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If we're going to be so uptight about this being a "fair" league and if trading is going to be under this kind of microscope, we really should've started with a fantasy draft. That's the only way to truly start out with a fair league where everyone is on a level playing field, for the most part.

Otherwise, teams that start off terrible(such as my team the Browns), are never going to get better if we're not allowed to win a few trades here and there. If every trade is 100% fair and picked and prodded by a committee then the Browns will always remain as a cellar dweller team and teams like the Pats and Packers will always be on top of the league. How is that fair? Because these guys came upon this thread before I did, they get an unfair advantage?

And believe me, I'm not bitching about being stuck with the Browns(ok, maybe a little bit), but you can't hold back the shitty teams from getting better because a trade may not be 100% fair.

Originally Posted by jza1218

what is starting to bug me more seeing the replay again and again is the push off golden tate did before going up for the ball

and aren't players told to hit the ball down in a play like this and not go for the INT

Originally Posted by fsecreast If we're going to be so uptight about this being a "fair" league and if trading is going to be under this kind of microscope, we really should've started with a fantasy draft. That's the only way to truly start out with a fair league where everyone is on a level playing field, for the most part. Otherwise, teams that start off terrible(such as my team the Browns), are never going to get better if we're not allowed to win a few trades here and there. If every trade is 100% fair and picked and prodded by a committee then the Browns will always remain as a cellar dweller team and teams like the Pats and Packers will always be on top of the league. How is that fair? Because these guys came upon this thread before I did, they get an unfair advantage? And believe me, I'm not bitching about being stuck with the Browns(ok, maybe a little bit), but you can't hold back the shitty teams from getting better because a trade may not be 100% fair.

What you're ignoring completely in your argument though is the skill of the player. Having the Packers or Patriots does not guarantee you a Super Bowl. We've seen people with the Chiefs and Buccaneers just dominate. And the notion that you're going to swindle your way into contention is unrealistic. "Winning a trade" isn't always about what players you get. It's about getting the right players for your team. Just because a trade is fair doesn't mean it will work out well for both teams. And that's exactly the way it works in real life.

I 100% agree, having the Browns puts you in a bigger hole than a lot of people. That doesn't mean you can't acquire the pieces you need. Recognize your areas of need and your areas of surplus and get to work. Honestly, there are more options available to you than there were to the Browns owner from last year. Free agency will be an option, draft scouting, progressing your own players, etc.

And one last note about a fantasy draft...that was just added to the game like a week ago. When everything was set up and teams were chosen, EA was vehemently defending their choice to not have fantasy drafts in this year's game. Not really fair to hold that against us now.

Originally Posted by fsecreast My post had no relation to my Brady trade. It was more of a general statement. I feel like ever since the first trade was mentioned, a lot of people have been over analyzing them a little too much. The original Jets-Pats trade was pretty fair, sure one team may have been winning a little more, but it wasn't unfair or a robbery. But it still faced a lot of criticism and questioning. I just feel like all that is unnecessary. This isn't the real NFL. This is a game we all play to have fun. Stuff like that sucks the fun out of a league like this. It completely discourages trading, which I think is the worst possible thing that can happen to a league like this.

Just realized I missed this post, lol (it's late). I think you're just taking the discussion the wrong way. The Jets-Pats trade may have had initial strong reactions from league members...but that should be expected when two division rivals are swapping some of their best players.

But the issue with that trade was never the "fairness" of it. It was the fact that the Jets only had like $700k in salary cap space and would need to cut over $4 million to make room for the trade. This created a whirldwind of scenarios...one of which involved cutting 8 low level players, leaving the team with only 48 players. That scenario was deemed completely inappropriate and unrealistic (please tell me you can at least see why).

Once it was clarified that the Jets' owners intention was only to cut one player...the situation was re-evaluated, and it was decided that that wasn't unreasonable...and cutting one player to make cap space for a trade would be allowed. I'm sorry if you want to call that "overanalyzing", but I can assure you, it's better for the integrity of the league than being carefree and just letting teams do whatever they want.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 Yeah, the only reason i'm comfortable giving up the 1st and 2nd is because right now i like maybe one of my receivers, so adding a top receiving option was important for me to do before the season.

I think a 1st and 2nd rounder is a bit much to give up for what you're receiving. I would expect to see an elite player for those picks, but if you're ok with it, all is good

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports All right, I sent out PMs to 4 people for the trade committee. Two have already gotten back to me. Once I hear from the other two, I'll introduce the full committee. We also need two alternates. I was going to just choose alternates, but I felt really dumb sending out a message of "Hey...you weren't chosen for the main committee, but we still might need your help sometimes." So, anyway...if anyone wouldn't mind serving as an alternate committee member, when one (or two) of the other members are involved in a trade, that would be great. It's not going to be a "first two to post get it" kind of thing. Just let me know if you're interested, and I'll pick the two people who I feel would be good for it. In other news, actually processing trades in Madden seems to be very weird. The other league had issues with getting them to go through. At first it was thought that they would only process when the schedule was advanced. This turned out to not be true. The only way they've gotten trades to go through was by having both parties online when the trade is offered/accepted. This might be a bit inconvenient, but at least it won't be a reason for trades to be delayed a week...or hold up our advancement. I'll advance us to Week 1 in the morning, and we'll get these trades figured out asap.

sounds good!!

just curious to know if i will ge tthe results of my trades today becuz i know moojucie and i will be trying to get our game in tonight for week 1. also if i do get the results i will be around to make the trades online with guys involved i will also be adding the guys i made trades with on my friends list on xbl

Trades are being reviewed by The Committee (I actually did feel like I needed to capitalize that...lol, weird) right now. For those wondering, The Committee (there it is again!) consists of myself, DVO21, pitfallharry219, jza1218, and Chetty12. In the interest of fairness and objectivity, members are not allowed to vote on their own trades or trades involving family members (ie. Chetty can't vote on the Pats/Browns trade). An alternate will be brought in to replace their votes in those cases.

Originally Posted by CAGLeagueSports Wow...damn, can't a guy play his week 4 preseason game without shit going crazy? lol. In my opinion, the problem with the Pats/Jets trade is it was proposed way too early. People hadn't even played a single game yet before you guys were trying to get rid of your best players. I agree with DVO though. Once a trade is posted FOR REVIEW, there can be no "Ooh! I want that guy!" If people can't handle that, then we need to form a trade review committee similar to the one in the other league, but discuss trades exclusively through PM until they're approved (which is really more akin to how the NFL works. Other teams don't hear about trades until they're a done deal...and teams don't always know that they're bidding against each other). I know we didn't have a problem like this last year, but I'm pretty sure the other league did. And if I remember right, the general ruling was: If the trade wasn't officially posted for review, you can back out if you want. HOWEVER, don't be shocked if it makes you look like a complete asshole and makes other teams not want to deal with you in the future. If Hemingway wants to burn this bridge and rub a lot of people the wrong way, that's his choice. But don't be surprised if no one takes you seriously or even wants to talk to you after it. That's about as realistic as the situation can be handled. Yes, these things "happen"...but people are also judged for it.

It was my understanding our trade WAS posted up for review. It was just contingent upon me clearing cap. I guess you can say I'm still pissed off by the way Hemingway handled it. He acts like I was ducking him even though we were PM'ing each other. Dude is a prick and thats a pretty dick move in a "gentlemen's" league. C'mon Goodell, give me some compensation! Jk.

Now that I've aired my frustrations, I looked back over that Miami/Green Bay trade and I hope this trade committee modifies it. NONE of the players Miami is receiving is worth a 1st round pick in a straight up deal. This also brings the issue of future owners. If the dolphins owner quits, who would want to take over that team without their up-and-coming Center and no 1st and 2nd rounder (which equates to 2 quality starters). I believe Brandon Marshall went for two 3rd rounders and no players in return. And Vontae went for a low pick (dont rrmember the number). If jennings/saturday and bush/pouncey cancel each other out...House and Starks as a 1st and 2nd? Dont see how either of their value is higher than a 3rd (and thats being generous)

Just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by dr0ppinL0adz It was my understanding our trade WAS posted up for review. It was just contingent upon me clearing cap. I guess you can say I'm still pissed off by the way Hemingway handled it. He acts like I was ducking him even though we were PM'ing each other. Dude is a prick and thats a pretty dick move in a "gentlemen's" league. C'mon Goodell, give me some compensation! Jk.

Well, if we want to look at it as having actually been posted for review, then we'd have to say it was originally rejected on the basis of not having enough cap space. And in the time given to free up cap space (which is not your fault at all...but it seemed reasonable to wait when players needed to be cut due to preseason anyway), New England decided to shop Brady elsewhere.

I don't disagree with you at all about his decision to do that though. But as I said, he's going to be judged for it. There are definitely others who feel the same as you, and they might think twice about dealing with him in the future because of it. I'm sorry I can't do more for you than that. But forcing him to complete the trade just seems silly. Ultimately, someone's honor and dignity should prevent these things from happening. And when it doesn't, the court of public opinion will decide how to deal with them.

Ok, everyone, we have advanced to Week 1 of the regular season! The games finally count! I have turned injuries back on, so keep that in mind when playing your games. I also expect everyone to be playing their games now. It was ok to be lax in the preseason, but now everyone should be getting in touch with their opponent and setting up times to play.

Pro tip: look up your opponent's availability in the OP before sending your message, so you can suggest a time when they are available. Sending a message of "I see you're available tomorrow between 5 PM EST and 9 PM EST. How does 5:30 PM EST sound?" gets things done A LOT quicker than a message of "Hey man, you're my opponent this week. When do you want to play?"

The deadline for Week 1 games will be 9/28 at 11:59 PM EST!

Trade Committee is working hard, guys. While I haven't heard from everyone in regards to the trades, there are a few where we already have enough (ie. 3 out of 5) to make a ruling. So, without further ado.

Trade #1

Buffalo receives: 2013 2nd round pick, 2013 3rd round pick Cincinatti receives: RB C.J. Spiller spiller age 25 OVR 80 contract 3 years remaining signing bonus 15 million 2012- 3.93 million 2013- 4.21 million 2014- 4.59 million

APPROVED

Trade #2

Browns Receive: Tom Brady- QB- 93 ovr under current scheme, 3 years remaining- Total 53.74- 2012-14.21, 2013-17.58, 2014-21.95 Rob Ninkovich- DE- 72 regular ovr, in 3-4 schemes his rating is low 80's. 2 years remaining- Total- 2 Million, 2012-1.87, 2013-2.13 Patriots Receive: Joe Haden- CB- 91 ovr in my scheme, has great man to man which is what i look for. 3 years remaining- Total-27.65, 2012-7.67, 2013-9.07, 2014-10.91 Brandon Weeden- QB- 75 ovr in my scheme- 4 years remaining, Total-8 millions, 2012-1.65, 2013-1.84, 2014-2.09, 2015-2.42 The Patriots cap before the trade is 17.74 million and the Browns are 20.92 so we both have a lot of cap to make this trade work. He gets the franchise qb he wants, i get the man to man corner i like.

APPROVED

Trade #3

Arizona sends WR Michael Floyd Bengals sends LT Whitworth Whitworth age 30 overall 90 remaining contract 4 years signing bonus 10 Million 2012- 3.44 Million 2013- 3.84 million 2014- 4.43 million 2015- 5.15 million Michael Floyd age 22 overall 76 remaining contract 4 years signing bonus 4.80 million 2012- 2.04 million 2013- 2.29 million 2014- 2.62 million 2015- 3.05 million

REJECTED - The Committee felt that Whitworth was just too good even with the cap space it frees up to only get a mid-tier WR for. A suggestion was made to include a 3rd round pick from Arizona to even it up.

Trade #4

bengals send WR Sanu and 5th round pick jets send WR Stephen Hill Sanu age 23 overall 73 remaining contract 4 years bonus 600K 2012- 510K 2013- 610K 2014- 750K 2015- 930K Stephen Hill age 21 overall 73 remaining contract 4 years bonus 2 million 2012- 980K 2013- 1.13 million 2014- 1.32 million 2015- 1.57 million

APPROVED

All of these can be put through in the game. Just remember that both teams need to be online when it is proposed/accepted, otherwise, for some stupid reason, the trade won't work.

Also sorry, I forgot about the GB/MIA trade. I'm still getting feedback on that one.

Alright, sorry i was a little late getting feedback to you on the trades, i actually just sent that to you a couple mins ago. Everything i put pretty much agrees with what was already said by the rest of the committee, except for the Spiller trade. That trade as it is currently leaves Buffalo with only 2 rbs and puts Cinci at 5.

I just sent in my votes, too.

Originally Posted by dr0ppinL0adz Now that I've aired my frustrations, I looked back over that Miami/Green Bay trade and I hope this trade committee modifies it. NONE of the players Miami is receiving is worth a 1st round pick in a straight up deal. This also brings the issue of future owners. If the dolphins owner quits, who would want to take over that team without their up-and-coming Center and no 1st and 2nd rounder (which equates to 2 quality starters). I believe Brandon Marshall went for two 3rd rounders and no players in return. And Vontae went for a low pick (dont rrmember the number). If jennings/saturday and bush/pouncey cancel each other out...House and Starks as a 1st and 2nd? Dont see how either of their value is higher than a 3rd (and thats being generous) Just my 2 cents.

First i don't understand how the trade came down to Pouncey-Saturday, Jennings-Bush, Starks, House- 1st, 2nd. Jennings and Bush don't even play the same position. So the fair comparison would be to look at it like Pouncey-Saturday, Bush-Starks, Jennings, House-1st, 2nd.


First, Jennings is worth a 1st round pick. I don't understand the argument against that. He's a 90 plus receiver with 94 speed, 93 agil, 94 accel, there is no first rounder that is drafted that will be that good at receiver for maybe another 3 years and that's being generous.

Secondly, House to me is worth a 2nd round pick. I play a man coverage, press type D. House has 83 man and 86 press. How many 2nd round rookies are going to be mid 70's with that type of skill set right out of the draft? Not to mention, his age makes him the age of a rookie.

Lastly, I'm willing to swap Saturday for Pouncey because there simply is no potential rating in this game. I'm not guaranteed that Pouncey is a up and comer. He may be that in real life but i'll take the ratings boost i get with Saturday right now over pretend potential any day. I'm also willing to swap Bush for Starks because i believe i can replace Bush with a combo of Starks and Lamar Miller rather easily.

Originally Posted by Chetty12 Alright, sorry i was a little late getting feedback to you on the trades, i actually just sent that to you a couple mins ago. Everything i put pretty much agrees with what was already said by the rest of the committee, except for the Spiller trade. That trade as it is currently leaves Buffalo with only 2 rbs and puts Cinci at 5.

Originally Posted by pitfallharry219 I just sent in my votes, too.

Don't feel bad at all about being "late", guys. I don't think anybody had an expectation of getting these hashed out in a couple hours. I just figured in the interest of time, once there was a verdict either way, I might as well post it. People are usually incredibly anxious about finding out whether their trades were approved.

I'm still glad everyone gave their opinions though. It'll only help us going forward as we get a better idea of how people view different types of trades. There were a lot of great opinions given on these trades. And there's never anything wrong with that. It's way better than fighting and bickering about them...lol.

Also...let's try to stop discussing trades in the thread. The entire point of the trade committee was to avoid the need to argue about these things.

If trades are denies are u going to post them as denied or juse message the too involved just curious

Originally Posted by DVO21 If trades are denies are u going to post them as denied or juse message the too involved just curious

That's a good question. I guess in the future, I'll just message the owners involved. It wasn't a big deal for these trades since they were posted in the thread to begin with. But yeah, for future trades, I wouldn't want to give anything away.

Ya it didnt matter with these ones just curious figured i should ask