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Originally Posted by Curufinwe According to the Bombcast, "Arrival" is the ME2 DLC that you need to play before starting ME3. Not because it's good, but because its story leads directly into the beginning of ME3.

This is what I thought Wombat was going to mention. Instead he talked about the Shadow Broker DLC which honestly is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme. I've played ME3 on PC importing a ME2 file without DLC and on 360 with a ME2 file that did all the DLC and it really doesn't impact the shadow broker stuff at all. However, they sort of just casually mention that you destroyed a mass relay and killed tons of batarians without any context whatsoever if you didn't play the Arrival DLC.

EDIT: Also, the shadow broker is a HE in the context that poster described him. Unless Wombat considers this a woman.

Originally Posted by DragoonKnight This is what I thought Wombat was going to mention. Instead he talked about the Shadow Broker DLC which honestly is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme. I've played ME3 on PC importing a ME2 file without DLC and on 360 with a ME2 file that did all the DLC and it really doesn't impact the shadow broker stuff at all. However, they sort of just casually mention that you destroyed a mass relay and killed tons of batarians without any context whatsoever if you didn't play the Arrival DLC. EDIT: Also, the shadow broker is a HE in the context that poster described him. Unless Wombat considers this a woman.

That is not my Shadow Broker in ME3

You directly responded to a quote that was referencing the Shadow Broker in ME1 and ME2, which that Shadow Broker is. Please stop referring to YOUR Shadow Broker because everyone's Shadow Broker is exactly the same. Which is why I am arguing the DLC does not change the canon at all.

Originally Posted by DragoonKnight You directly responded to a quote that was referencing the Shadow Broker in ME1 and ME2, which that Shadow Broker is. Please stop referring to YOUR Shadow Broker because everyone's Shadow Broker is exactly the same. Which is why I am arguing the DLC does not change the canon at all.

And he ignored me too when I pointed out the same and just said his Shadow Broker is a girl. Never let facts get in the way of an opinion I guess.

Originally Posted by DragoonKnight You directly responded to a quote that was referencing the Shadow Broker in ME1 and ME2, which that Shadow Broker is. Please stop referring to YOUR Shadow Broker because everyone's Shadow Broker is exactly the same. Which is why I am arguing the DLC does not change the canon at all.

Wait, so if you don't do the Shadow Broker DLC, that weird alien creature is still the shadow broker in ME3? Cause if it isn't, and it's now Liara, then that's changing canon.

Well, more like, happening off panel canon I guess...

Liara is the Shadow Broker in ME3 no matter what. Which is the whole point of the dlc does NOT "change the canon". It just gives you insight into how she became the SB.

Originally Posted by 4thHorseman Wait, so if you don't do the Shadow Broker DLC, that weird alien creature is still the shadow broker in ME3? Cause if it isn't, and it's now Liara, then that's changing canon. Well, more like, happening off panel canon I guess...

Liara is always the Shadow Broker. That's the canon. No matter what you do she will always be the Shadow Broker. Just because something happens off-screen doesn't change the fact that it's still the canon.

Originally Posted by DragoonKnight Liara is always the Shadow Broker. That's the canon. No matter what you do she will always be the Shadow Broker. Just because something happens off-screen doesn't change the fact that it's still the canon.

Yes, then you are right, that is the canon. Still how she took over it is a large plot point, that I can see being confusing for someone who hasn't played the DLC. Which was more of the point I was trying to make.

I was also confused as you guys made it sound as though you still had the old Shadow Broker in your ME3 game.

Originally Posted by DragoonKnight Liara is always the Shadow Broker. That's the canon. No matter what you do she will always be the Shadow Broker. Just because something happens off-screen doesn't change the fact that it's still the canon.

Then the same applies with the Arrival. Happened off screen, but it still happened and is now canon.

I think the main complaint is player canon. If they go into ME3 expecting the Shadow Broker as a mysterious character in space like a more secretive Illusive Man, then suddenly it's Liara...then that's a sudden WTF happened moment that isn't explained. Or at least I'm guessing it isn't explained.

Originally Posted by Wombat Yes, then you are right, that is the canon. Still how she took over it is a large plot point, that I can see being confusing for someone who hasn't played the DLC. Which was more of the point I was trying to make. I was also confused as you guys made it sound as though you still had the old Shadow Broker in your ME3 game.

In fairness to you, you said Ben Gilbert brought the point up. So he was the one who was actually wrong and you just believed him.

Originally Posted by 4thHorseman Then the same applies with the Arrival. Happened off screen, but it still happened and is now canon. I think the main complaint is player canon. If they go into ME3 expecting the Shadow Broker as a mysterious character in space like a more secretive Illusive Man, then suddenly it's Liara...then that's a sudden WTF happened moment that isn't explained. Or at least I'm guessing it isn't explained.

They explain it in a "Oh yeah by the way I'm the Shadow Broker now" kind of way.

The arrival DLC you piece together as the game goes on. I think it's somewhere in the Codex as well.

It's pieced together pretty well for the most part. But having the dlc or not does not radically change the ME3 experience, which maybe some people were expecting.

That Baldur's Gate remake is coming to the iPad.

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What day/days are you planning on attending MLG and do you intend to bring your Vita? My guess is if you bring your Vita you'll be able to figure out NEAR or--at the very least--witness NEAR explode upon checking in...

Cheapy you compared the ending of ME3 to an author who writes an ending to his book and I do not think you get the point. First I would like to say you need to beat the game before you comment about anything regarding the ending but with that said:

This was the ending of a TRILOGY. We were promised answers and closure for the entire series. This wasn't just one game. All us loyal fans got was a big shit on our faces with the promise of a new ending for $9.99. Fans are upset because and they should be upset because they paid $60 for a final ending to the trilogy and instead got a slap in the face instead.

If I go to a restaurant and order a burger and they bring me a taco instead, I am gonna complain about it. That is what Bioware pulled.

I agree with CheapyD on Robot Alchemic Drive being awesome, but I don't agree that a remake or sequel should be "westernized". Robot Alchemic Drive parodies a lot of the older robot anime stereotypes, so much so that the voice acting was intentionally terrible. I even recall a news reporter in the game having a ridiculously over-the-top Japanese accent. Anyway, it's a great game, and I recommend it to everyone if you can find a cheap copy at GameStop or something.
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Good show.

I really don't wan to be a dick but...

You still giving away that copy of Naruto guys, I'd wouldn't mind taking it off your hands.

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Warren Sapp said it was Shockey.

Originally Posted by ZombieJeebus Warren Sapp said it was Shockey.

Eh I don't think a retweet from Warren Sapp is confirmation. It would not be a huge surprise if it was him but its nothing solid

When it comes to ME 2 DLC showing up in my ME3 game, it doesn't matter in my opinion. See, I went and bought ME 2 DLC and various points in time. What ended up happening is I would play the game as character X, but never bothered with the DLC with character Y because I didn't want to play it again.

As a result I played through ME3 without shadow broker DLC acknowledgement in ME3 and I was fine with it. They did a nice job explaining what happened and I was like "Oh that Drell I had no attachment to died" oh well. The only thing you are missing I'm sure is about 15-20 minutes of dialogue and war assets from all the ME 2 DLC put together.

The reason I'm sure that they did this is because of ME 2 on PS3 which had all DLC included on the blu ray disc except "The Arrival" DLC if I remember correctly. I bet they figured people playing on the PS3 would be like "WTF happened to so and so" Since it was part of the game for them. I like that they included the ME 2 DLC and don't worry about feeling left out on content because you didn't buy ME 2 DLC. The missions still happen, it's just that Person A or B isn't present just like the people who died during the suicide mission in ME 2.