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Big Business | TJ Taylor | KO | Round 2 at 3:47


Fight was basically a technical slugfest if that makes sense. I got rocked in the first and ended up rocking him at the end of the round. Second round I rocked him again but didn't finish... I have a bad habit of really just going wild when I have my opponent rocked a couple times. Didn't get the finish and was getting hit going to wild...ended up landing a right hand that stunned him and was dropping him to his knees but then I landed a left hook that put him out cold...it was a pretty sweet knockout.

I just now actually created Tabasco Smothernuts. His height is 6'4" and his reach is 78".

EDIT: And he's from Guadalajara, Mexico. Age 24.

Hooray for repeated submission attempts from on your back to avoid getting pummeled and then taunting. Otherwise, it was a fun fight.

Chris Jordan l Tabasco Smothernuts l TKO l 3:38 of Rd. 2

Originally Posted by Matt Young Hooray for repeated submission attempts from on your back to avoid getting pummeled and then taunting. Otherwise, it was a fun fight. Chris Jordan l Tabasco Smothernuts l TKO l 3:38 of Rd. 2

I tried two submissions in a row because you kept transitioning into north/south. I was getting my ass handed to me the entire fight and had to slow you down somehow. It's pretty realistic.

The taunting was for a quick laugh. I was at 85% head damage when I did that. I expected you to knock me out on the next hit so why not laugh?

Hey Shotgunshine,

I'm ready when you are! Looks like you said after 11? I'll try to be on then!

All right, I guess we need to seriously address submissions off the back. I want to discuss it like any other potential exploit is discussed in any game. The case can always be made that it's "part of the sport". However, if it's implemented poorly in the game...then it becomes unfair to use. For example, in Madden 12, QB sneaks were largely considered to be a guaranteed 2-3 yard pick up almost every time. So, regardless of whether or not they're a realistic part of football, it became unfair for people to use them.

With the ease that submissions are engaged, it's not unreasonable to question their validity. This becomes ESPECIALLY apparent for subs attempts off the back when you're in a more vulnerable position. And most certainly, when they reach a point of being used as a means to "block" and limit damage, that becomes even more questionable. shotgunshine did some research and proposed that merely holding back on the right stick will block submission attempts infinitely.

The problem I have with that is that there is very little warning before a submission attempt. It's not like stuffing a takedown...or even blocking a transition, where you get visual cues to let you know it's coming. The fighter on top should not have to just sit there holding the right stick in fear of a submission that could pop up out of nowhere. If there was some kind of struggle, or hell, even a stick twirling contest to at least ENGAGE the sub, I wouldn't have any problem with it. But knowing that the fighter on bottom can just click the stick whenever he feels like it is going to lead to fights where the fighter on top is afraid to do anything, so he's just going to lay and pray.

As with any potential exploit, I am 100% open to suggestions and counter arguments on this, but I just see it headed in that direction...which in my opinion, becomes a very "ranked style" fight. For those who feel that it is not exploitable, your task is to teach the rest of us how to avoid it. If you can't defend your stance by showing people how to reasonably defend the technique, then you have no case. I don't want any mud slinging or accusations to come out of this. I just want to seriously discuss it so we can come to a compromise that we all think is fair and we're all happy with.

Originally Posted by Fearia Hey Shotgunshine, I'm ready when you are! Looks like you said after 11? I'll try to be on then!

I never said a specific time but im pretty open most of tonight.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports All right, I guess we need to seriously address submissions off the back. I want to discuss it like any other potential exploit is discussed in any game. The case can always be made that it's "part of the sport". However, if it's implemented poorly in the game...then it becomes unfair to use. For example, in Madden 12, QB sneaks were largely considered to be a guaranteed 2-3 yard pick up almost every time. So, regardless of whether or not they're a realistic part of football, it became unfair for people to use them. With the ease that submissions are engaged, it's not unreasonable to question their validity. This becomes ESPECIALLY apparent for subs attempts off the back when you're in a more vulnerable position. And most certainly, when they reach a point of being used as a means to "block" and limit damage, that becomes even more questionable. shotgunshine did some research and proposed that merely holding back on the right stick will block submission attempts infinitely. The problem I have with that is that there is very little warning before a submission attempt. It's not like stuffing a takedown...or even blocking a transition, where you get visual cues to let you know it's coming. The fighter on top should not have to just sit there holding the right stick in fear of a submission that could pop up out of nowhere. If there was some kind of struggle, or hell, even a stick twirling contest to at least ENGAGE the sub, I wouldn't have any problem with it. But knowing that the fighter on bottom can just click the stick whenever he feels like it is going to lead to fights where the fighter on top is afraid to do anything, so he's just going to lay and pray. As with any potential exploit, I am 100% open to suggestions and counter arguments on this, but I just see it headed in that direction...which in my opinion, becomes a very "ranked style" fight. For those who feel that it is not exploitable, your task is to teach the rest of us how to avoid it. If you can't defend your stance by showing people how to reasonably defend the technique, then you have no case. I don't want any mud slinging or accusations to come out of this. I just want to seriously discuss it so we can come to a compromise that we all think is fair and we're all happy with.

I don't see a problem going for it one time. If you immediately do it after that then your just spamming. I'll only attempt a sub off my back if my opponent's stamina is low...i'll try it one time and if its blocked or they get out of the sub then im not going to bother doing it again. There is no reason to keep trying it again and again after that.

I did two sub tries within 30 seconds of each other. I only did this before no matter what I did, I couldn't get off the back. I didn't spam the attempts. He did in fact make my face into hamburger between attempts. My dodging had little effect and each time I tried to push off of posture him back, he drove me back down.

I can't believe one fight would cause so much debate. My stamina was in the red each time due to being pounded and being continuously pushed down. I did it as a legitimate slowdown. I half expected to be knocked out each time he tossed a punch.

I'll be more than happy to offer a rematch for the next card. I'm more than willing to give him the satisfaction. I'm not good at this game and I can admit that.

I didn't mean to start a huge thing and I know Calispo's new. I was just very irritated since I felt I had that fight won.

Originally Posted by urmomlikesme Hey Pure apathy, when are you available to make our fight? I'll be available today and tomorrow until about 3 pm central. Or later at night around 11. Wednesday late afternoon and night works for me.

Do you want to play tonight around 11?

Originally Posted by Matt Young I didn't mean to start a huge thing and I know Calispo's new. I was just very irritated since I felt I had that fight won.

Your last sentence sums up my entire experience on UFC: U3 online. No matter what I do online, I can own someone an entire match and get rocked and TKO'd in 15 seconds.

Reminds me though of the events I've attended that had fights simliar and how some realism is in UFC: U3. UFC 109, UFC 116, UFC 118 I've been to in person with simliar fights. Hopefully UFC 148 in Vegas has Sonnen beating in Silva's teeth.

Justin Kane | Troy Alvarez | TKO | Round 3 at 1:10


Our first match disconnected after the first round. Started it up again and I got beat down for the most part...I couldn't get into a good rythmn...got dropped like three times and also rocked three times...in the second round my head damage was insane...I kind of started making a bit of a comeback towards the end of the round but the writing was already on the wall...got rocked one final time in the third, a couple follow up punches and that was it...good fight.

Justin Kane | Troy Alvarez | TKO | 1:10 (Round 3)

I have to say, I was very upset because during our first match I thought I was doing pretty good / winning. After it d/ced between round 1 and 2, I went "FUCK! He's totally going to win now! FUCK FUCK FUCK!". Luckily, I had another strong start. I managed to get him cornered and get some very decisive heavy hitting punches in.

Come round 2, he started to get me to the ground and I began to get worried again. I lucked out by making sure I didn't spam transitions (which took a lot of self control, because I kept going "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD!"). Near the end of round 2, I thought I had it but was terrified of the come back. My stamina was rapidly depleting, so I tried to slow it down and that's when I started to take some heavy hits.

Round 3 came, and I was terrified I was going to be too gassed to finish things. I decided I had to finish it now, otherwise he'll get a comeback and destroy me. I managed to rock him with nearly 0 energy left. I struggled with myself. Do I keep hitting him?! What if he gets back up?! I'll be dead! 1. *Deep breath* 2. "OH PLEASE GO OUT!" 3. "OH GOD, NO! PLEASE GO OUT! OH, HERB DEAN! YES! HERB DEAN!"

So, I'm left with this question. Who paid Shotgunshine to lose? I know one of you did it, fess up!

Originally Posted by Fearia Justin Kane | Troy Alvarez | TKO | 1:10 (Round 3) I have to say, I was very upset because during our first match I thought I was doing pretty good / winning. After it d/ced between round 1 and 2, I went "FUCK! He's totally going to win now! FUCK FUCK FUCK!". Luckily, I had another strong start. I managed to get him cornered and get some very decisive heavy hitting punches in. Come round 2, he started to get me to the ground and I began to get worried again. I lucked out by making sure I didn't spam transitions (which took a lot of self control, because I kept going "OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD!"). Near the end of round 3, I thought I had it but was terrified of the come back. My stamina was rapidly depleting, so I tried to slow it down and that's when I started to take some heavy hits. Round 3 came, and I was terrified I was going to be too gassed to finish things. I decided I had to finish it now, otherwise he'll get a comeback and destroy me. I managed to rock him with nearly 0 energy left. I struggled with myself. Do I keep hitting him?! What if he gets back up?! I'll be dead! 1. *Deep breath* 2. "OH PLEASE GO OUT!" 3. "OH GOD, NO! PLEASE GO OUT! OH, HERB DEAN! YES! HERB DEAN!" So, I'm left with this question. Who paid Shotgunshine to lose? I know one of you did it, fess up!

LOL...I noticed after you rocked me the last time you hesitated a couple of seconds wondering if you should try to finish it or let you stamina back up...I was hoping you would wait...even though you were completely gassed my head damage was too much and I knew I was done for.

Pablo Garcia | Corky Buchek | TKO | Round 1 at 4:11


Very fun fight. Just a wild slugfest while it lasted. I was able to get some counters off sways that did good damage.

Originally Posted by shotgunshine Pablo Garcia | Corky Buchek | TKO | Round 1 at 4:11.

Confirming.

In regards to the submission off the back debate:

What it comes down to is why are these submissions being considered banned? Is there a true threat of someone winning off their back when losing the fight that gives them an unfair advantage? What happens if someone spams submissions, or attempts an ill advised submission?

I don't see submissions off the back as being a "bad thing". Like I said before, unless it's not equalized stats, you're not stacking submission offense / defense to make an unfair advantage. All things considered, if we were both at full stamina with no damage done and I attempted a submission from the back, it's not going to end well.

1) The submission is 99% not going to land. As a result . . .
2) You gain position.
3) I'm now gassed, albeit, so are you . . . but I'm gassed with you in a clearly dominant position. (IE: From being in my full guard, you are now in side control)

From what I remember, it's also not as easy as "just hitting a stick". If you try to do a submission at the wrong time, it doesn't just lock on. From my understanding, and I may be wrong here, you have to actually be in the right position AND time it right (ie: the person you are attempting to submit is trying to land a hit, transition, or is in a non-dominant position ala rubber guard). And if you do a submission from the back unsuccessfully, you are about to be paying for that mistake.

Seeing as the mini game isn't the easiest to land unless you're at a distinct advantage of having a lot more stamina, I really don't see the issue. If someone wants to disadvantage themself by attempting a submission from the back, I say let them. And then I'll knee them to the stomach to make them pay.

Originally Posted by Fearia In regards to the submission off the back debate: What it comes down to is why are these submissions being considered banned? Is there a true threat of someone winning off their back when losing the fight that gives them an unfair advantage? What happens if someone spams submissions, or attempts an ill advised submission? I don't see submissions off the back as being a "bad thing". Like I said before, unless it's not equalized stats, you're not stacking submission offense / defense to make an unfair advantage. All things considered, if we were both at full stamina with no damage done and I attempted a submission from the back, it's not going to end well. 1) The submission is 99% not going to land. As a result . . . 2) You gain position. 3) I'm now gassed, albeit, so are you . . . but I'm gassed with you in a clearly dominant position. (IE: From being in my full guard, you are now in side control) From what I remember, it's also not as easy as "just hitting a stick". If you try to do a submission at the wrong time, it doesn't just lock on. From my understanding, and I may be wrong here, you have to actually be in the right position AND time it right (ie: the person you are attempting to submit is trying to land a hit, transition, or is in a non-dominant position ala rubber guard). And if you do a submission from the back unsuccessfully, you are about to be paying for that mistake. Seeing as the mini game isn't the easiest to land unless you're at a distinct advantage of having a lot more stamina, I really don't see the issue. If someone wants to disadvantage themself by attempting a submission from the back, I say let them. And then I'll knee them to the stomach to make them pay.

I got sub'd tonight in an online match in less than 2 minutes. Equal stats, sim energy. He just did it better than I did. I didn't complain. I got him down with a takedown, he subbed me from the bottom. Was I shocked? Sure as shit I was, but he's better at the mini-game than I am.

Prior to the sub I knocked him around like my bitch. Got him on his back and he took me to town.

FYI, if anyone has an issue with my victory tonight I'll just leave the CAGFC. I play to have fun, but if I'm going to catch shit for trying to submit or try to slowdown from the bottom screw it. I play to have fun, not to get an e-boner.

If you have equal stats and both have high stamina and you get caught in a sub then your probably not that good at the mini game...not saying anything bad about you...I was terrible at it for the longest time.

It might also depend the position..if hes on his back doing it then he shouldn't get it...if hes has your back and goes for a choke or is in mount then it might be a little tougher.