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Originally Posted by phantomfriar2002 Anyone on the fence about ALICE should keep on waiting. It's going to drop like a rock. The game has cool artistic design but once you play two hours of it you've basically played everything -- it's endlessly repetitive and the levels go on forever.

What does repetitive mean? I'm playing the game and I'm in chapter 3, but I have no ing idea what repetitive means. Is there any game out there that is not repetitive?

Repetive means you keep doing the same thing over and over again. Set piece moments help shake things up

Originally Posted by xxjonoxx Other than that, Alice is amazing. Everyone's price point is different to buy, but either way if you are even slightly interested in this game buy it when it hits your price. Reviews are wrong, play it before you write it off.

Reviews are the opinions of the reviewers. It's not good to say that everyone else's opinion except for yours is wrong. Just because you liked the game a lot, that doesn't mean that everyone else should or will.

Originally Posted by Ogami Itto What does repetitive mean? I'm playing the game and I'm in chapter 3, but I have no ing idea what repetitive means. Is there any game out there that is not repetitive?

The definition of repetitive:

characterized by or given to unnecessary repetition; boring: dull, repetitive work

I can't believe you actually asked that. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

Originally Posted by phantomfriar2002 Anyone on the fence about ALICE should keep on waiting. It's going to drop like a rock. The game has cool artistic design but once you play two hours of it you've basically played everything -- it's endlessly repetitive and the levels go on forever.

I sure hate it when games I like last a long time, boy does that suck.

I bought it at 50$ and its GOTY for me atm. I dunno why collectathon platformers died off but this is exactly what we need more of. Probably will stay there unless Guild Wars 2 comes out this year or if Dark Souls turns out to be more than Demon's Souls: The Expansion.

Originally Posted by eastx Reviews are the opinions of the reviewers. It's not good to say that everyone else's opinion except for yours is wrong. Just because you liked the game a lot, that doesn't mean that everyone else should or will. The definition of repetitive: I can't believe you actually asked that. But now you know, and knowing is half the battle!

Congratulations, you're a ing dumbass.

Originally Posted by Ogami Itto Congratulations, you're a ing dumbass.

I'm not sure, but it's far more likely that the person who either doesn't know what repetitive means or just doesn't know how to effectively make any kind of point at all, is the dumbass. Instead of childishly lashing out, you should be happy that someone actually tried to improve your poor vocabulary.

Originally Posted by ravens52bears54 I thought I heard a lot of the texture issues were fixed via a patch? No?

Originally Posted by Lyricsborn I would highly recomend Brink. Alot of the issues mentioned have been fixed. Now for Alice does anyone feel like it will be about 20 bucks in a few months?

The errors have yet to be fixed, I literally just played today and all the issues I mentioned are still there. The game just isn't worth it. I hadn't tried installing it, that might fix the textures. But installing usually only affects load times and little else.

As for Alice, I expect $20 around September. If you want to wait I'd say go for it.

Originally Posted by Cheeseknight28 The errors have yet to be fixed, I literally just played today and all the issues I mentioned are still there. The game just isn't worth it. I hadn't tried installing it, that might fix the textures. But installing usually only affects load times and little else. As for Alice, I expect $20 around September. If you want to wait I'd say go for it.

I hope it's $20 by September. I'll love to play this game around Halloween time.

I assume Ogami's actual question was what part of the game is repetitive, not what is the definition of the word. Good to see everyone getting along, though.

Originally Posted by Cheeseknight28 The errors have yet to be fixed, I literally just played today and all the issues I mentioned are still there. The game just isn't worth it. I hadn't tried installing it, that might fix the textures. But installing usually only affects load times and little else. As for Alice, I expect $20 around September. If you want to wait I'd say go for it.

It better be lowered to at least $20 in the Steam sale :(

Originally Posted by radioactivez0r I assume Ogami's actual question was what part of the game is repetitive, not what is the definition of the word. Good to see everyone getting along, though.

Or that every game is repetitive, given what his last line in that quote was. Which is true, every game ever created is repetitive. CoD and other shooters are popular but they're also very repetitive, run around and shoot everything you see.

I'm kind of on the fence with this game, reviews are all over the place, some love it, some hate it, some just find it average. I'll probably pick it up since I was always interested in the original and this looks interesting.

Originally Posted by Thongsy Or that every game is repetitive, given what his last line in that quote was. Which is true, every game ever created is repetitive. CoD and other shooters are popular but they're also very repetitive, run around and shoot everything you see.

It's far more accurate to say that every game contains repetition. That's not the same thing as being repetitive. Like I was telling Shaft, I mean, Ogami Itto, repetitive means that something becomes boring due to unnecessary repetition. In other words, while repetition is inherent to games, repetitiveness is not.

Clearly many reviewers feel that Alice 2 is repetitive, and they are not wrong for feeling so - that's how they perceive the game's tasks and gameplay. A person with different tastes might not feel that way, but the fact that so many people do find Alice repetitive is cause for concern. But I'm still buying it anyway.

Originally Posted by radioactivez0r I assume Ogami's actual question was what part of the game is repetitive, not what is the definition of the word. Good to see everyone getting along, though.

I responded to what he actually said, and that pissed him off for some reason. Not my fault.

Originally Posted by radioactivez0r I assume Ogami's actual question was what part of the game is repetitive, not what is the definition of the word. Good to see everyone getting along, though.

So I'm thinking about getting Alice. How long does it take to beat it?

And should I bother playing the original that comes with a new copy? And about how much time should I plan for the original as well?

Originally Posted by Cheeseknight28 The errors have yet to be fixed, I literally just played today and all the issues I mentioned are still there. The game just isn't worth it. I hadn't tried installing it, that might fix the textures. But installing usually only affects load times and little else. As for Alice, I expect $20 around September. If you want to wait I'd say go for it.

On the PS3 today everything was running smoothly. No pop in,no lag, no problems.

Originally Posted by SpiderHulkThing So I'm thinking about getting Alice. How long does it take to beat it? And should I bother playing the original that comes with a new copy? And about how much time should I plan for the original as well?

10 hours for madness returns if you're very quick, 12-15 more likely. You can read in the sequel a basic play by play of alice from the first game(not quite of the game itself, but what had been happening to her in real life).

The first one can be rough to play, the jumping is just awkward. Combat is shooter like and simple, game still has visual treats and I think those aged a lot better than probably most games this old...but it's still quake 3 engine and a decade past it's release. I think it is a bit shorter to complete.

Originally Posted by Lyricsborn On the PS3 today everything was running smoothly. No pop in,no lag, no problems.

Perhaps they just half-assed the 360 version? I personally didn't much care for the game that was being presented - but hey if you like it then I won't judge you or anything. It just felt entirely too derivative.

Good to see that all the versions aren't awful.

Edit: If you really want a good judge of how many people have stuck with Brink, check here:

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Brink requires Steam for online play to my knowledge, and even though the game is just a month old and has an online focus, it's not peaking at more than 1,000 players.

Originally Posted by SpiderHulkThing So I'm thinking about getting Alice. How long does it take to beat it? And should I bother playing the original that comes with a new copy? And about how much time should I plan for the original as well?

Sitting at 10 hours atm with a 48%-ish completion. I think the game counts collection all the items as a percentage though, not beating the levels. Would estimate 20ish hours for a near 100% completion.

Originally Posted by Cheeseknight28 Brink requires Steam for online play to my knowledge, and even though the game is just a month old and has an online focus, it's not peaking at more than 1,000 players.

It's still the morning, most of those games don't have their normal peaks yet. Brink usually averages around 1500-2000. Which isn't great compared to other games on the list, but still better than what it is now. It amazes me CS 1.6 is still played as much as it is.

Originally Posted by crystalklear64 Sitting at 10 hours atm with a 48%-ish completion. I think the game counts collection all the items as a percentage though, not beating the levels. Would estimate 20ish hours for a near 100% completion.

It's completely how well you search though. I beat the game at less than 14 hours but 96% completion rate, and as you can see by that rate, I wasn't rushing. Everything is pretty much right along the level just usually a side platform or hidden keyhole before you move forward so I don't think too much time is spent going after that stuff, other than mopping up the tiny bit you might have missed like in my case. That could take awhile.