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Originally Posted by JStryke There are a number of reasons, but camera and controls can be a big one. I loved the RE games back on the original playstation, but I played Code Veronica a couple months ago, and while not a bad game by any stretch, it did not age well as the controls were hard to get used to again. Maybe it's just me, but it seems sprite based games age much better than their 3D counterparts.

The bolded part of your post is my point in a nutshell and what frustrated me somewhat about the Sonic Adventure reviews. I understand that the development of games must evolve and do evolve (for some more than others). At the same time that doesn't mean that the things that made a game from the past enjoyable are no longer there or conversely that the problems from before still aren't bothersome.

For the reviewers to do a complete 180 on Sonic Adventure makes me wonder if they were expecting a different game or something. I looked up reviews for other games from the past that have been remade for Xbox Live or other systems and I can't find one where the perception from the past version to the current has shifted so radically. It makes me wonder why that was the case.

Originally Posted by matrix9280 That's hyperbole on your part. You mean to tell me that a good game from 1997-2002 wouldn't be enjoyable now? I don't buy it. Games haven't changed that much except for graphics and we all know that there's more to a game than how it looks. The vast majority of games in Xbox Live Arcade and Playstation Network are from that time period and way before it. If all these old games were so terrible that wouldn't be the case now would it? No one would be buying such horrible software.

Yes I am saying that most games I played pre 2000 or so and liked I absolutely hate now. I'm just talking my personal opinion and it's not hyperbole at all. Like I said there are exceptions but that is how I feel about the vast majority of games pre PS2 era.

Graphics are a huge part of what has changed but it is definitely not the only thing. Gameplay itself has changed vastly as well. Look at an NES Mario game and a newer Mario game or NES Metal Gear and a Playstation area Metal Gear or GTA 1 and any GTA after 3. I'm sure there are way more examples but those are just 3 I can think of off the top of my head of series who's gameplay has changed vastly over the years. Gameplay is always changing.

Originally Posted by pureheat101 I've been waiting a while but looks like it may never happen again... Any chance of Mass Effect 2 DLC's going on sale anytime soon? Thoughts?

No clue, but I've been waiting as well. I'm hoping with the extended cut DLC dropping next week maybe they'll throw a sale on with that? Or maybe the 4th of July? But really, no one knows. I just finished ME2, and am waiting on the dlc before heading into ME3, so a sale can't come soon enough for me.

I love to get 100% achievement on games I really like. I usually just play the game once to beat it and if I like it I will play it again trying to get all of the cheevos on a higher difficulty.

Also; I think a lot of people look back on Sonic Adventure and see it a the beginning of the end for the Sonic brand.

Doesnt does the platinum hits of me 2 have all the dlc?

Originally Posted by Royal High Knight Doesnt does the platinum hits of me 2 have all the dlc?

The PS3 port has most of the DLC except for Arrival and the costume packs and stuff. There is no Xbox 360 version with the DLC included.

mass effect 2 dlc has been on sale atleast twice already

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

Going from PS1, Saturn and N64 games to Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast was mind-blowing back in 1999.

Today, not so much. It's just another 3D platformer with poor controls and bad camera angles.

Originally Posted by Ryuukishi The PS3 port has most of the DLC except for Arrival and the costume packs and stuff. There is no Xbox 360 version with the DLC included.

thanks bro. Guess it was just mass effect 1 PH that included the dlc.

Have they announced what the next sale will include?

Originally Posted by matrix9280 The people that reviewed Sonic Adventure are either hypocrites or liars. How can the same game that people were saying was great back when it first came out say that it's horrible now. I don't accept that. A good game is a good game is a good game. If I was a gold member I would buy the game.

You typed this on purpose? I'd give a rebuttal, but everyone else took care of it for me. After your trolling efforts in the Fable Heroes thread, I can see that you have trouble accepting other people's viewpoints. That's not good.

Originally Posted by killer9 Has been announced what the next sale will include hopefully more games on demand

Source?

Originally Posted by Curleh Mustache Source?

Re-read that. He asking, not telling.

Originally Posted by ZForce915 Re-read that. He asking, not telling.

His lack of sufficient words to make a full sentence and punctuation certainly work to obscure the intended meaning!

Originally Posted by Chrono Gear I feel the same way. A good game is a good game. However, I am finding that some games really just stand the test of time. I used to like the original Sonic games when I was a kid, but I can't stand them now. However, Sonic Adventure was never a good game. IMHO it was the start of Sonic's fall from grace. He just couldn't make the transition to polygonal 3D.

That view I can definitely respect if not necessarily agree with. After going through the game the same problems that were around back then didn't go anywhere. It's still a good game though. No way it should have gotten a 48 on Metacritic. I have a couple of reasons why that may have happened. but I'm basically done with this issue so I won't get into it. Looks like I'll be playing a lot more game demos and looking a lot less at so-called expert critics.

Originally Posted by eastx You typed this on purpose? I'd give a rebuttal, but everyone else took care of it for me. After your trolling efforts in the Fable Heroes thread, I can see that you have trouble accepting other people's viewpoints. That's not good.

I've expounded on that post. If you want to post holding petty grudges and making personal attacks on my character you're wasting your time.

Sonic hasn't aged well. The formula was novel at the time when the Genesis was a processing beast compared to its peers, but once that was no longer the case you were just left with a poor platformer with increasingly annoying characters.

I just finished Sonic Generations and found the 3D parts absolutely brutal (no fun at all), and found the 2D parts OK.

Sonic 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but i just don't think there has been a good sonic game after the Genesis era.

I dunno, I think Sonic Adventure was good at the time. It had many obvious problems like falling off of ledges too easily, crummy cameras, the extremely stilted and childish dialogue, Big the Cat, Knuckles' levels, etc. but it still had a lot of gameplay and heart. The XBLA version should have been updated with widescreen support, but otherwise it's a good port. However, I don't see people who don't have nostalgia for the original enjoying it very much due to the aforementioned problems.

Originally Posted by eastx His lack of sufficient words to make a full sentence and punctuation certainly work to obscure the intended meaning!

He's saving them for a really good post someday.

Originally Posted by killer9 Have they announced what the next sale will include?

It wouldn't be Monday without this question.