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Originally Posted by bvharris These are the things which definitely activate the glitch according to what I've read: Changing ANY league setting, including sliders Transferring commish powers A coach retiring or a new coach being added. There might be more, but that's all I'm sure of right now.

Sweet zombie Jesus EA, do you even try any more?

Well, we've had a couple coaches drop already...but I guess with us just being in week one, we wouldn't be able to tell about injuries. But if replacing a coach really does reset them, then we probably have no choice but to start over. We MIGHT be able to avoid commish changes, but there's basically a 100% guarantee that someone else drops at some point. Just hope a restart doesn't kill off interest (obviously all preseason games would be simmed...and you'd have 1 day to practice/cut players).

As a software programmer I have empathy towards game programmers because nobody really understands the complexity of the code unless you actually do it for a living. I don't even blame EA as a whole because they still put out some good games. But the guys over at EA Tiburon are coming off as completely incompetent.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Well, we've had a couple coaches drop already...but I guess with us just being in week one, we wouldn't be able to tell about injuries. But if replacing a coach really does reset them, then we probably have no choice but to start over. We MIGHT be able to avoid commish changes, but there's basically a 100% guarantee that someone else drops at some point. Just hope a restart doesn't kill off interest (obviously all preseason games would be simmed...and you'd have 1 day to practice/cut players).

Don't jump to conclusions yet. The whole "restarting with pre-existing injuries on" is a hypothetical solution. It needs to be tested before its even considered.

plus if we do that jets owner wont have revis for the whole season and also cowboys owner wont have there SS church either and anyone else thats hurt for the season will be doomed like washingtons owner with orakpo

Originally Posted by JoelyPoley As a software programmer I have empathy towards game programmers because nobody really understands the complexity of the code unless you actually do it for a living. I don't even blame EA as a whole because they still put out some good games. But the guys over at EA Tiburon are coming off as completely incompetent.

I generally feel the same way since I work with many software developers and while I'm not one myself I do have an appreciation of the complexities. However, having also done a good deal of work managing QA efforts, the number of bugs in this game (hardly a new phenomenon this year) wouldn't be acceptable in any industry.

I've never been involved with a major software release which launched 100% bug free. It just doesn't happen. But the lack of polish in Madden in particular does certainly rise above standard levels, and a lot of that has to do with EA and the ridiculous pressure to put this game out every year while still making substantial changes. MS doesn't make it especially easy to patch games either, from what I understand.

The whole model is fubar, but unfortunately we keep buying it so there is no real incentive to change it.

Originally Posted by DVO21 plus if we do that jets owner wont have revis for the whole season and also cowboys owner wont have there SS church either and anyone else thats hurt for the season will be doomed like washingtons owner with orakpo

Not with the current rosters. Those guys are still in.

I'm leaning away from restarting now, but it might be a more viable option in this league since you guys have a less established owner group than we do.

Originally Posted by JoelyPoley As a software programmer I have empathy towards game programmers because nobody really understands the complexity of the code unless you actually do it for a living. I don't even blame EA as a whole because they still put out some good games. But the guys over at EA Tiburon are coming off as completely incompetent.

Well, I'm mostly referring to EA Sports...because to me, they should have a higher expectation of getting things right since their games have a shorter shelf life, and for the most part, very little changes year to year. But just imagine the situation. Would your boss not care if you up the same thing year after year? Or even better, if you fix a glitch in a previous version with a patch, only to see it return in the next version you release? Because that's what we continuously get from EA. Sure, this might be a new bug, but that doesn't mean the other old bugs just cease to exist. This is just one more to throw on the pile. But just this constant idea they have that it's ok to let the paying customer be a beta tester for the first 2 months of the game's existence makes me sick. That's 17% of its life cycle. And then they want to act all pissy when people would rather wait and buy the game used. Just so out of touch with the consumer.

Originally Posted by bvharris Not with the current rosters. Those guys are still in. I'm leaning away from restarting now, but it might be a more viable option in this league since you guys have a less established owner group than we do.

Yeah, I get what your saying. The thing is, even for you guys, you're going to have to watch out for someone who loses a big player to a season ending injury who then decides they want to "change their scheme". Losing your coach XP to sub might not be an attractive option, but losing it to get back a key player would be. It's just so incredibly frustrating to have to even worry about this shit. As if running a league isn't hard enough, we've gotta think up contingency plans and policies for shit that shouldn't even be a thought.

Ultimately, I'd rather not restart too. At that point, people are going to start to question if being in a league is worth the trouble. Other than the situation I described above, I almost feel like we have to view unforeseen circumstances as using a "healing card" for injuries. Again, I point out the issue with EA trying to make their games "more realistic" When it's ed up beyond all recognition...it's no longer realistic. This is the EA way.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Yeah, I get what your saying. The thing is, even for you guys, you're going to have to watch out for someone who loses a big player to a season ending injury who then decides they want to "change their scheme". Losing your coach XP to sub might not be an attractive option, but losing it to get back a key player would be. It's just so incredibly frustrating to have to even worry about this shit. As if running a league isn't hard enough, we've gotta think up contingency plans and policies for shit that shouldn't even be a thought.

We'll know if someone does that, coach firings and hirings are one thing that always shows up in the league twitter feed. Unlike, say, free agent signings, which sometimes show up and sometimes don't.

It'll be banned, and if someone does it the penalty will be severe.

Originally Posted by bvharris We'll know if someone does that, coach firings and hirings are one thing that always shows up in the league twitter feed. Unlike, say, free agent signings, which sometimes show up and sometimes don't. It'll be banned, and if someone does it the penalty will be severe.

Well, yeah, I get that. But how do you handle people who actually might want to change their scheme? If they have an injury, you just don't allow it? Seems like that would be pretty limiting to owners (since injuries are fairly frequent), but it could definitely be filed under "best of a bad situation" too.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Well, yeah, I get that. But how do you handle people who actually might want to change their scheme? If they have an injury, you just don't allow it? Seems like that would be pretty limiting to owners (since injuries are fairly frequent), but it could definitely be filed under "best of a bad situation" too.

Ask them to wait for the offseason I guess. You can still change your playbook prior to a game, so the only thing completely switching it would allow you to do was practice with the new playbook.

Originally Posted by bvharris Ask them to wait for the offseason I guess. You can still change your playbook prior to a game, so the only thing completely switching it would allow you to do was practice with the new playbook.

Well, except that injuries are supposed to span from one season into the next. My God, what a cluster, lol.

So I take it NO ONE is interested in Arian Foster?

Sent GibsonGamer a message yesterday and still nothing.

Originally Posted by Docb9110 So I take it NO ONE is interested in Arian Foster?

I am but I don't know if I have what you'd be looking for.

Originally Posted by Docb9110 So I take it NO ONE is interested in Arian Foster?

What are you looking for?

Originally Posted by shotgunshine Sent GibsonGamer a message yesterday and still nothing.

PM Flyersfan and see if he can play today or tomorrow. Whoever gets back to you first gets it, lol.

i just had a game online i was the vikings and he was the cowboys i ran for 266 yards with 10 att safe to say thats the best i every ran the ball.

The current CCM roster has a healthy Revis on it, but the Eagles would lose Jason Peters and the Patriots would lose Jeff Demps (actually, maybe restarting is a good idea lmao)

I sent Flyersfan a pm.


Can anyone here answer my question I asked the other day. When i'm doing connected careers mode(offline only) the camera is set at zoom or whatever the default one is. I'll switch it to wide, then after the play is done it defaults back to zoom. It does this every single time. I'm assuming its just one of the many bugs in this game but wanted to make sure.