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Originally Posted by perdition(troy Sean, did you post your max or your rep weight?

Those are all 3x5 reps (except deadlift is a 1x5).

Blinding, the lower sugar/carbs/starches has a lot of science behind it. Also, people don't say just eat as many calories as you want while on it. However if you are eating things like meat and vegetables, you are going to become satiated faster than say corn/breads/candy and take in less food. You don't have to give up pizza and cake, just save it for once a week. Alcohol bad for you so a lot of people only drink on weekends. Carbs/sugars really arent good for you so they should be treated the same

Also don't bring up forks over knives. It was made by vegans and has a pretty clear agenda attached

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Blinding, the lower sugar/carbs/starches has a lot of science behind it. Also, people don't say just eat as many calories as you want while on it. However if you are eating things like meat and vegetables, you are going to become satiated faster than say corn/breads/candy and take in less food. You don't have to give up pizza and cake, just save it for once a week. Alcohol bad for you so a lot of people only drink on weekends. Carbs/sugars really arent good for you so they should be treated the same Also don't bring up forks over knives. It was made by vegans and has a pretty clear agenda attached

I wasn't suggesting the article wasn't scientifically backed, I just get tired of reading the same old "THIS is the problem" approach. There is no single reason for obesity so we shouldn't treat it like correcting one thing will cure it.

Of course the people behind Forks Over Knives have an agenda, but what's the deal with the guy writing this article? The author downplays exercise to pump up his own point. It's just stupid, instead of worrying about which method for fighting obesity is the "best", people should be aware of the various things that lead to it and do their best to monitor all of them. Why act like one thing is the problem when the basics are simple enough to understand?

I'm not going to lie, I just think it is as simple as calories and sugar. Eat semi-decent, exercise and the weight will just come right off. I'm closing in on 40 pounds, and I haven't ran more than a mile or so in total in that entire time. It's just been walking/weights and watching the amount of calories that I am consuming.

Blinding, weight loss is pretty low on the list of benefits of exercise. You can easily drop the pounds without getting active.

It's important to go with what's backed by science. In the simplest sense sugar is the issue. Problem is eating excessive carbs will turn to sugar. There's a reason a diabetic on a low carb diet will have their blood sugar go down.

Play the High fructose corn syrup game. Look how many foods contain it. It's disgusting.

I didnt read the article because I am at work, so forgive my ignorance. But how can you not lose weight without the exercise. I understand not eating as much is part of the master plan, but wouldn't your body adjust to the reduced caloric intake and plateau forever? And rather quickly too.

Sugar and carbs are my mortal enemies and I am losing the war. I've got the carbs pretty much under control (no pasta or rice and minimal bread) but the freaking candy is killing me. F you jellybeans, laffy taffy and skittles.

Originally Posted by Number83 I didnt read the article because I am at work, so forgive my ignorance. But how can you not lose weight without the exercise. I understand not eating as much is part of the master plan, but wouldn't your body adjust to the reduced caloric intake and plateau forever? And rather quickly too.

Basically you don't burn a huge amount of calories when working out. 3 mile run burns off one candy bar. While exercise can definitely help, eating less and cleaner is all that is needed.

Javery my solution is to never buy ice cream or candy. I love the stuff but it's hard to control.

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Blinding, weight loss is pretty low on the list of benefits of exercise. You can easily drop the pounds without getting active. It's important to go with what's backed by science. In the simplest sense sugar is the issue. Problem is eating excessive carbs will turn to sugar. There's a reason a diabetic on a low carb diet will have their blood sugar go down. Play the High fructose corn syrup game. Look how many foods contain it. It's disgusting.

I am not saying what he's talking about is not important. I'm just annoyed with how he and others, ranging from groups trying to combat obesity to creators of the various fad diets, use language in the information they produce to make people believe that there is one cause for obesity. Mainly because that type of wording tends to lead to a lot of people who think they can focus on one contributor to weight gain and totally ignore the others.

I have overweight co-workers and friends and it's what I hear from them that causes me to hate this kind of stuff. One co-worker always tells me "this doctor published this article that says you can't exercise enough to significantly help weight loss" and therefore he justifies not exercising. On the other hand, I have a friend who says "you can't eat anything with sugar or flour in it", so he constantly cycles on and off that diet losing and then quickly gaining back 10-15 pounds as soon as he realizes how miserable it is following it. Another co-worker is all over the people live a sedentary lifestyle bit, so he goes to the gym before work every morning and then complains to me that he's not losing weight very fast as he eats McDonalds cheeseburgers for lunch.

It just seems to me that if the purpose of things like this article is to encourage people to lose weight and get healthy, why downplay exercise or the other contributors to weight gain? People need to understand that there are multiple things they need to pay attention to if they don't want to be fat. Making them think that there is one thing they can fix while ignoring the other factors isn't working, yet that's the method that articles like that seem to be trying to use.

Your anger seems to be directed at the people around you, and how they mess up the facts. Regardless, current research shows sugar/carbs are why makes you fat, exercise has many benefits, but weight loss is not the primary one, and you can lose weight by just controlling diet.

If that makes people miserable so be it. No one said its easy.

I also totally disagree a low carb diet is a unsavory one. Mmmm steak, chicken, pork, bacon, eggs, cheese, butter, asparagus, broccoli, etc.

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Javery my solution is to never buy ice cream or candy. I love the stuff but it's hard to control.

I know. I never buy that stuff myself but I've got 2 kids so there are always sweets/desserts in the house. I am powerless!!!

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Basically you don't burn a huge amount of calories when working out. 3 mile run burns off one candy bar. While exercise can definitely help, eating less and cleaner is all that is needed. Javery my solution is to never buy ice cream or candy. I love the stuff but it's hard to control.

With Weight Watchers, you get points back by exercising. In my case, my 7 mile Monday alone run burns 1050 calories (according to the treadmill). At 1 point per 50 calories, I can get 21 points back for the week. Since I'm allowed 22 points a day, that's like getting an 8th day to eat during the week (which I wouldnt do, obviously). I don't see how I could possibly maintain my steady weight loss without the exercise, especially now that I feel like I'm really half-assing my cardio recently and the weight loss has not been as easy (although, my choice of foods is also questionable too, so I guess it does work hand-in-hand).

Originally Posted by Javery I know. I never buy that stuff myself but I've got 2 kids so there are always sweets/desserts in the house. I am powerless!!!

This x 100! Kids ruin EVERYTHING!!!!

Originally Posted by Number83 With Weight Watchers, you get points back by exercising. In my case, my 7 mile Monday alone run burns 1050 calories (according to the treadmill). At 1 point per 50 calories, I can get 21 points back for the week. Since I'm allowed 22 points a day, that's like getting an 8th day to eat during the week (which I wouldnt do, obviously). I don't see how I could possibly maintain my steady weight loss without the exercise, especially now that I feel like I'm really half-assing my cardio recently and the weight loss has not been as easy (although, my choice of foods is also questionable too, so I guess it does work hand-in-hand). This x 100! Kids ruin EVERYTHING!!!!

A consistent 7 mile run is an impressive feat, but it definitely makes you an exercising outlier. Just like Jav doing insanity, me doing strong lifts, etc.

The problem comes from people going to the gym, not pushing it, and then thinking they can eat whatever. The recommended 30 minutes of "moderate" exercise is beneficial, just not really for calorie burning. Make sense?

I find people tend to over estimate calories burned and under estimate calories consumed. A dangerous combo.

Originally Posted by Number83 This x 100! Kids ruin EVERYTHING!!!!

Haha - they definitely don't care about what they eat that's for sure. I always tell my daughter I wish I had her abs - she's ripped and she eats ice cream every freaking day! Eating "healthy" to them is chicken nuggets and hot dogs. Although my kids do eat a ton of fruit and my daughter will eat raw onions all day if we let her.

Originally Posted by seanr1221 I find people tend to over estimate calories burned and under estimate calories consumed. A dangerous combo.

I am guilty of this. I always think "yesterday wasn't so bad" and then 20 minutes later I remember the random slices of cheese or handfuls of goldfish crackers I ate for no reason. I'm definitely sure I'm burning a ton of calories but I'm also sure I'm eating more than I should.

You are doing a real nice job on your lifts - I started working in 2 sets of pull-ups about a week ago and I'm up to 6 as of this morning! It's weak sauce but I do them after an hour of Insanity and my other lifting so I'm pretty exhausted by that point.

Been training since January for my first Tough Mudder this Saturday. Minus a couple of weeks in Feb where I tweaked my back and rested to make sure I was OK for a snowboard trip out West.

I hate running. Would always ride the bike.

Jan 8 - 30 mins/2.1 miles
Feb 23 - 68 mins/6 miles
Last week - 27 mins/3 miles
Tuesday - 90 mins/9 miles (with a time of 57 mins at the 6 mile mark)

I wouldn't go as far as to say I "like" running, but it's definitely a better workout than the bike and I'm kinda into it now. The Tough Mudder is 11 miles.

Only lost like 5 pounds during that time though (6'4" 210lb). Was hoping for another 5-10 more - would have helped with all those wall climbs and the monkey bars. I put on some muscle though.

In addition to the gym on my own, I play men's league hockey about 1x a week, tried to do 100 pushups/day (the 100 was easy, motivating to do them everyday was the hard part), did two Tough Mudder 1-hour boot camps, and I did a trial Crossfit class too. The first boot camp and the Crossfit class were killers - it hurt to walk for a day or two after each. I can't even imagine how much pain I'm going to be in for on Sunday and Monday Buy stock in Alleve today guys!

Originally Posted by murph17 Been training since January for my first Tough Mudder this Saturday. Minus a couple of weeks in Feb where I tweaked my back and rested to make sure I was OK for a snowboard trip out West. I hate running. Would always ride the bike. Jan 8 - 30 mins/2.1 miles Feb 23 - 68 mins/6 miles Last week - 27 mins/3 miles Tuesday - 90 mins/9 miles (with a time of 57 mins at the 6 mile mark) I wouldn't go as far as to say I "like" running, but it's definitely a better workout than the bike and I'm kinda into it now. The Tough Mudder is 11 miles. Only lost like 5 pounds during that time though (6'4" 210lb). Was hoping for another 5-10 more - would have helped with all those wall climbs and the monkey bars. I put on some muscle though. In addition to the gym on my own, I play men's league hockey about 1x a week, tried to do 100 pushups/day (the 100 was easy, motivating to do them everyday was the hard part), did two Tough Mudder 1-hour boot camps, and I did a trial Crossfit class too. The first boot camp and the Crossfit class were killers - it hurt to walk for a day or two after each. I can't even imagine how much pain I'm going to be in for on Sunday and Monday Buy stock in Alleve today guys!

Some impressive improvements there...nice work!

Good Luck in the race!

I took the week off with my diet last week. I still put everything into Lose It out of habit, but I was something like 3,500+ over my weekly limit, mostly because of eating out a few nights (I always make good choices for entrées, I just get screwed when my girlfriend orders and appetizer and/or says "You want some of this? I can't finish it all.").

Not sure if I was carrying a lot of water weight or what, but Saturday and Sunday the scale was reading 188~189 pounds. So Monday I got back to being strict on the diet and all of my workouts this week have really redefined what I consider vigorous. This morning I clocked in at 181.9 pounds which is a new low. Going to try to keep this up for the next month or so to cut away some more fat.

Also, the local outdoor pool that's much closer to my house than the indoor one I use at the gym is opening up at the end of the month so I'm excited about being able to swim more often.



Derailed discussion with Sean:

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Your anger seems to be directed at the people around you, and how they mess up the facts. Regardless, current research shows sugar/carbs are why makes you fat, exercise has many benefits, but weight loss is not the primary one, and you can lose weight by just controlling diet. If that makes people miserable so be it. No one said its easy. I also totally disagree a low carb diet is a unsavory one. Mmmm steak, chicken, pork, bacon, eggs, cheese, butter, asparagus, broccoli, etc.

I'm not sure if we're just on different wavelengths or what, but you keep repeating yourself about the sugar/carbs as if I have said that isn't a contributor to obesity and I haven't said that at all.

My problem isn't with the people around me messing up the facts. It's the general mindset that many of those who are overweight have towards weight loss, that things should be easy and they just want to fix one thing instead of changing multiple aspects to their lifestyle, and how that way of thinking is reflected in everything from fad diets to legitimate articles about obesity. That's really all it boils down to.

late night here helping my sister-in-law with her kids, and its been a hell of a long day.

Decided to ride my bike and then lift my upper body. I got there, and decided screw it I'm not lifting its far too nice out. Just started going on the bike, and was making great time. Was doing that ten mile ride from the other day, plus the extra from lifting, and then it got fun and I hope you all get enjoyment out of this. Made my way through one loop, and was like it, lets hit it up once again. This is a 3 mile loop mind you. I'm a mile and a half into it and I get to a hill that is pretty close to straight up. I just start furiously pedaling, keeping it in the hardest gear. Suddenly I hear a really loud "crack" and my pedals are spinning circles. I apparently snapped my chain 3 and a half miles away from my house, after biking 12.15 miles. Wife was working, and I don't really want to bug anyone to bring me home so I decided to walk it. Needless to say I was exausted and my legs have been killing me. It is 2 am now and I am still awake (my sisters twins are a month old).

Oh, one more thing I forgot to mention Yesterday was my leg day. Squats: 10 at 155, 170, 180, and 165. Lunges, calf raises, and I threw leg press in there as well, and walked 7 miles. I woke up this morning and could barely get up from a sitting position, and couldn't squat to get in a chair. FML.

Picture and weight update finally

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Today (May 12th)

Originally Posted by seanr1221 Those are all 3x5 reps (except deadlift is a 1x5). Blinding, the lower sugar/carbs/starches has a lot of science behind it. Also, people don't say just eat as many calories as you want while on it. However if you are eating things like meat and vegetables, you are going to become satiated faster than say corn/breads/candy and take in less food. You don't have to give up pizza and cake, just save it for once a week. Alcohol bad for you so a lot of people only drink on weekends. Carbs/sugars really arent good for you so they should be treated the same Also don't bring up forks over knives. It was made by vegans and has a pretty clear agenda attached

Echoing what Sean said. I've perfected the core of my diet, and that includes eating as little sugar as possible. While I try to intake a low amount of salt, I do understand that some salt is vital for humans. Sugar is just bad news. (Admittedly, I love baked bread. And eat it when ever I make it. I don't have any issue with that type of carbs. Just passes through.)

And vegan here. I love forks—and—knives. Sometimes, I like to fork with my knife.

Nice work, Troy. Sending a high-five your direction.

Blinding, what I do to get out of eating my girlfriend's leftovers is "I can't eat that; I'm vegan." Perhaps it's a sign? We could always use more recruits! Hehehe

Buying stock in Aleve as I type this, Murph. I dunno what a "Tough Mudder" is—but it sounds tough...and muddy. Good luck!

I hurt myself a few days ago while upping the weight in my Olympic squats. My right knee has a tendency to buckle, just because, and as I brought the bar over my head and to the floor, my knee buckled and got caught under the bar. Wound up with a bruise the size of a lemon. I had hurt my left heel the day before, so trying to find a good limp has been pretty fun. My girlfriend, who is a nurse, has been insistent that I get it checked out 'cause it's easy to break the small bones in feet. I, on the other hand, have been ignoring those requests because I dun wanna.

Originally Posted by murph17 Been training since January for my first Tough Mudder this Saturday. Minus a couple of weeks in Feb where I tweaked my back and rested to make sure I was OK for a snowboard trip out West. I hate running. Would always ride the bike. Jan 8 - 30 mins/2.1 miles Feb 23 - 68 mins/6 miles Last week - 27 mins/3 miles Tuesday - 90 mins/9 miles (with a time of 57 mins at the 6 mile mark) I wouldn't go as far as to say I "like" running, but it's definitely a better workout than the bike and I'm kinda into it now. The Tough Mudder is 11 miles. Only lost like 5 pounds during that time though (6'4" 210lb). Was hoping for another 5-10 more - would have helped with all those wall climbs and the monkey bars. I put on some muscle though. In addition to the gym on my own, I play men's league hockey about 1x a week, tried to do 100 pushups/day (the 100 was easy, motivating to do them everyday was the hard part), did two Tough Mudder 1-hour boot camps, and I did a trial Crossfit class too. The first boot camp and the Crossfit class were killers - it hurt to walk for a day or two after each. I can't even imagine how much pain I'm going to be in for on Sunday and Monday Buy stock in Alleve today guys!

I cant wait to do Tough Mudder in Tampa in December. But I have ran a few of these type races already with Tough Mudder and Savage Race being my favorites.

Also CrossFit is legit, i just cant justify the cost ($140 mo) with a 2 year old in daycare. I do run about 3.5mi every other day. My goal by Aug 1 is to have run 500 miles in a year which is right on track, not bad considering I started out hating running (Loathed it). Now i look forward to it. But I am planning on starting Insanity to break up the running and get more tone and lean which running isn't doing. Also working on picking up a Road Bike off eBay or CL once i can find a decent bite for a good price.