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Originally Posted by kwirl am i the only person who doesn't really mind drm stuff? i mean, don't get it wrong - back when i couldn't afford games and before i knew any better, i pirated my share of games. over time, i realized that i enjoyed those games so much that i just started buying them because it was easier, then steam taught me that games don't have to cost 60 dollars and between steam, amazon and origin i now have about a terabyte of games that i've purchased. the only one i ever run into problems with is EA's origin service, but that is not really a drm problem, more likely a cluster account history problem. whats the big deal if a game has drm? why exactly does it matter? with the speed of today's computers and video cards i rarely notice system requirements anymore, with hard drives as cheap as they are i don't care about updates and patches anymore, either. more the point, if the drm doesn't affect your ability to play the game offline, what is the real focus of the hate?

I'm all for developers having DRM to protect their property but that doesnt give them the right to modify my registry to the point so that it cant be uninstalled properly. Steam itself is a form of DRM and I prefer my games to be on Steam.

Originally Posted by kwirl am i the only person who doesn't really mind drm stuff? i mean, don't get it wrong - back when i couldn't afford games and before i knew any better, i pirated my share of games. over time, i realized that i enjoyed those games so much that i just started buying them because it was easier, then steam taught me that games don't have to cost 60 dollars and between steam, amazon and origin i now have about a terabyte of games that i've purchased. the only one i ever run into problems with is EA's origin service, but that is not really a drm problem, more likely a cluster account history problem. whats the big deal if a game has drm? why exactly does it matter? with the speed of today's computers and video cards i rarely notice system requirements anymore, with hard drives as cheap as they are i don't care about updates and patches anymore, either. more the point, if the drm doesn't affect your ability to play the game offline, what is the real focus of the hate?

Depending on the DRM, DRM's have done some crazy things.
They often install drivers to your system.
They might even modify your OS and/or registry.

StarForce, for example, was one of the most damaging DRM's. It could...do LOTS of thing.
It was known for...
Doing damage to your OS and its security;
Cause all kinds of weird blue screens, make your OS not boot, and other Windows errors;
your literal game CD's and DVD's [some people have had their discs break and shatter right in the optical drive b/c of the way SF manipulates disc drives];
and actually to destroying your disc drive [causing it to not work, given the way it literally measure your game disc and manipulate disc drive's speed, wearing it out].

Also, many don't like Securom b/c it is known for stopping game from booting b/c you have a "black-listed" program installed; have had issues w/ online Internet activations; uses rootkeys for revokes; and other things.

MW2 is finally at my price point! Consider 3 copies bought as I told my friends about it.
Great job T-Money!

My Samsung DVD drives hate Securom for whatever reason, and I have the disc version of Borderlands GOTY back when Amazon did a gold box on it for 10 bucks a while ago. The disc will hang trying to read about 95% of the time; never happens with any other disc. Even got a replacement copy thinking the disc was defective and that didn't work either. It's also a pain to have to catalog and remember which games in your collection use which DRM/activation scheme because some of them don't automatically de-activate for you upon uninstall, and if you end up having to reformat or your entire HDD dies in general without a chance to de-activate yourself you just lose an activation for no real reason. Sure, you might (and I do mean might) get them reset if you call but why should you have to in the first place; it's just an inconvenience with no upside for the consumer.

You picked the wrong theme, Tony. You need to do the Forever Alone promotion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_14sLuCxvT0

Originally Posted by Psybuster My Samsung DVD drives hate Securom for whatever reason, and I have the disc version of Borderlands GOTY back when Amazon did a gold box on it for 10 bucks a while ago. The disc will hang trying to read about 95% of the time; never happens with any other disc. Even got a replacement copy thinking the disc was defective and that didn't work either.

If I recall, Painkiller on Retail disc had all kinds of problems w/ certain drives b/c of its DRM.
Of course, GOG sells the game DRM-FREE now...

It's also a pain to have to catalog and remember which games in your collection use which DRM/activation scheme because some of them don't automatically de-activate for you upon uninstall, and if you end up having to reformat or your entire HDD dies in general without a chance to de-activate yourself you just lose an activation for no real reason. Sure, you might (and I do mean might) get them reset if you call but why should you have to in the first place; it's just an inconvenience with no upside for the consumer.

Yeah, the Securom DRM schemes w/ install limits are crazy.
And having to call for a product we bought - yeah, that just sounds annoying and silly.

I think DRM is in place b/c they [the publishers] probably hope we legit gamers will go buy another copy of the game - especially if the game has install limits. :P

Of course, pirates never have to worry about the pain-in-the-neck DRM problems that legit game-owners go through...

IMHO, any games w/ SP portions, the SP portions of the game should have their DRM removed at a later said date, when the game gets old, cheap, and done its round of sales. DRM's there "supposedly" to stop pirates from thieving the game at high prices [usually when a game's new on the market] and to try to eliminate used game sales.

Divinity II, where art thou?

Originally Posted by Freedom Fries Divinity II, where art thou?

Ego Draconis (Original Edition) or Dragon Knight Saga? :P
I hope you mean DKS; it's worlds better.

Originally Posted by Freedom Fries Divinity II, where art thou?

Originally Posted by MysterD Ego Draconis (Original Edition) or Dragon Knight Saga? :P I hope you mean DKS; it's worlds better.

Working on this .

Cheers,
Tony

@Tony
When do Valentine's Day prices flip?
Somewhere around 12AM PST, give or take?
[Side Note - I'm here on East Coast, so 3 hour Time Zone difference for me.]

hmm dont really see anything I like but good work having a sale, seems like Valve didnt bother.

any chance the various Magicka dlc will be on sale as well?
I bought the pack during the december sale, but never grabbed the few things it doesn't include

MW2 so cheap OMG, Best offer ever. Thanx TONY

Originally Posted by Larce80 hmm dont really see anything I like but good work having a sale, seems like Valve didnt bother.

Oh, I wouldn't count Valve out, this soon...
It ain't even Val-Day, yet.
Plus, they haven't even began their Midweek Madness yet...

Originally Posted by MysterD @Tony When do Valentine's Day prices flip? Somewhere around 12AM PST, give or take? [Side Note - I'm here on East Coast, so 3 hour Time Zone difference for me.]

Anytime after 12:00 AM ( 3:00AM your time) usually by 12:30. It takes a variable amount of time due to a bunch of technical issues that we have a team of devs working on. Changing ANYTHING having to due with a functioning pricing system on Amazon is definitely a process though.

Originally Posted by Larce80 hmm dont really see anything I like but good work having a sale, seems like Valve didnt bother.

Thanks for the compliment, we are trying to bring you guys some killer deals! Our buddies over at that other group you mentioned they having some cool sales too though, and I'm sure they've got something crazy up their sleeves for V-Day. I actually ran into one of those guys at breakfast this Saturday and we spent the entire morning hanging out. He was legitimately one of the coolest dudes I've ever met.

Originally Posted by pablo9000 any chance the various Magicka dlc will be on sale as well? I bought the pack during the december sale, but never grabbed the few things it doesn't include

We don't have any plans for putting the DLC on sale as well currently.

Originally Posted by faraany3k MW2 so cheap OMG, Best offer ever. Thanx TONY

Glad you're psyched

Originally Posted by MysterD Oh, I wouldn't count Valve out, this soon... It ain't even Val-Day, yet. Plus, they haven't even began their Midweek Madness yet...

See my note above

Cheers,
Tony

awesome will be getting CoD and borderlands!

hope there is more steam games on sale!

Originally Posted by Amazon DVG Deals See my note above Cheers, Tony

Saw it.
Yeah, you're right - they have some cool deals.

And you didn't match their Steam Daily Deal of Games of Thrones: Genesis for $10. :P

Not sure if anybody else looking for that game, so figured I'd mention it.
Not cheap enough yet, for my blood.... :P

Originally Posted by faraany3k MW2 so cheap OMG, Best offer ever. Thanx TONY

I wonder when Black Ops and MW3 will get that cheap. :P
Hell, while we're at it - same goes for BF3, as well...

Originally Posted by faraany3k MW2 so cheap OMG, Best offer ever. Thanx TONY

Originally Posted by MysterD Saw it. Yeah, you're right - they have some cool deals. And you didn't match their Steam Daily Deal of Games of Thrones: Genesis for $10. :P Not sure if anybody else looking for that game, so figured I'd mention it. Not cheap enough yet, for my blood.... :P

This was a total miss on my part, sorry it was a daily too. We actually talked about this in a meeting and then I got sucked into finishing up the V-Day promo. My bad :(.

Cheers,
Tony

Originally Posted by Amazon DVG Deals This was a total miss on my part, sorry it was a daily too. We actually talked about this in a meeting and then I got sucked into finishing up the V-Day promo. My bad :(. Cheers, Tony

I'm a nerd w/ no life and don't miss many digital deals. :P
So, yeah...don't worry about it.
I'm not looking for this game yet...not cheap enuff for a CAG like me, yet.

Don't know if others are, though. :P