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Originally Posted by jza1218 Giants send QB Kurt Warner Age 40 Overall 89 Throw Power 90 Short Throw Accuracy 98 Medium Throw Accuracy 95 Deep Throw Accuracy 91 Awareness 97 1 year/1 year remaining 2013: $8 million No Bonus Cap room: $13.26 million Patriots send QB Ryan Mallet Age 25 Overall 79 Throwing Power: 98 Short Throw Accuracy: 88 Medium Throw Accuracy: 88 Deep Throw Accuracy: 82 Awareness: 42 4 years/2 years remaining 2013: 800 K 2014: 960 K Bonus: 800K Cap room: $20.23 million Giants looking for a younger QB while the Patriots are looking for an upgrade. While I acknowledge the difference in overall, I feel the difference in age makes up for it.

Trade Rejected

This was a tough one, with opinions all over the place. Ultimately, looking at Mallet's stats, he's a lot better than his 79 OVR would indicate (which is basically caused by his 42 AWR). You could almost argue that in terms of skill, they're not too far apart. When you factor in Warner's contract and the possibility that his age could cause him to be a one year rental, it just felt a bit unbalanced. The suggestion was made of the Giants adding a 4th or 5th round pick to help make it a little more even.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Trade Rejected This was a tough one, with opinions all over the place. Ultimately, looking at Mallet's stats, he's a lot better than his 79 OVR would indicate (which is basically caused by his 42 AWR). You could almost argue that in terms of skill, they're not too far apart. When you factor in Warner's contract and the possibility that his age could cause him to be a one year rental, it just felt a bit unbalanced. The suggestion was made of the Giants adding a 4th or 5th round pick to help make it a little more even.

I'd agree with that evaluation.

I'd add a fifth if that's what's needed to get it done. But given how late it is, I'm not sure there's enough time.

when going to progress a player, if you dont see a certain trade upgrade does that mean that it is leveled up all the way?

Originally Posted by billymcdugal when going to progress a player, if you dont see a certain trade upgrade does that mean that it is leveled up all the way?

Yes. Assuming it is a relevant stat to that players position.

Originally Posted by Konfusion Yes. Assuming it is a relevant stat to that players position.

righti just didnt see the ability to add many traits with fitzgerald so i was curious

Originally Posted by jza1218 I'd add a fifth if that's what's needed to get it done. But given how late it is, I'm not sure there's enough time.

Not necessarily. The only reason it took so long the first time was because we were widely divided at first. One person passed it, but didn't feel good about it, another thought it favored the Patriots, and another thought it favored the Giants. In a way, this sort of made me want to just approve it, but the idea that nobody felt good about it didn't seem like a valid reason for passing it.

Working it into something that more people could get on board with seemed like a better idea. If you want me to send it on to the committee again with the 5th, we can do that. But of course, if either you or the Pats play your game before it gets put through, it would void the trade.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Not necessarily. The only reason it took so long the first time was because we were widely divided at first. One person passed it, but didn't feel good about it, another thought it favored the Patriots, and another thought it favored the Giants. In a way, this sort of made me want to just approve it, but the idea that nobody felt good about it didn't seem like a valid reason for passing it. Working it into something that more people could get on board with seemed like a better idea. If you want me to send it on to the committee again with the 5th, we can do that. But of course, if either you or the Pats play your game before it gets put through, it would void the trade.

Well obviously I'll wait to hear from the committee to play, I can pm the pats and see if they can hold off.

Originally Posted by jza1218 Well obviously I'll wait to hear from the committee to play, I can pm the pats and see if they can hold off.

Well, he hasn't answered my PMs yet about availability, so I'm assuming he wants to get this deal done before we play.

If the deal does get done, I might be the first NFL team ever to play the same QB in back to back games with that QB being on different teams.

Kinda late on this, but anyone need a Fullback? I've got Greg Jones (from Jaguars) up on the block, 88 overall. Looking for offensive linemen (tackles in particular), linebackers or cornerbacks. Get in contact quick if you're interested, don't want to miss the deadline

Dolphins 17 - Patriots 10

I messaged New England and informed them of their trade rejection, but instead of going through the process of resubmitting the trade, he just decided to roll with Mallett...which might have been the reason I won. Mallett threw 5 first half pics, and Miami went into the half with a 17-3 lead thanks for a kickoff return for a TD and a 2 yard run for a score after an INT return to the 2. For Miami, that was all the scoring. New England's defense was pretty stout thoughout the game.

In the 2nd half, NE turned to Brandon Weeden, and in his first drive threw 100% completion and got the Patriots within one score. After that, the defenses held tight. Really great game, probably the toughest defense I've played yet. Usually don't win games with 70 yards total offense. (Thanks to about 6 NE sacks.)

EDIT: Though I might add, the game could have been a lot more one sided had Greg Jennings put his hands up on two bombs where he was WIDE open and had at least 5 steps on the nearest corner. The ball dropped right in front of his feet both times.

The trade was submitted again. I voted on it. Why wouldn't the New England owner hold off on playing his game?

Hell of a game with Wpark 83. Warner was more of a win now move, and the Pats 4-game losing skid kind of removes the urgency there. Like WPark said, Weeden came in and handled up. He threw a pick late, but we had to force it into coverage at that point. In any case, Weeden has earned the start next week.

Originally Posted by pitfallharry219 The trade was submitted again. I voted on it. Why wouldn't the New England owner hold off on playing his game?

I have absolutely no clue. I asked him if he saw the boards, he said no, so I told him the situation. And the Xbox message I got back said, "ah well...guess it's the mallet era" or something to that effect. When I went into the game lobby, he was there and ready.

Sorry, I didn't realize the trade had been resubmitted. I should have talked with the Giants before playing.

Originally Posted by AllenScribe Sorry, I didn't realize the trade had been resubmitted. I should have talked with the Giants before playing.

Well wait, how could a trade be resubmitted if you never talked to him about it? That sounds sketchy to me.

Maybe he thought that was OK since the committee wasn't asking for anything else from the Pats? We had discussed the initial trade, so he knew I was fine trading Mallett for Warner. I wasn't asked to put anything else in, so I would have still been fine trading for Warner.

Originally Posted by AllenScribe Maybe he thought that was OK since the committee wasn't asking for anything else from the Pats? We had discussed the initial trade, so he knew I was fine trading Mallett for Warner. I wasn't asked to put anything else in, so I would have still been fine trading for Warner.

Ah, that makes sense.

Originally Posted by AllenScribe Maybe he thought that was OK since the committee wasn't asking for anything else from the Pats? We had discussed the initial trade, so he knew I was fine trading Mallett for Warner. I wasn't asked to put anything else in, so I would have still been fine trading for Warner.

Basically. Oh well. My bad for not getting a pm to you sooner. Wonder if a trade can still be put through if only 1 team has played a week 8 game? It's EA, so who knows.

I resubmitted the trade after responding to jza's comment because he was the one required to give up more and we were in a time crunch. I suppose an assumption was made that the Pats owner would be ok with receiving what he had initially agreed to PLUS a 5th round pick.

The folly here is the Pats owner taking the word of someone else instead of checking the thread himself to see what was going on. I don't know why Wpark would think the trade wasn't in the process of being reworked. It was not only talked in the post with the committee's ruling, but in subsequent posts as well. I'm not saying Wpark is to blame for this situation, but if you're going to relay information to somebody, give them the whole story. Otherwise, stay the hell out of it, and let them figure it out themselves. Getting involved just makes you accountable to some extent.