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Originally Posted by Sway Do you know the criteria for how the list is populated? Is it the number of units sold, the amount of revenue, or some other metric? I can see the titles on sale not moving much if its based on the revenue.

No, but I can't imagine that it's done by revenue. That seems like an odd stat to base that sort option on. Remember that the sale isn't really mentioned anywhere on Xbox.com and it wasn't in the Sales & Specials section on the dashboard for a while. It's buried in the Sales & Specials rotator behind the FIFA 12 DLC, the Rush for Gold sweepstakes, and a Black Ops GoD sale, so it's advertised about as much as I'd expect and it's done about as well as I'd expect a sale of this caliber.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 Anyone doing the Cheeve Challenge for this week? I don't know how to play Magic so I'm kind of S.O.L.

Nope. already have 200G on N+, but i have no interest in game like Magic and still don't have these Pinball FX 2 tables. I wish they include only two games in Cheeve Challenges.

Talking about Pinball FX - which 800MSP pack is the best from these - Marvel Collection, Core Collection, Marvel : V&V, Marvel: Avengers Chronicles?
Damn, the game is soo addictive, but too expensive. :0
So far i bought Classic Collection and bunch of 200MSP tables.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 Why does Magic 2013 only have 200 gamerscore available? I thought 400 was mandatory starting in June.

Also there are bunch of upcoming XBLA with only 200G as well - Warlords, Frogger, Realms of Ancient War.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 Anyone doing the Cheeve Challenge for this week? I don't know how to play Magic so I'm kind of S.O.L.

If I can get a cheap Magic 2013 code I will definitely give it a shot. I already have the Marvel Avengers pinball pack (those three achievements should be very easy).

Originally Posted by Sath666 Nope. already have 200G on N+, but i have no interest in game like Magic and still don't have these Pinball FX 2 tables. I wish they include only two games in Cheeve Challenges. Talking about Pinball FX - which 800MSP pack is the best from these - Marvel Collection, Core Collection, Marvel : V&V, Marvel: Avengers Chronicles? Damn, the game is soo addictive, but too expensive. :0 So far i bought Classic Collection and bunch of 200MSP tables. Also there are bunch of upcoming XBLA with only 200G as well - Warlords, Frogger, Realms of Ancient War.

I've been so impressed with Avenger Chronicles it's crazy! It feels like they built them to be just a little bit easier, which is great for a casual player like me who wants to feel like he's succeeding at the game!

Also, 200G on N+? That's impressive, that game is so obnoxiously difficult.

Originally Posted by tylerh1701 Also, 200G on N+? That's impressive, that game is so obnoxiously difficult.

It's not easy, but was nothing like Super Meat Boy - this game almost make me throw my controller haha. Still managed to get 200G there as well.
I stopped with achievement hunting for last year - it's a huuge time sink.

Originally Posted by Sath666 It's not easy, but was nothing like Super Meat Boy - this game almost make me throw my controller haha. Still managed to get 200G there as well. I stopped with achievement hunting for last year - it's a huuge time sink.

Ha, lucky. I can't stop being an achievement whore. Gotta have atleast 500 GS+ on every retail game I buy. It ruins a majority of the fun, that comes with any game.

I've been waiting a while but looks like it may never happen again...
Any chance of Mass Effect 2 DLC's going on sale anytime soon? Thoughts?

Originally Posted by Royal High Knight Ha, lucky. I can't stop being an achievement whore. Gotta have atleast 500 GS+ on every retail game I buy. It ruins a majority of the fun, that comes with any game.

How does it ruin the fun? (just curious)

Originally Posted by Royal High Knight Ha, lucky. I can't stop being an achievement whore. Gotta have atleast 500 GS+ on every retail game I buy. It ruins a majority of the fun, that comes with any game.

That's not good. I'm an achievement whore but I won't do anything that doesn't seem fun or interesting to me. There are games where all I'm missing is collectible achievements to get 1000 and I'm okay with that because collectable achievements are so damn tedious and just not fun.


Now in the case of SMB, that's a whole different feeling. That's fun in an anger inducing way and so rewarding when you do see a achievement pop. Achievements have added so much replay to my games but I can see where people make it more work than fun.

Originally Posted by locolukah How does it ruin the fun? (just curious)

I can identify with what he's saying. Before I started paying attention to achievements I would pick up the game and play it like I want to play it. Now with the achievements, I have to have my laptop by my side when I play to make sure I don't miss any achievements. I basically change the way I play games to a more structured very inflexible way. With my backlog I never have the time (or really desire) for a second playthrough, so I have to try to get everything on the first one. Sometimes it feels more work than fun.

People skip out on fun games because the achievements aren't easy to get? Wow

Originally Posted by locolukah How does it ruin the fun? (just curious)

For me I know there has been a few games I have started on higher than default difficulty for the achievements, and I'm horrible at most games, so that's always frustrating. Also, for games like Alan Wake, personally at least, it can ruin the flow and atmosphere of the game if you wandering in circles looking for collectables.

Originally Posted by locolukah How does it ruin the fun? (just curious)

Originally Posted by ooga I can identify with what he's saying. Before I started paying attention to achievements I would pick up the game and play it like I want to play it. Now with the achievements, I have to have my laptop by my side when I play to make sure I don't miss any achievements. I basically change the way I play games to a more structured very inflexible way. With my backlog I never have the time (or really desire) for a second playthrough, so I have to try to get everything on the first one. Sometimes it feels more work than fun.

Yeah, I can identify too. I will skim the achievements before playing a game, but I do my best not to allow them to ruin a game. I don't use collectible guides the first time through because I know that would ruin the fun in the game. I will look up which achievements are missable (the Roadmaps on x360a are a lifesaver) so I can try to grab those the first time I play through. Like ooga, there's a very small chance that any of my games are gonna get more than 1 playthrough.

The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

I feel the same way. A good game is a good game. However, I am finding that some games really just stand the test of time. I used to like the original Sonic games when I was a kid, but I can't stand them now. However, Sonic Adventure was never a good game. IMHO it was the start of Sonic's fall from grace. He just couldn't make the transition to polygonal 3D.

Haha I can identify with all the achievement whores. I'm sitting at about 81% completion percentage right now with over 114,000 GS.

Originally Posted by GUNNM People skip out on fun games because the achievements aren't easy to get? Wow

I have skipped many games because of hard achievements. My first consideration when buying a game is obviously how good I think it will be but a close second is the achievements. If they're way to hard I won't buy the game (unless it is a must have game), if they're way to easy I won't pay a lot for the game.

I've also bought a decent amount of pretty crappy games when they dropped down to a cheap ass price just for the achievements.

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

I disagree completely. Games just don't age well. Other than a handful of amazing exceptions any game over 10-15 or so years old is complete garbage in my book even though I loved plenty of them when I played them back in the day.

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

People can't change their opinion in 12 -13 years?

Xbox hurry up and lift your 4MB limit ban on Arcade titles DLC so we can get the Pinball Arcade DLC tables already. Do it!

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

There are a number of reasons, but camera and controls can be a big one. I loved the RE games back on the original playstation, but I played Code Veronica a couple months ago, and while not a bad game by any stretch, it did not age well as the controls were hard to get used to again. Maybe it's just me, but it seems sprite based games age much better than their 3D counterparts.

Originally Posted by thenutman69321 I disagree completely. Games just don't age well. Other than a handful of amazing exceptions any game over 10-15 or so years old is complete garbage in my book even though I loved plenty of them when I played them back in the day.

That's hyperbole on your part. You mean to tell me that a good game from 1997-2002 wouldn't be enjoyable now? I don't buy it. Games haven't changed that much except for graphics and we all know that there's more to a game than how it looks.

The vast majority of games in Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network are from that time period and way before it. If all these old games were so terrible that wouldn't be the case now would it? No one would be buying such horrible software.