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Old 11-04-2011, 08:55 PM   #1
August's NESCast is over.

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Welcome to August's "NESCast" Lowball


Start Date: 12/03
End Date: 12/11
End Time: Between 9:00 PM and 11:59 PM
Payments Accepted: Paypal

Invoice Details Post #: 2



Lowball Rules: (Thanks dv8mad)

Please read as there are changes!!



I. BIDDING

  • 1) Simply type in your max bid for the item(s) in this thread. No PMs. No Emails. Just reply in the forum reply section. This is to keep bids public. Obviously post edits and spoilers hiding bids are NOT acceptable. If you made a mistake in your submission, please post again.
  • 2) I will update the first page to reflect your bids as often as possible. Feel free to check the latest bids on the last page(s) if you are unsure of the latest update time.
  • 3) There is no minimum to win any item. You can win them for as little as you bid. So if you bid $1.00 and win it, it's yours for a $1.00 (plus shipping). If someone bids $5 and you outbid them for $10, you may win the item for your $10 bid and pay your bid plus shipping at the end of the sale.
  • 4) The smallest bid increment is $1.00, no $.10 or $.01 bids!
  • 5) Please note that you will be expected to pay the amount you bid plus appropriate shipping if you have the highest offer at the end. Negative feedback may be left for those who choose not to follow through with payment.
  • 6) If you place a bid, you are committing to that item. DO NOT place a bid if you do not intend to keep that bid active. While I understand that sometimes unavoidable circumstances arise, if you are fearful that this may happen, please wait to bid on the last day so you know that nothing unexpected occurred!
  • 7) It is your responsibility to make sure the item is of a condition to your satisfaction. Please ask any questions if you may have them and view the pictures of the items as well as their descriptions.
II. END OF AUCTION
  • I will not be posting the exact ending time, however, it will be between 9:00 PM and 11:59 PM (EST) on 12/11. Once I post saying AUCTION OVER - NO MORE BIDS ACCEPTED, that is it and nothing further will count.
III. Payment/Shipping
  • Payment is due within 1 week of closing. If you cannot make this schedule, please contact me before bidding.
  • If you win one item, shipping is $3. Each additional item will be $1.50.
  • Heavier items will be charged actual shipping.
  • Orders with calculated shipping will be sent by either Parcel Post or Priority Mail as per your preference. (Please contact if you need further details.)
  • Your items will all be packed with extreme care. I will use lots of expensive materials to ensure safe shipping.


Prizes
All of my lowballs will have prizes. Click below to find out what you could win!



I. What is this?

  • To put it simply, I am going to offer free bonus prizes in each of my lowballs.
  • Prizes will only be awarded if certain conditions are met.
II. How do I win?
  • This time around, prizes will be awarded if the lowball's financial goal is met.
  • There will be a small list of prizes in which the winners of each bundle will be allowed to choose one prize from.
  • First choice will be granted to whoever wins the more expensive bundle.
III. Can I win multiple times?
  • Yea! If you win both bundles, you get two freebies!
IV. What are the prizes?
  • Ah. The million dollar question. Just check the prize vault (coming soon) at the end of the auction.



[Key]

- Sealed
- Like New (Very few to no imperfections)
- Great (Few imperfections)
- Good (Some imperfections)
- Acceptable (Significant Imperfections - See picture.)
- Varied Conditions (Numerous items with varied conditions - See picture.)
- Actual Shipping Applies for this Item

*All items have been tested and are guaranteed in working condition*



GOAL: $60/100


Bid's Update to Post #: 27


Sega Dreamcast

1. CIB Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Dreamcast Console Bundle Pic 1, 2, 3 - aptanor $35
- 1 CIB Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Dreamcast Console
- 1 Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Controller
- 1 3rd Party Memory Card
- Web Browser 2.0 (Sealed)
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Sega Sports: NBA 2K
- Sega Sports: NFL 2K
- Frogger 2

Nintendo Entertainment System

2. CIB NES Collector's Game Bundle Pic 1, 2, 3, 4 - deadbodyman11 $25
- 1 CIB Break Time (missing manual)
- 1 CIB Championship Bowling
- 1 CIB Classic Concentration
- 1 CIB Golf
- 1 CIB Iron Sword 2: Warriors and Wizards
- 1 CIB Monopoly
- 1 CIB Paperboy
- 1 CIB Pinball Quest
- 1 CIB R.C. Pro-Am
- 1 CIB Side Pocket
- 1 CIB Vegas Dream
- 1 CIB Wheel of Fortune
- 1 CIB Yoshi

End of Lowball



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Old 11-04-2011, 08:55 PM   #2
Previous Lowballs

INVOICE DETAILS

[Key]

- Invoice Sent
- Paid
- Order Shipped
- Feedback Left
- Feedback Received

Name: items + shipping = total



aptanor: 35 + ?? = ??

CIB Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Dreamcast Console Bundle - $35
- 1 CIB Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Dreamcast Console
- 1 Black Limited Edition "Sega Sports" Controller
- 1 3rd Party Memory Card
- Web Browser 2.0 (Sealed)
- Sega Sports: NBA 2K
- Sega Sports: NFL 2K
- Frogger 2

deadbodyman11: 25 + 10.94 = 35.94

CIB NES Collector's Game Bundle - $25
- 1 CIB Break Time (missing manual)
- 1 CIB Championship Bowling
- 1 CIB Classic Concentration
- 1 CIB Golf
- 1 CIB Iron Sword 2: Warriors and Wizards
- 1 CIB Monopoly
- 1 CIB Paperboy
- 1 CIB Pinball Quest
- 1 CIB R.C. Pro-Am
- 1 CIB Side Pocket
- 1 CIB Vegas Dream
- 1 CIB Wheel of Fortune
- 1 CIB Yoshi




August's 1st "August" Lowball - 8/22/11

Contest Winners

(
Winner - Chosen Prize)

1st. predseth - N64 Micro Machines 64 Turbo

2nd. skiizim - N64 Revolt

3rd. predseth - N64 Big Mountain 2000

4th. jello44 - Xbox 360 Scorpion Avatar Outfit

5th. zenithyoda - 48 Hour Xbox Live Pass


Lowball Winners

(Item Cost + Shipping = Total)

[Complete] [Incomplete]
[I] - Invoice Sent
[P] - Paid
[S] - Shipped
[F] - Feedback Left
[*] - Feedback Recieved



aptanor - $2 + $3 = $5
[I]
[P] [S] [F] [*]
21. Metal Head - [A] Pic 1 - $2
-Complete in box


Ash Burton - $20 + $3 = $23
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
6. Secret of Mana BOX AND INSTRUCTIONS - [B] Pic 1, 2, 3 - $20
-Box
-Instructions
-Neat advertisement for Secret of Mana strategy guide.
-NO GAME INCLUDED!


buckythekat - $1 + $3 = $4
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
24. Brutal Legend -[A+] Pic 1 - $1
-Complete in box


bvharris - $2 + $3 = $5
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
29. Family Guy: Something, Something, Something, Dark Side - [A+] Pic 1 - $2
-Complete with Digital Copy


chefazn - $4 + $3 = $7
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
30. Michael Jackson's This Is It - [S] Pic 1 - $4
-Sealed/Brand New!


greencoman - $18 + $11.62 = $29.62
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
5. Super Mario World - [B] Pic 1, 2 - $3
Cart Only
20.
Game Gear Console BUNDLE! - [B] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - $15
-Sega Game Gear Console
-Sega Super Wide Gear Attachment
-Official Sega Game Gear Carrying Case (holds system, attachments and games)
-
GAME: Lion King, The
-
GAME: Majors Pro Baseball, The
-
GAME: Sonic the Hedgehog 2: Sonic and Tails
-GAME: Spider-Man/X-Men
-GAME: Super Columns
-GAME: Taz in Escape from Mars


H4Y4TO - $10 + $?? = $??
19. Sega Genesis Console (V. 1) COMPLETE IN BOX! - [B] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3 - $8
-First Generation Sega Genesis Console
-Original Box
-Original Styrofoam Packaging
-Controller
-AC and RF Adapter
-GAME: Sonic the Hedgehog (In box, but with no manual)
27. 5 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
-Official copies. Not knock offs.
28. 5 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
-Official copies. Not knock offs.


jello44 - $20 + $10.12 = $30.12
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
1. SNES Console - [A+] [AS] Pic 1, 2 - $20
Complete with 2 controllers, RF and AC Adapters.
FREE. Xbox Live Scorpion Avatar Outfit


mbgood - $7 + $3 = $10
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
3. Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past, The - [A+] Pic 1 - $7
Cart Only


papajoebear - $7 + $8.67 = $15.67
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
22. Sega Saturn Game BUNDLE! -[A] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3, 4 - $7
-Cyber Troopers Virtual On: Net Link Edition (Smaller Case, Complete)
-Daytona USA (Disc Only)
-Sega Aaes (Disc Only) (this game seems to be rare)
-Tunnel B1 (Complete in Box)
-Virtua Cop (Disc Only)
-Virtua Fighter (Smaller Case, Complete)



Potatoeman - $18 + $10.95 = $28.95
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
17. Playstation 2 Console (Fat) BUNDLE! - [A] [AS] Pic 1, 2- $18
-Playstation 2 Console (Fat)
-1 (Grey) Dualshock 2 Controller
-1 (Translucent Blue) Dualshock 2 Controller
-1 Standard Memory Card
-1 Yellow Memory Card
-AC Adapter and Composite Cables


predseth - $22 + $6 = $28
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
11. Mario Kart 64 - [A+] Pic 1 - $6
Cart Only
12. Mario Party - [A+] Pic 1 - $12
Cart Only
15. Super Mario 64 - [C] Pic 1 - $4
Cart Only
FREE. Micro Machines 64 Turbo
Cart Only
FREE. Big Mountain 2000
Cart Only


skiizim - $11 + $9 = $20
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
4. Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare, The - [A+] Pic 1 - $3
Cart Only

7. Blast Corps - [B] Pic 1 - $1
Cart Only
9. Glover - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
Cart Only
14. Space Invaders - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
Cart Only
16. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense - [A+] Pic 1 - $5
Cart Only
FREE. Revolt
Cart Only


Tsel - $11 + $6 = $17
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
25. Mass Effect -[B] Pic 1 - $7
-Complete in box
26. Soul Calibur IV -[C] Pic 1, 2 - $3
-Complete in box
31. Rocky Balboa - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
-Complete in box


xgrimx - $3 + $3 = $6
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
23. Assassin's Creed - [A] Pic 1 - $3
-Complete in box


zegota - $7 + $6 = $15
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
2. Donkey Kong Country - [A+] Pic 1 - $5
Cart Only
8. Excitebike 64 - [A+] Pic 1 - $1
Cart Only
13. Rayman 2: The Great Escape - [C] Pic 1 - $1
Cart Only


zenithyoda - $11 + $3 = $14
[I] [P] [S] [F] [*]
18. Red Dead Redemption - [A+] Pic 1 - $11
Complete in box
FREE. 48 Hour Xbox Live Pass




Last edited by AugustAPC; 01-04-2012 at 09:21 AM..
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:56 PM   #3
PREVIOUS LOWBALLS

August's 1st "August" Lowball - 8/22/11



Welcome to August's 1st "August" Lowball.

Start Date: 08/22
End Date: 09/02
End Time: Between 9:00 PM and 11:59 PM
Payments Accepted: Paypal

Lowball Rules: (Thanks dv8mad) UPDATE 8/23 - Calculated Shipping info...
Please read as their are changes!!



I. BIDDING
  • 1) Simply type in your max bid for the item(s) in this thread. No PMs. No Emails. Just reply in the forum reply section. This is to keep bids public. Obviously post edits and spoilers hiding bids are NOT acceptable. If you made a mistake in your submission, please post again.
  • 2) I will update the first page to reflect your bids as often as possible. Feel free to check the latest bids on the last page(s) if you are unsure of the latest update time.
  • 3) There is no minimum to win any item. You can win them for as little as you bid. So if you bid $1.00 and win it, it's yours for a $1.00 (plus shipping). If someone bids $5 and you outbid them for $10, you may win the item for your $10 bid and pay your bid plus shipping at the end of the sale.
  • 4) The smallest bid increment is $1.00, no $.10 or $.01 bids!
  • 5) Please note that you will be expected to pay the amount you bid plus appropriate shipping if you have the highest offer at the end. Negative feedback may be left for those who choose not to follow through with payment.
  • 6) If you place a bid, you are committing to that item. DO NOT place a bid if you do not intend to keep that bid active. While I understand that sometimes unavoidable circumstances arise, if you are fearful that this may happen, please wait to bid on the last day so you know that nothing unexpected occurred!
  • 7) It is your responsibility to make sure the item is of a condition to your satisfaction. Please ask any questions if you may have them and view the pictures of the items as well as their descriptions.
II. END OF AUCTION
  • I will not be posting the exact ending time, however, it will be between 9.00 PM and 11:59 PM (EST) on 09/02. Once I post saying AUCTION OVER - NO MORE BIDS ACCEPTED, that is it and nothing further will count.
III. Payment/Shipping

  • Payment is due within 1 week of closing. If you cannot make this schedule, please contact me before bidding.
  • If you win one item, shipping is $3. *Each additional item will be $1.50.
  • Heavier items will be charged actual shipping.
  • Orders with calculated shipping will be sent by either Parcel Post or Priority Mail as per your preference. (Please contact if you need further details.)
  • Your items will all be packed with extreme care. I will use lots of expensive materials to ensure safe shipping.


Win Free Prizes!
Just one bid could give you a chance to win free stuff! (See end of lowball for prizes).


I. What is this?
  • Put simply, I am offering free items for bidders to win for participating in my lowball!
  • There will be up to 6 winners!
  • Winners will choose one item from the Prize Vault to be added to their order!
II. How do I win?
  • 1st choice will be awarded to the bidder who spends the most in the auction.
  • 2nd choice will be awarded to the bidder who wins the most amount of items.
  • 3rd, 4th and 5th place will be awarded to raffle winners.
  • If my goal for this lowball is met, I'll choose a 6th winner from the raffle.
III. How do I win the raffle?
  • For every $5 you spend in this lowball, you will have your name entered into a raffle, in which 3 winners will be chosen from at the end of the lowball.
IV. Can I win multiple times?
  • Yes, you can win as many times as possible, allowing you to choose multiple items from the Prize Vault!
IV. What happens if I want the same prize as someone else?
  • Priority is given in a tiered fashion. See section II for the order in which priority is given.


[Key]
[S] - Sealed
[A+] - Like New (Very few to no imperfections)
[A] - Great (Few imperfections)
[B] - Good (Some imperfections)
[C] - Acceptable (Significant Imperfections - See picture.)
[AS] - Actual Shipping Applies for this Item

*All items have been tested and are guaranteed in working condition*


GOAL: $172/300


Super Nintendo Entertainment System
1. SNES Console - [A+] [AS] Pic 1, 2 - $20 jello44
Complete with 2 controllers, RF and AC Adapters.
2. Donkey Kong Country -
[A+] Pic 1 - $5 zegota
Cart Only
3. Legend of Zelda: A Link to The Past, The - [A+] Pic 1 - $7 mbgood
Cart Only
4. Simpsons: Bart's Nightmare, The - [A+] Pic 1 - $3 skiizim
Cart Only

5. Super Mario World - [B] Pic 1, 2 - $3 greencoman
Cart Only
6. Secret of Mana BOX AND INSTRUCTIONS - [B] Pic 1, 2, 3 - $20 Ash Burton
-Box
-Instructions
-Neat advertisement for Secret of Mana strategy guide.
-NO GAME INCLUDED!

Nintendo 64
7. Blast Corps - [B] Pic 1 - $1 skiizim
Cart Only
8. Excitebike 64 - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 zegota
Cart Only
9. Glover - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 skiizim
Cart Only
10. Mace: The Dark Age - [A+] Pic 1 -
Cart Only
11. Mario Kart 64 - [A+] Pic 1 - $6 predseth
Cart Only
12. Mario Party - [A+] Pic 1 - $12 predseth
Cart Only
13. Rayman 2: The Great Escape - [C] Pic 1 - $1 zegota
Cart Only
14. Space Invaders - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 skiizim
Cart Only
15. Super Mario 64 - [C] Pic 1 - $4 predseth
Cart Only
16. Vigilante 8: 2nd Offense - [A+] Pic 1 - $5 skiizim
Cart Only


Playstation 2
17. Playstation 2 Console (Fat) BUNDLE! - [A] [AS] Pic 1, 2 - $18 Potatoeman
-Playstation 2 Console (Fat)
-1 (Grey) Dualshock 2 Controller
-1 (Translucent Blue) Dualshock 2 Controller
-1 Standard Memory Card
-1 Yellow Memory Card
-AC Adapter and Composite Cables

Playstation 3
18. Red Dead Redemption - [A+] Pic 1 - $11 zenithyoda
Complete in box


Sega Genesis
19. Sega Genesis Console (V. 1) COMPLETE IN BOX! - [B] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3 - $8 H4Y4TO
-First Generation Sega Genesis Console
-Original Box
-Original Styrofoam Packaging
-Controller
-AC and RF Adapter
-GAME: Sonic the Hedgehog (In box, but with no manual)

Sega Game Gear
20. Game Gear Console BUNDLE! - [B] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 - $15 greencoman
-Sega Game Gear Console
-Sega Super Wide Gear Attachment
-Official Sega Game Gear Carrying Case (holds system, attachments and games)
-
GAME: Lion King, The
-
GAME: Majors Pro Baseball, The
-
GAME: Sonic the Hedgehog 2: Sonic and Tails
-GAME: Spider-Man/X-Men
-GAME: Super Columns
-GAME: Taz in Escape from Mars

Sega 32X
21. Metal Head - [A] Pic 1 - $2 aptanor
-Complete in box

Sega Saturn
22. Sega Saturn Game BUNDLE! - [A] [AS] Pic 1, 2, 3, 4 - $7 PapaJoeBear
-Cyber Troopers Virtual On: Net Link Edition (Smaller Case, Complete)
-Daytona USA (Disc Only)
-Sega Aaes (Disc Only) (this game seems to be rare)
-Tunnel B1 (Complete in Box)
-Virtua Cop (Disc Only)
-Virtua Fighter (Smaller Case, Complete)



Xbox 360
23. Assassin's Creed - [A] Pic 1 - $3 xgrimx
-Complete in box
24. Brutal Legend - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 buckythekat
-Complete in box
25. Mass Effect - [B] Pic 1 - $7 Tsel
-Complete in box
26. Soul Calibur IV - [C] Pic 1, 2 - $3 Tsel
-Complete in box
27. 5 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 H4Y4TO
-Official copies. Not knock offs.
28. 5 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 H4Y4TO
-Official copies. Not knock offs.


Blu-Ray
29. Family Guy: Something, Something, Something, Dark Side - [A+] Pic 1 - $2 bvharris
-Complete with Digital Copy
30. Michael Jackson's This Is It - [S] Pic 1 - $4 chefazn
-Sealed/Brand New!
31. Rocky Balboa - [A+] Pic 1 - $1 Tsel
-Complete in box

END OF LOWBALL



1. Final Fantasy IX Instruction Manual (Black Label)
2. Xbox Live 48 Hour Pass
3. Xbox Live 48 Hour Pass
4. Xbox Live Avatar Outfit
(Mortal Kombat - Scorpion)
5. 2 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases
6. 2 Xbox 360 Replacement Cases
7. N64 Game - Big Mountain 2000
8. N64 Game - Revolt
9. N64 Game - Micro Machines 64 Turbo
10. N64 Game - Rugrats In Paris The Movie


Last edited by AugustAPC; 12-12-2011 at 12:34 AM..
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Old 11-20-2011, 08:25 PM   #4
Just as a heads up, this is more than likely going to happen very early December. I probably won't be adding much else... so... yea. But anyway, if you are interested in bidding on either of these bundles, let me know... it'll solidify my decision to run this lowball.
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:02 PM   #5
at the NES Bundle, I'll be bidding heavily on it should you decide to go ahead with the lowball.
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Old 11-21-2011, 05:30 PM   #6
Could you switch the font color please?
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Old 11-21-2011, 06:05 PM   #7
What's wrong with it :|
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Old 11-21-2011, 07:18 PM   #8
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What's wrong with it :|
Can't see it against mobile background.
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Old 11-21-2011, 08:29 PM   #9
Black Dreamcast...
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Old 11-21-2011, 09:39 PM   #10
Right now we're lookin' at a December 1st start date.

Still would like to hear from others that are interested in the bundles.
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:43 PM   #11
I'm interested in both bundles.
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Old 12-02-2011, 06:40 PM   #12
We're gonna be starting within the next few days. The goal is gonna be 100 dollars. I feel that's pretty low... so I really hope I make it. Anyway, if the goal is met, I'll add some cool bonuses to both bundles for free!
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:13 PM   #13
WE ARE LIVE!

Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaase don't make me regret putting the black Dreamcast up here. It's so sexy.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:34 PM   #14
Your pictures are reversed. Dreamcast pics for NES, NES for Dreamcast.

Anyways, I'll start off by putting $5 on both bundles.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:39 PM   #15
lol, woops. Thanks for pointing that out. Fixed.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:39 PM   #16
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WE ARE LIVE!

Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaase don't make me regret putting the black Dreamcast up here. It's so sexy.
Just a little advice, but you might want to think about lowering down the number of days to 5 instead of 7. Given that there's only two items, you'll probably have a large lull in the bidding in a 7 day lowball. Just a thought though.

Also, to start you off on the right foot, $20 on the NES Bundle.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:42 PM   #17
$23 for NES. That is such a good bundle.
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Old 12-03-2011, 07:44 PM   #18
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Just a little advice, but you might want to think about lowering down the number of days to 5 instead of 7. Given that there's only two items, you'll probably have a large lull in the bidding in a 7 day lowball. Just a thought though.

Also, to start you off on the right foot, $20 on the NES Bundle.
Well, the main thing I wanted to do was have it end on Sunday night. I'm gonna be kinda busy for the next few days, so I just wanted to get it going. I'll probably do 4-5 day lowballs in the future, though. Thanks for the input.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:26 PM   #19
8 on dreamcast
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:30 PM   #20
That Dreamcast is awesome! Too bad I already have one.
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