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Also, for the lulz:

The RIAA Pirated $9 Million Worth of TV Shows The same RIAA that makes examples out of ordinary folks by suing them for millions of dollars for file sharing? Turns out someone there's been pirating full seasons of Dexter. Nine million dollars worth. Whoops!

http://gizmodo.com/5869321/dear-reco...ows-or-shut-up

These are the people you want to trust?

Originally Posted by Javery What about adapting with the times? So what if music becomes "free" - maybe that's the way it should be. Should Jay-Z and Lady Gaga really be among the highest paid people in the world? I don't begrudge them for it but would people really stop making music if all you could earn is $50,000 a year or something a normal person makes? Plus, there are plenty of other ways to make money as a band/entertainer. Same thing with movies - 3D may not be the ultimate answer to get people to go to the theater but at least it's something. I'm not saying pirating is right/moral/OK but of course the ones making millions and millions year after year who, by the way, also happen to have a MAJOR influence over politics and lawmakers, are going to throw a fit. SOPA is not the answer - I'm doubtful that there even is an answer other than to adapt. The cat is out of the bag.

Are you seriously with this? Alright Javery, I am going to say something that you wont like and this post will be full of irate jabs at you but know that I actually really like ya and think you are crazy smart.

Jay-z is more important to the world than you ever could be.

Lets go through this shall we. Note that these are gross under estimates.

Jay-Z
Manger
Producers, Directors
10 Audio Engineers, 10 Sound Techs, 10 Sound designers,
Drummers, Pianist, Guitarist, Singers, Dancers, Keyboards,
Live Lighting Engineers, Live Sound Engineers, Set Designers, Stage Designers, Stage Hands, Stage Mangers, Roadies, Cable Wranglers
Camera Ops, Projectionist, Laser Techs, FX, Graphic Designers, Web Designers, Web IT, PR Specialist, Writers, Lawyers, Accountants, Drivers, promoters, Event Planners, Party Companies, Clean up, the person who owns the venue, security, ticket takers, The people who work at your local energy company who provides electricity to run 400 thousand amps of gear, their techs, their customer service, the company that actually design and press the physically cd, etc etc etc.

And that not even including the thousand of people who build the gear that gets used....there is no reason to research and design microphones, cables, stages, lights etc etc if no one can buy them.

So tell me J? How many people do you employ around the world?


Yay...thought so. Yah, I love being told that my career isnt vital enough to the planet from 1 of 5 million ing lawyers walking around. I also love how you are not saying that people should stop making music you are just saying that people should stop being paid for it. If Jayz doesnt make money he then cant pay the thousands of people in over 40 professions.

How many days of the year do you work for free there J? How much do you make a year?

Whoever posted that Youtube video, that's some serious trippy shit.

And wikipedia is leaving GoDaddy. Donated $10 to wikimedia for doing the right thing.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg Jay-z is more important to the world than you ever could be.

You're more important in my world than Jay-z is, Jay-v.

Originally Posted by Strell You're more important in my world than Jay-z is, Jay-v.

Did Hova ever build a fully functioning arcade cabinet? no. He's a ing joke poser, he's hiphop's version of Martha Stewart.

Keep doin' what you do, Javery.

Copying isn't theft.

Nobody has a right to make money on their ideas, goods, or services.

Nobody owns an idea.

J's arcade cabinet is pretty sweet.

Originally Posted by camoor From what I've seen with artists, writers, etc - they get screwed more by entertainment companies then the fans.

This.

From what I seen with the common man they get screwed more by banks than congress. Its ok to walk in and take money out of the vault.

You see how that doesnt work in any other field.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg From what I seen with the common man they get screwed more by banks than congress. Its ok to walk in and take money out of the vault. You see how that doesnt work in any other field.

It's convenient that congress enacts legislation against the big bad scary media pirate, but they almost never go after the exploitative entertainment companies. That's all.

Media pirates have no great moral standing, but they are hardly worse then music execs. It's hard to feel sorry for your "victim" when this same victim owns most of congress and exploits people like you every day.

There are no winners here, but it's hardly a "what did you expect?" situation. I expected media companies to overreach, but I also expected congress to stand up for the people, for citizen rights, over undue powers of censorship. I'm sure there's a bill out there that gives a few more powers to media companies to track down pirates without resulting to SOPA's way-too-broad censorship powers and draconian punishments.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg Jay-Z Manger Producers, Directors 10 Audio Engineers, 10 Sound Techs, 10 Sound designers, Drummers, Pianist, Guitarist, Singers, Dancers, Keyboards, Live Lighting Engineers, Live Sound Engineers, Set Designers, Stage Designers, Stage Hands, Stage Mangers, Roadies, Cable Wranglers Camera Ops, Projectionist, Laser Techs, FX, Graphic Designers, Web Designers, Web IT, PR Specialist, Writers, Lawyers, Accountants, Drivers, promoters, Event Planners, Party Companies, Clean up, the person who owns the venue, security, ticket takers, The people who work at your local energy company who provides electricity to run 400 thousand amps of gear, their techs, their customer service, the company that actually design and press the physically cd, etc etc etc. ?

no offense but asinine. Jay-z isn't single handily responsible for any of that save a few PAs.

lol "Thank God for Jay-z. He is keeping the power company going, Never mind the millions of other customers". Get real


while we are at it. We might as well have a curfew 8pm every night because some people get up to no good.

Evolve or die. Look at how well all of these free to play games are doing on the PC and consoles. Companies have to come up with innovative pricing schemes to beat piracy and not just sue a few violators to set an example.

Originally Posted by Soodmeg Yeah SOPA does seem like it would destroy the internet....but you are doing that already by stealing so many things. Again, its one or the other. Clearly the internet cant self police so what other option does a company have? I am all for getting together and discussing what can be done but it doesnt seem like many internet users want to do that because the end result will make them face the fact that they do not have a "right" to steal whatever they want just because its digital. The internet brought this upon themselves so you cant get mad now you should have saw this coming when you were downloading 30g of torrents a day.

I know you've already expressed your opinion in subsequent posts, but I just wanted to point out that saying "but you are doing that already by stealing so many things." is ridiuclous when you consider that piracy has been around since before the public even had access to the internet. You're saying that something which has been around since the beginning, is going to kill the thing?No, the truth is that, like many other things, it was going on long before any of us knew, ti's just that now it's big enough that organizations like the RIAA and MPAA are making a stink about it. Frankly, if they really wanted to stop internet piracy they should have started a long, long time ago.

Very interesting

Reddit users, emboldened by their efforts to get Go Daddy to drop its support for the Stop Online Piracy Act, want to use their newfound political momentum to force a sitting senator out of office. The campaign, dubbed "Operation Cork Screw," hopes to oust Senator Bob Corker, one of 40 co-sponsors of the Protect IP Act, the Senate version of SOPA.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/24709...n_senator.html

Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it.


Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.

Originally Posted by Lice Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it. Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.

Be careful when attempting to estimate how much money is lost to piracy. The GAO succinctly addresses some of the problems in doing so in this report: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-10-423

Three widely cited U.S. government estimates of economic losses resulting from counterfeiting cannot be substantiated due to the absence of underlying studies. Generally, the illicit nature of counterfeiting and piracy makes estimating the economic impact of IP infringements extremely difficult, so assumptions must be used to offset the lack of data. Efforts to estimate losses involve assumptions such as the rate at which consumers would substitute counterfeit for legitimate products, which can have enormous impacts on the resulting estimates. Because of the significant differences in types of counterfeited and pirated goods and industries involved, no single method can be used to develop estimates. Each method has limitations, and most experts observed that it is difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the economy-wide impacts.

There are also positive benefits that are overlooked. They may not outweigh the negative effects overall, but I think the losses to piracy are vastly overstated.

It's still an objectively bad thing, just not as bad as certain groups would have you believe.

Originally Posted by Lice Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it. Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.

Even in a world without piracy, I doubt if he would have made half of that.

First of all, you have to consider how studios make money. If someone torrented it then they didn't care enough to see it in the theater or buy a professional DVD. For example I watched Source Code on netflix. Yeah the studio probably made a little coin on that but it's a far cry from box office or dvd sales money.

Secondly, how many of the downloaders actually paid to see the movie in the end? How many would have bought it if they couldn't torrent it? Would they even be able to get half of those downloaders to acquire it legallly as you opine (doubtful)

It's a big impressive number but it's fairly illusory.

Originally Posted by camoor very interesting http://www.pcworld.com/article/24709...n_senator.html

HA HA Operation CORK SCREW

Originally Posted by Lice Most downloaded movies and how much was lost to it. Its stuff like source code. Great movie, deserved to get that money. If it had half of that, it would of been looked at as more of a success. Duncan Jones is proving to be a great upcoming director story wise, just not box office wise. Kind of a shame.

Actually, that's not a chart of downloads and how much was lost...but a chart of downloads and how much the movie grossed wordwide. Source Code didn't lose 123 million from pirates, it made 123 million total Link.