 outfit changes for a 2d character without sacrificing frames or spending a LOT of time drawing.

My complaint with 3D is that for a long time developers seem to have been satisfied to stick a character in 3D. Screw making the game fun, just make sure we can legally call it a "3D environment". The only thing worse than these developers is the sheep who keep buying games solely because they're in 3D.

If I hear one more person proclaim a game's greatness because it's either "So realistic" or has "Such phenomenal graphics" (See all XBox fans) I might just turn off the video games for good.

My 2 cents

Well...when the companies DO try something that's based in a 2D plane, like Mega Man Network Transmission, it gets trashed in the reviews and sells like shit. Personally I think MMNT was straight up hardcore NES-days Mega Man with cel shaded graphics. I think Viewtiful Joe was the closest thing to what we had back in the day.

Oh, and:

Originally Posted by chosen1s If I hear one more person proclaim a game's greatness because it's either "So realistic" or has "Such phenomenal graphics" (See all XBox fans) I might just turn off the video games for good.

Don't paint all Xbox fans with such a broad stroke. You look like a fanboy yourself.

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback He hates FPS

Oh, well whatever his preference is, a lot of people thought Metroid Prime was a FPS just because it looked like one and was instantly frustrated with it because it didnt work like they expected it to.

3D expanded on platforms if anything. Granted, no game has really done it well though. I'd say the closest was Jak & Daxter. It had some really brilliant platforming levels, but it also had some really really awful and repetitve levels.

What do you like Denis?

No offense, but 2D is withering away.....i was a fan of it as much as you are/were, but look at it this way: in 10 or so years when our kids have their virtual reality PS5s....we'll be clammering about the greatness of 3D in terms of the psx/n64 generation, inevitable cycle but one i think we're all proud to be a part of as gamers.

With the move to 3D developers now have an extra dimension to screw up in. Thats not to say all 3D games are bad but many times they arn't alway good gameplay experiences because they go out of their way to use the depth but don't always know how to make if fun.

2.5D games are great though, things like Contra Shattered Soldier, Klonoa and Viewtiful Joe work. They're fun and they use the 3d power that systems now have but they dont overdo it and ruin the playability.

Perhaps I'm too much of an old-school gamer...
But, as an example, I would have preferred the newest Castlevania (even though it is awesome) to have stayed in 2D. I guess I get disappointed when I think of all of the time and effort put into making it 3D when it could have been used into making it longer, more in-depth, better gameplay, and better controls. I do like 3D games - I love first-person perspective games be it a shooter or an RPG or whatever is 'fitting' for the game. But not every game needs to make the jump, as the great dwindling 2D games have proven.

The thing that worries me is that I'm pretty sure that, with the PSP being 3d, when Nintendo eventually makes a GBA 2 it will be a 3d machine. Right now, the GBA is the only 2d console left. I really like the way 2d games look. (oh well, at least there's still cel-shading.)

i think its sort of unfair that as soon as people mention 3d, everyone immediately thinks of FPS's. I'm going to stay out of the Metroid Prime argument, but there were a lot of good 3d games that were released this year that were not FPS and shouldnt really get lumped together in the 3d bashing. Jak 2 and Ratchet and Clank 2 immediately come to mind, and I had just as much fun getting through those as I did Viewtiful Joe. All 3 were pretty amazing.

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