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Originally Posted by slidecage anyone know why they just keep showing the kid as 12 year old picture why not show him what he looked at 17 instead of 12 all the time

How about this one. It was taken about a week before he was killed.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer Because the younger pics don't make him out to look like a 'gangsta' since I believe one of the ones showing him at 17 showed him wearing a 'grill' in his mouth.

Not to mention the one of the WRONG Trayvon Martin that went around that was started by the fine folks at ing Stormfront.

They're trying to make him out to be the poor lil innocent kid and Zimmerman as the big, bad, evil 'white'(actually half Hispanic as you can tell from some of the pics) guy who shot and killed this poor kid who was just minding his own business.

Martin WAS innocent and did nothing to deserve being killed by Zimmerman. So he had an empty baggie that had weed in it. Big ing deal. Millions of people smoke weed and aren't gunned down on the streets with bag of skittles and some iced tea. And no you can't tell Zimmerman is half LATINO from his pics. That only came out after his father sent a letter to the local newspaper. What the do you think Martin was doing that night?

But hey, it's not like Zimmerman has a history of violence with the police, got fired from jobs for being too aggressive, has a history of domestic violence, sent letters to neighbors telling them to look out for black men, called 911 an inordinate amount of times, or any other number of things that led Zimmerman to racially profile Martin, follow him, and ultimately killing him.

Or at least that's what Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton/whatever other nosey know-it-alls want you to believe.

You mean unlike Stormfront that used false images, the right wing media that propogated them, or the actual Nazi's currently doing armed patrols in the neighborhood? Give me a ing break.

I still do NOT understand how this has become such a national case with so much media attention. There are hundreds(thousands) of other murders in this country on a yearly basis with fishy circumstances surrounding them. I guess the news media needed another 'tragedy' to bring up ratings?

Or maybe because the cops tried to sweep it under the rug and Zimmerman would've walked if not for the uproar? You know what happens with most murders? They get prosecuted and the cops usually don't around with it.

Originally Posted by slidecage sort of shocked if this was really a HIGH crime area they wouldnt have video cameras posted you know for a FACT you will never know what really happened 100% its just sad that two people lives are over one is dead and one will never come out of this the same

Yeah, but the one that's still alive is the one that killed the other. That's totally the same thing amirite?

Originally Posted by Purple Flames Actually, that was a picture of another guy with the same name in a blatant attempt at character assassination on the victim. There's an actual picture of Travon from about week before the shooting a page or two back.

I didn't know since I've been avoiding the nightly news and trying(in vain) to skip over the articles about this story in the newspaper due to all of the over coverage of it. I mean, I do feel bad because someone lost their life, but again it's one killing out of hundreds/thousands.

Originally Posted by Msut77 http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/2012...tact-with-him/

Probably for the best... the lastest events aren't making Zimmerman look good and that guy that speaks first and uses the word counsel and contact a half dozen times sound like an idiot

Originally Posted by dohdough Martin WAS innocent and did nothing to deserve being killed by Zimmerman. So he had an empty baggie that had weed in it. Big ing deal. Millions of people smoke weed and aren't gunned down on the streets with bag of skittles and some iced tea. And no you can't tell Zimmerman is half LATINO from his pics.

None of us were there, so we can't say for certain if the victim acted aggressively or not towards Zimmerman.

As for not being able to tell that Zimmerman is half Hispanic from the pics, I guess I'm the only one that noticed he's a lil more 'brown' in one of the pics released of him? But I guess you'd say that makes me a 'racist' for pointing that out, right?

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer None of us were there, so we can't say for certain if the victim acted aggressively or not towards Zimmerman.

Did you listen to or read the transcript of the 911 call? We know for a ing fact that Martin did nothing to provoke Zimmerman into following him into the community. The incident didn't start when Zimmerman said he got beat within an inch of his life, which looks to be bullshit from the perp-walk videos, but when Zimmerman started following Martin. Even if Martin attacked Zimmerman, it would be in self defense because he allegedly knew he was being followed from the testimony of his girlfriend that he happened to be on the phone with the entire time.

You're doing a lot of white knighting here.

As for not being able to tell that Zimmerman is half Hispanic from the pics, I guess I'm the only one that noticed he's a lil more 'brown' in one of the pics released of him? But I guess you'd say that makes me a 'racist' for pointing that out, right?

Maybe because it's racist? Especially since Florida is known as The Sunshine State? As in there's a lot of sun, it's hot, and people usually have tans? Or maybe not every white person is as pale as a ghost? Or maybe not every Latino has a darker complexion? Do you really think that your statement is a legitimate argument for this ethnicity?

Originally Posted by dohdough Did you listen to or read the transcript of the 911 call? We know for a ing fact that Martin did nothing to provoke Zimmerman into following him into the community. The incident didn't start when Zimmerman said he got beat within an inch of his life, which looks to be bullshit from the perp-walk videos, but when Zimmerman started following Martin. Even if Martin attacked Zimmerman, it would be in self defense because he allegedly knew he was being followed from the testimony of his girlfriend that he happened to be on the phone with the entire time. You're doing a lot of white knighting here.

Yep. That's me. Because I care(not really) about this case because of all of the oversaturation of media coverage. It's like OJ 2.0. I'm just waiting for Geraldo to do a profile on George Zimmerman on Faux News and get a virtual hard-on for keeping this case going for his ratings for years to come like he did with OJ. I mean, it is tragic that a young man lost his life. But no amount of outside interference is going to get the D.A. in FL to suddenly file charges on Zimmerman unless they feel they're warranted.

Apparently since they haven't done so as of yet they do NOT feel it is appropriate to file. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? But like I said before, good luck if Zimmerman gets charged, since he will NEVER be able to get a fair trial ANYWHERE with all of the media coverage that this case has received.

Maybe because it's racist? Especially since Florida is known as The Sunshine State? As in there's a lot of sun, it's hot, and people usually have tans? Or maybe not every white person is as pale as a ghost? Or maybe not every Latino has a darker complexion? Do you really think that your statement is a legitimate argument for this ethnicity?

I never said I was a PC person. Matter of fact, I kinda pride myself on not feeling I have 'label' people as -American and just speaking plainly as to what I feel I see. That's the problem with Amerika anymore. People sugar coat everything to not hurt other people's feelings or not be politically incorrect.

But because I said the guy looks Hispanic in his mugshots or some of the photos they've released of him that's suddenly not true because you say it isn't? How about the fact that they've said his mother was from Peru originally? Not to mention the fact that Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic on his voter registration forms?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1387711.html

On voter registration forms, George Zimmerman identified himself as Hispanic, as did his mother. His father, Robert, listed himself as white on voter registration forms. Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, is originally from Peru.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer Yep. That's me. Because I care(not really) about this case because of all of the oversaturation of media coverage. It's like OJ 2.0. I'm just waiting for Geraldo to do a profile on George Zimmerman on Faux News and get a virtual hard-on for keeping this case going for his ratings for years to come like he did with OJ. I mean, it is tragic that a young man lost his life. But no amount of outside interference is going to get the D.A. in FL to suddenly file charges on Zimmerman unless they feel they're warranted.

Actually, all of the public uproar was exactly what made the cops not only start taking it more seriously, but the DA as well. Or perhaps you didn't notice that the police chief and state DA had to step down while the DOJ started it's own investigation in the case and department itself?

Apparently since they haven't done so as of yet they do NOT feel it is appropriate to file. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty in this country? But like I said before, good luck if Zimmerman gets charged, since he will NEVER be able to get a fair trial ANYWHERE with all of the media coverage that this case has received.

He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; not in public opinion. The fact is this is a miscarriage of justice because if the cops didn't try to sweep this under the rug and progressively ing everything up, this case wouldn't have blown up the way i did.

I never said I was a PC person. Matter of fact, I kinda pride myself on not feeling I have 'label' people as -American and just speaking plainly as to what I feel I see. That's the problem with Amerika anymore. People sugar coat everything to not hurt other people's feelings or not be politically incorrect.

Yeah, it's not like those terms were created to replace ch*nk, g**k, n****r, f*g, sp*c, or any other "politically incorrect" term. You seem to be a little miffed that you can't use those terms. You also lack the knowledge to properly categorize what you see, so maybe you shouldn't.

But because I said the guy looks Hispanic in his mugshots or some of the photos they've released of him that's suddenly not true because you say it isn't? How about the fact that they've said his mother was from Peru originally? Not to mention the fact that Zimmerman lists himself as Hispanic on his voter registration forms? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1387711.html

Did you read that link? It doesn't support your argument. Not to mention that self-identification is more complex than what they put on their voter registration.

Originally Posted by dohdough How about this one. It was taken about a week before he was killed. Not to mention the one of the WRONG Trayvon Martin that went around that was started by the fine folks at ing Stormfront. Martin WAS innocent and did nothing to deserve being killed by Zimmerman. So he had an empty baggie that had weed in it. Big ing deal. Millions of people smoke weed and aren't gunned down on the streets with bag of skittles and some iced tea. And no you can't tell Zimmerman is half LATINO from his pics. That only came out after his father sent a letter to the local newspaper. What the do you think Martin was doing that night? But hey, it's not like Zimmerman has a history of violence with the police, got fired from jobs for being too aggressive, has a history of domestic violence, sent letters to neighbors telling them to look out for black men, called 911 an inordinate amount of times, or any other number of things that led Zimmerman to racially profile Martin, follow him, and ultimately killing him. You mean unlike Stormfront that used false images, the right wing media that propogated them, or the actual Nazi's currently doing armed patrols in the neighborhood? Give me a ing break. Or maybe because the cops tried to sweep it under the rug and Zimmerman would've walked if not for the uproar? You know what happens with most murders? They get prosecuted and the cops usually don't around with it. Yeah, but the one that's still alive is the one that killed the other. That's totally the same thing amirite?

dont even know why taking the time to even comment on your comment since you already made up your mind already and even if somehow they would come out with a tape showing it the other way around you would say

THE TAPE IS FAKE ...

lol sweep it under the rug .. hate to break it to you but there is tons more of this crap going the other way that is sweep under the rug everyday in every city.


thanks for the pic grab though first pic i seen of them not looking like 11


I dont see why the parents using a 12 year old picture saying THIS IS WHO THEY KILLED IS WRONG that is why its all ed up in the first place

Originally Posted by dohdough Actually, all of the public uproar was exactly what made the cops not only start taking it more seriously, but the DA as well. Or perhaps you didn't notice that the police chief and state DA had to step down while the DOJ started it's own investigation in the case and department itself?

You're right. I didn't notice any of that since as I said I really haven't been following this that closely. Anytime I see coverage on it I change the channel. I'm kinda sick of the oversaturation of coverage.

He's innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; not in public opinion. The fact is this is a miscarriage of justice because if the cops didn't try to sweep this under the rug and progressively ing everything up, this case wouldn't have blown up the way i did.

Exactly. In a court of law. But with the way you responded earlier, he was clearly the aggressor(none of us were there) and guilty in your mind of killing an 'innocent' young man in cold blood. Let's let the courts decide Zimmerman's fate.

Yeah, it's not like those terms were created to replace ch*nk, g**k, n****r, f*g, sp*c, or any other "politically incorrect" term. You seem to be a little miffed that you can't use those terms. You also lack the knowledge to properly categorize what you see, so maybe you shouldn't.

Sorry. But maybe I grew up in an era when people were called black, Chinese, etc without having to hyphenate every single stupid thing. As for me being mad that I can't use racial epithets, again that is your opinion, just like already making George Zimmerman out to be 100% guilty before he even goes to trial.

Did you read that link? It doesn't support your argument. Not to mention that self-identification is more complex than what they put on their voter registration.

Nah. I just saw the segment that seemed to confirm my classification of Zimmerman and ran with it. Oh well.

Originally Posted by slidecage dont even know why taking the time to even comment on your comment since you already made up your mind already and even if somehow they would come out with a tape showing it the other way around you would say THE TAPE IS FAKE ...

Sounds like you've made up your mind that Martin is responsible for his own death...almost as if he deserved it.

If there's a tape where Martin attacked Zimmerman first, Martin would be covered under Stand Your Ground because Zimmerman followed and pursued him by his own admission on the 911 call.

lol sweep it under the rug .. hate to break it to you but there is tons more of this crap going the other way that is sweep under the rug everyday in every city.

Sanford PD has a history of problems when it comes to racism. Or do you think that the Feds are there for vacation?

Define "going the other way." This isn't the OT forum. People expect you to explain yourself in vs.

thanks for the pic grab though first pic i seen of them not looking like 11 I dont see why the parents using a 12 year old picture saying THIS IS WHO THEY KILLED IS WRONG that is why its all ed up in the first place

You're right. It's wrong that his parents needed to drum up support to make the justice system work. The police coerced witness statements, ignored other witnesses, the DA ignored the lead investigators recommendation for manslaughter, lied to Martin's parents about Zimmerman's "relationship" with the police, the police chief made comments that implied that Martin was responsible for being killed, the state DA had to recuse himself, and now the Feds are looking into the case and the department.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer You're right. I didn't notice any of that since as I said I really haven't been following this that closely. Anytime I see coverage on it I change the channel. I'm kinda sick of the oversaturation of coverage.

So instead of learning about the facts in the case, you decide that your opinion carries more weight that someone that's been following it since the beginning? Yeah, I'm sick of ignorant posters that shit up the thread every couple days too.

Exactly. In a court of law. But with the way you responded earlier, he was clearly the aggressor(none of us were there) and guilty in your mind of killing an 'innocent' young man in cold blood. Let's let the courts decide Zimmerman's fate.

How is Zimmerman not the aggressor when we have his own statements on the 911 stating that he was following Martin by car and then exiting his vehicle to pursue him on foot?

Of course I think he's guilty as and I'm not deciding his fate. He should go through the courts, which hasn't ing happened and if you paid more attention, that's what his family and a vast majority of supporters are calling for.

And why did you put quotes on innocent? Is Martin guilty of some crime that justifies his murder?

Sorry. But maybe I grew up in an era when people were called black, Chinese, etc without having to hyphenate every single stupid thing.

Or maybe you should've paid more attention to what was going on around you and realize that it's because of racism that new classifications needed to be added to our lexicon.

As for me being mad that I can't use racial epithets, again that is your opinion, just like already making George Zimmerman out to be 100% guilty before he even goes to trial.

You think it's dumb for people wanting to classify themselves in a more non-racist way and make racist comments, so if the shoe fits. I also don't think that Zimmerman is guilty of 1st degree murder. He didn't go out looking to kill a black person, but that doesn't mean that he didn't racially profile Martin, followed him by car, followed him on foot, and ultimately killing him. After the perp-walk video and witness statements, there's very little(more like none) evidence that Zimmerman was getting his head smashed into cement to the point of unconsciousness for about a minute that lead to Martin being killed on someone's lawn.

Nah. I just saw the segment that seemed to confirm my classification of Zimmerman and ran with it. Oh well.

Why am I not surprised...

Originally Posted by dohdough How is Zimmerman not the aggressor when we have his own statements on the 911 stating that he was following Martin by car and then exiting his vehicle to pursue him on foot? Of course I think he's guilty as and I'm not deciding his fate. He should go through the courts, which hasn't ing happened and if you paid more attention, that's what his family and a vast majority of supporters are calling for. And why did you put quotes on innocent? Is Martin guilty of some crime that justifies his murder?

Once again, none of us were there, so our opinions mean exactly squat in the grand scheme of things. But judging by this response, you have already made up your mind and are trying to get everyone else to think just like you do. Yet again, we were not there, so there is no way to tell if the victim fought with him or not. Not every assault results in highly visible marks.

Or maybe you should've paid more attention to what was going on around you and realize that it's because of racism that new classifications needed to be added to our lexicon.

Yeah. Because we 'need' to add the word -American to every racial group, even though most of them(minus illegal immigrants) are ALREADY Americans. I don't believe people should use racial epithets, but I see no issue using the tried and true terms like black to describe members of a racial group. If that's racist, then you really need to relax since there's more important things to worry about in life other than titles we give people.

You think it's dumb for people wanting to classify themselves in a more non-racist way and make racist comments, so if the shoe fits. I also don't think that Zimmerman is guilty of 1st degree murder. He didn't go out looking to kill a black person, but that doesn't mean that he didn't racially profile Martin, followed him by car, followed him on foot, and ultimately killing him. After the perp-walk video and witness statements, there's very little(more like none) evidence that Zimmerman was getting his head smashed into cement to the point of unconsciousness for about a minute that lead to Martin being killed on someone's lawn. Why am I not surprised...

So following someone who is not a resident in your neighborhood after a series of break-ins is now considered racial profiling? Wow. That's stretching it a bit to fit your definition, isn't it? In my area, we've had a number of break-ins and even home invasions recently, so many so that I've been having trouble sleeping at night. So you better believe if I see someone I don't recognize in my neighborhood I'm going to watch them. So I guess if the strangers I watch just happen to be black, that makes me a racist and I'm profiling them, right?

You can be all legalistic when Zimmerman faces a trial, before that you are just pulling the same shit.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer Once again, none of us were there, so our opinions mean exactly squat in the grand scheme of things. But judging by this response, you have already made up your mind and are trying to get everyone else to think just like you do. Yet again, we were not there, so there is no way to tell if the victim fought with him or not. Not every assault results in highly visible marks.

Getting your head pounded into cement for almost a minute to the point of unconsciousness would land you on a stretcher in an ambulance making a B line to the closest hospital for tests and observations, not a ride in the back of a cruiser in which you get out without any assistance with no blood or visible injuries. We're not talking a paper cut here; we're talking a possible concussion with a broken nose from which he was reportedly clearly bleeding from as well as from the back of the head. Not to mention that the funeral director said that he didn't see any sign of trauma on Martin's hands.

These are literally reported facts of the case. It literally does not matter if Martin threw the first punch. And honestly, I couldn't give a shit if there was a fight and the only way Zimmerman would be justified is if Zimmerman never followed him and was attacked out of the blue, but it's undisputable that Zimmerman not only followed him in his car, but got out to chase him by ing foot. I must've repeated this at least 15 times in this thread and you think this is some silly opinion on par with yours?

Yeah. Because we 'need' to add the word -American to every racial group, even though most of them(minus illegal immigrants) are ALREADY Americans. I don't believe people should use racial epithets, but I see no issue using the tried and true terms like black to describe members of a racial group. If that's racist, then you really need to relax since there's more important things to worry about in life other than titles we give people.

Those undocumented immigrants are usually Americans too, but you still feel like using loaded language so what's your point? N****r was a tried and true term as well. And a lot of times, that label would mean your death, so yeah, it's pretty ing important. More important than your need to ignorantly classify people according to how YOU want instead of how THEY want.

So following someone who is not a resident in your neighborhood after a series of break-ins is now considered racial profiling? Wow. That's stretching it a bit to fit your definition, isn't it? In my area, we've had a number of break-ins and even home invasions recently, so many so that I've been having trouble sleeping at night. So you better believe if I see someone I don't recognize in my neighborhood I'm going to watch them. So I guess if the strangers I watch just happen to be black, that makes me a racist and I'm profiling them, right?

If that means being suspicious of every black person you don't know that comes walking down the street like Zimmerman? Then yes. If you associate criminality with black people, then double yes. Do you think Zimmerman followed every single stranger and called the cops on them? .No.

Originally Posted by dohdough Getting your head pounded into cement for almost a minute to the point of unconsciousness would land you on a stretcher in an ambulance making a B line to the closest hospital for tests and observations, not a ride in the back of a cruiser in which you get out without any assistance with no blood or visible injuries. We're not talking a paper cut here; we're talking a possible concussion with a broken nose from which he was reportedly clearly bleeding from as well as from the back of the head. Not to mention that the funeral director said that he didn't see any sign of trauma on Martin's hands.

So if Zimmerman was clearly bleeding from the nose and the back of his head, then that means that Martin may have assaulted him in the manner that was reported.

These are literally reported facts of the case. It literally does not matter if Martin threw the first punch. And honestly, I couldn't give a shit if there was a fight and the only way Zimmerman would be justified is if Zimmerman never followed him and was attacked out of the blue, but it's undisputable that Zimmerman not only followed him in his car, but got out to chase him by ing foot. I must've repeated this at least 15 times in this thread and you think this is some silly opinion on par with yours?

It doesn't matter if Martin threw the first punch? According to who? If Martin threw the first punch, then yes, that does make HIM the aggressor. But again, neither of us were there that night, so we don't know who did what in what order.

As for Zimmerman following Martin by car and then by foot, you're telling me that if in your neighborhood a bunch of houses were broken into and then you saw someone who was NOT from your neighborhood that you wouldn't find that at all suspicious and want to make sure they weren't there to cause trouble? I know I certainly would.

Those undocumented immigrants are usually Americans too, but you still feel like using loaded language so what's your point? N****r was a tried and true term as well. And a lot of times, that label would mean your death, so yeah, it's pretty ing important. More important than your need to ignorantly classify people according to how YOU want instead of how THEY want.

Undocumented, huh? As opposed to what? We have borders. These folks crossed said borders without doing so legally(you know, at the border crossings with documentation) and stay here until they are apprehended by INS officials and sent back to their countries of origin.

If that means being suspicious of every black person you don't know that comes walking down the street like Zimmerman? Then yes. If you associate criminality with black people, then double yes. Do you think Zimmerman followed every single stranger and called the cops on them? .No.

I associate someone strange wandering around my neighborhood as something to be suspicious of. If they happen to be black, white, Asian or whatever it makes no difference to me. I'm suspicious of EVERYBODY I don't know because of all of the fine reporting in this country scaring the ever living shit outta me, making me think there's a boogeyman behind every bush waiting to invade my home. So yeah I'll profile anybody I need to to make sure my house, my family and my shit is safe.

Man, you know shit be getting crazy when slidecage shows up.

Originally Posted by IAmTheCheapestGamer So if Zimmerman was clearly bleeding from the nose and the back of his head, then that means that Martin may have assaulted him in the manner that was reported.

The fact that Zimmerman was NOT rushed to the hospital, his clothes were free of clearly visible bloodstains from an alleged attack, and the perp-walk video of his head, how the hell can you conclude that he was in a life-threatening fight for his life?

It doesn't matter if Martin threw the first punch? According to who? If Martin threw the first punch, then yes, that does make HIM the aggressor. But again, neither of us were there that night, so we don't know who did what in what order.

Is there a reason why you're being so obtuse? If Martin threw the first punch, then why would he throw a punch at all? Just to beat up some random guy in a car? So Zimmerman gets to use self defense, but Martin doesn't? How the hell do you square that? Even after testimony from Martin's girlfriend saying that he was scared because he was being followed?

You're asking questions that have been answered for weeks and then ignoring them. For what? Just to voice an uninformed opinion because there's the slimmest of chances that you might be right and can say "I told you so?" despite actual evidence to the contrary?

As for Zimmerman following Martin by car and then by foot, you're telling me that if in your neighborhood a bunch of houses were broken into and then you saw someone who was NOT from your neighborhood that you wouldn't find that at all suspicious and want to make sure they weren't there to cause trouble? I know I certainly would.

I'm not a paranoid freak that's suspicious of everyone I don't know that might want to take my shit, which is highly unlikely. My home was actually broken into while my family were in it when I was a child. Twice. I still don't have this overwhelming fear of having a home invasion despite that. Hell, I live in a condo complex with 100 units and I know maybe 15 faces max. Should I be suspicious of everyone I don't know? Would it even make any sense to be?

Undocumented, huh? As opposed to what? We have borders. These folks crossed said borders without doing so legally(you know, at the border crossings with documentation) and stay here until they are apprehended by INS officials and sent back to their countries of origin.

If you can use loaded language, so can I. And since I'm sure you know nothing about "illegal immigration," close to half of them are visa overstays. Getting a visa means it's legal entry. So yeah, undocumented is applicable in more than one way. There's also disproportionate enforcement when it comes to undocumented workers with tans. I'm going to toss you a bone and am glad that you didn't say "illegal aliens."

I associate someone strange wandering around my neighborhood as something to be suspicious of. If they happen to be black, white, Asian or whatever it makes no difference to me. I'm suspicious of EVERYBODY I don't know because of all of the fine reporting in this country scaring the ever living shit outta me, making me think there's a boogeyman behind every bush waiting to invade my home. So yeah I'll profile anybody I need to to make sure my house, my family and my shit is safe.

Or maybe you just shouldn't be so paranoid. You know what helps? Actually educating yourself on these issues. Since you find that your brain's been programmed into it's current state and know that it's faulty, it's time for you to deprogram yourself into a more contemplative person instead of a knee-jerking ignoramus.

Originally Posted by Clak Man, you know shit be getting crazy when slidecage shows up.

Sheeeit...and people have the balls to call ME gargus!

Originally Posted by dohdough The fact that Zimmerman was NOT rushed to the hospital, his clothes were free of clearly visible bloodstains from an alleged attack, and the perp-walk video of his head, how the hell can you conclude that he was in a life-threatening fight for his life?

Maybe they gave him time to clean himself up?

Is there a reason why you're being so obtuse? If Martin threw the first punch, then why would he throw a punch at all? Just to beat up some random guy in a car? So Zimmerman gets to use self defense, but Martin doesn't? How the hell do you square that? Even after testimony from Martin's girlfriend saying that he was scared because he was being followed?

It could be that Zimmerman asked Martin what he was doing there after getting out of his car to follow him and Martin made a snide remark, an argument ensued and then Martin took a swing. Again this is going into the realm of conjecture because neither of us were there.

I'm not a paranoid freak that's suspicious of everyone I don't know that might want to take my shit, which is highly unlikely. My home was actually broken into while my family were in it when I was a child. Twice. I still don't have this overwhelming fear of having a home invasion despite that. Hell, I live in a condo complex with 100 units and I know maybe 15 faces max. Should I be suspicious of everyone I don't know? Would it even make any sense to be?

It's just who I am. Not to mention all of the people who decided to take short cuts through our yard. But the best example of why I'm suspicious of other people is when I wasn't home the one night, someone tried opening our front door by jiggling the handle and my family(stupidly) opened the door soon after that thinking it was me n I forgot my keys. Soon after that my family saw a shadow on the side of the house. So yeah, considering someone actually tried getting into my house at least once that we know of, I'm of the mindset that all strangers coming by/near my house are potential burglars.

Or maybe you just shouldn't be so paranoid. You know what helps? Actually educating yourself on these issues. Since you find that your brain's been programmed into it's current state and know that it's faulty, it's time for you to deprogram yourself into a more contemplative person instead of a knee-jerking ignoramus.

Sure thing. Right after I teach myself to be a PC racial hyphenating gentleman who learns 10 languages so I can speak with every immigrant I encounter in their native language instead of hoping they know MY language of English.