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Originally Posted by ubernes It was Tebow time for one drive then I had to hear Ramses bitch about running out of shotgun. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but if he decides to play prevent D and I'm sitting in shotgun--with Tebow or any other QB--can I not run it? I pretty much had to scrap my entire 2 minute drill because of his complaint. [I played the same way vs MA in my preseason game, so he can vouch for me on the legitimacy of it]

I guess I'd need to see the plays in question I guess. If it's five wide shotgun and then taking off immediately on a designed passing play, that is something we say in the rules you shouldn't be doing. But there's no inherent rule about running out of a shotgun formation assuming it doesn't get cheesy. We're talking about Tim Tebow though, there's a certain expectation of running, no?

I generally think if it's a gray area like that, it's better to either keep doing what you're doing and then sort it out later, or else stop the game and contact a commissioner (which, incidentally, includes you ) than change up your whole gameplan and put yourself at a disadvantage.

Originally Posted by bvharris I guess I'd need to see the plays in question I guess. If it's five wide shotgun and then taking off immediately on a designed passing play, that is something we say in the rules you shouldn't be doing. But there's no inherent rule about running out of a shotgun formation assuming it doesn't get cheesy. We're talking about Tim Tebow though, there's a certain expectation of running, no? I generally think if it's a gray area like that, it's better to either keep doing what you're doing and then sort it out later, or else stop the game and contact a commissioner (which, incidentally, includes you ) than change up your whole gameplan and put yourself at a disadvantage.

That's the thing, I was still dropping back ready to chuck the ball. And did on the first play. And I'm sure he was annoyed I decided not to throw it into double coverage for once, but if you're going to leave 20 yards after the line of scrimmage uncovered besides the one dude trailing my TE, then why not? That's not unfair, that's him being lazy and not wanting to adjust his play calling.

I really had no intention of winning the game tonight. Ramses is pretty good. I'm still working out my offense. But down by a score with 2 minutes to go, to bitch when I decide to not keep throwing it deep down the field into double coverage the first time I run... now that's annoying. Adjust!

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You're killing me bro. Ages and ratings please.

QB battle continues into the season though. For as many picks as Sanchez threw tonight, he marched down the field like he was Tom Brady (well, last year's Tom Brady ). INTs seem easier this year, but passing is easier if you're not throwing it into coverage IMO. So I'm still impressed by Sanchez, but Tebow (if he is allowed to be Tebow) just sends the opposing D for loops.

Not that it matters but here is where I stand with running QBs:

The NFL has more 'running' QBs in the league than ever before. Vick, Tebow, Newton, Russel Wilson and RG3 are all known as scramblers. Then you have Luck, Tannehill, and Locker who aren't known for running around but certainly can (all 3 have 80+ speed). This doesn't include guys like Brad Smith, Tyrell Proyr and Tyrod Taylor who only ever get used in the Wildcat, regardless that is 25% of the league with a 'running' QB starting.

My point is that I feel like we need to stop policing this so heavily. I understand there are concerns about 'hot swapping' a QB and that is understandable. However if a running QB is in the game and the opponent knows it, running the ball should be fair game. For someone to feel like they have to scrap part of their offense is ridiculous.


EDIT: LV if you were going to trade half of your team you should've sent me a few more PMs! I would've took Maclin and DRC off your hands.

Wow! I thought it was established that lining up in 4/5 wide and immediately tucking the ball with the qb was frowned upon??? That was my complaint. I definitely don't exec anyone to chuck the ball into double coverage every play to appease me.

I did adjust, evidenced by the subsequent 2 and 3 spies I had on the qb after that play.

What really bothers me about this though is that you didn't feel the need to say anything during the game. We are all grown, if you disagree speak up DURING THE GAME!

I can handle Tebiw scrambling, but you did exactly what we say not to do when running with the qb...

K, we'll review it and let you know. Keep in mind we do still have a trade cap in place this season.

Originally Posted by bvharris K, we'll review it and let you know. Keep in mind we do still have a trade cap in place this season.

Thanks

EDIT: LV if you were going to trade half of your team you should've sent me a few more PMs! I would've took Maclin and DRC off your hands.[/QUOTE]

Both trades were negotiated through X-Box live, apparently that's the only way to get em done for me these days.

Originally Posted by RamesuThe1 Wow! I thought it was established that lining up in 4/5 wide and immediately tucking the ball with the qb was frowned upon???

Ramesu is right, that is generally what we mean when we talk about QB scrambling in a negative sense, the 5-wide set and then immediately tucking and running. That's actually the only specific example cited in the rules, so given that I'd say he was certainly within his rights to mention it during the game.

Originally Posted by staticz My point is that I feel like we need to stop policing this so heavily.

It's certainly a discussion we can have. The rule as it presently stands has basically been part of Madden conventional wisdom for years. It's the old Madden '04 Vick offense of spreading everyone out and then tucking and running every play. Generally it's considered pretty ranked match-y, and I've always felt there was a pretty broad consensus on that point in this league.

However, if people think the rule (which is really more of a "guideline" in practice) is a dinosaur and isn't really worth having anymore, it's certainly something worth considering. You make a good point about the preponderance of running QBs, and it is certainly possible we're unduly hampering their efficacy. I'd love to hear more opinions on it.

Originally Posted by RamesuThe1 Wow! I thought it was established that lining up in 4/5 wide and immediately tucking the ball with the qb was frowned upon??? That was my complaint. I definitely don't exec anyone to chuck the ball into double coverage every play to appease me. I did adjust, evidenced by the subsequent 2 and 3 spies I had on the qb after that play. What really bothers me about this though is that you didn't feel the need to say anything during the game. We are all grown, if you disagree speak up DURING THE GAME! I can handle Tebiw scrambling, but you did exactly what we say not to do when running with the qb...

I was in a 3WR/1TE set because it was 3rd and long. If you're going to play off the WRs and none of those guys are open because you're playing a soft man with safety help, what am I supposed to do? They weren't all streaking deep btw, which is what the rule is against. My TE was sitting in the middle of the field.

Edit: And I'd really like to see how 'immediate' my tuck and run was, considering I was able to access the entire field (or at least the left side of it) before I decided running was the only way I was gaining positive yards on that play.

Not sure what saying anything in-game would accomplish. The game was essentially over at that point once Tebow turned into a pocket passer and threw a pick. I don't know if speaking over 6 guys in party chat about how your interpretation of the rule is a bit off would have gotten through.

Originally Posted by bvharris K, we'll review it and let you know. Keep in mind we do still have a trade cap in place this season.

I have a question on my depth chart Carlos Rogers was an 88 so I was treating him as 1 core player trade . How does this work when the scheme of another team causes a player to be better and jump into another core category for it's recipient ?

well I accepted sprices trade to me and i still have heyward-bey on my team so I sent him one back if this doesn't work what do we do just cut them and pick them back up?

Did your trade work LV?

And for the depth cart ratings what I did is just went to the online depth cart no CC the one thats under head to head and team play and stuff and used them

Originally Posted by Tanabeo well I accepted sprices trade to me and i still have heyward-bey on my team so I sent him one back if this doesn't work what do we do just cut them and pick them back up?

I don't think it will process until we advance.

Originally Posted by Mr Grand Cru I have a question on my depth chart Carlos Rogers was an 88 so I was treating him as 1 core player trade . How does this work when the scheme of another team causes a player to be better and jump into another core category for it's recipient ?

Man, that is a good ing question. I'm at a loss for how to interpret that, as we know the OVR can vary wildly depending on your scheme. Ideas?

Originally Posted by ubernes I was in a 3WR/1TE set because it was 3rd and long. If you're going to play off the WRs and none of those guys are open because you're playing a soft man with safety help, what am I supposed to do? They weren't all streaking deep btw, which is what the rule is against. My TE was sitting in the middle of the field. Edit: And I'd really like to see how 'immediate' my tuck and run was, considering I was able to access the entire field (or at least the left side of it) before I decided running was the only way I was gaining positive yards on that play. Not sure what saying anything in-game would accomplish. The game was essentially over at that point once Tebow turned into a pocket passer and threw a pick. I don't know if speaking over 6 guys in party chat about how your interpretation of the rule is a bit off would have gotten through.

Good Game uber.

that's it I'm putting all of Gabbert's xp into speed let's get over 50% of our qbs into scramblers

Originally Posted by bvharris Man, that is a good ing question. I'm at a loss for how to interpret that, as we know the OVR can vary wildly depending on your scheme. Ideas?

use the real depth chart rating the one in the online part of the game with the head to head and team play stuff thats what I did for my trade.

Originally Posted by bvharris I don't think it will process until we advance. Man, that is a good ing question. I'm at a loss for how to interpret that, as we know the OVR can vary wildly depending on your scheme. Ideas?

I think it should be based on what the value of the player is in the current scheme as far as core is involved. I say this because Rogers was an 88 and essentially what I am losing is an 88 ovr which is equal to 1 core player.

Or we could just raise trade minimum

And for the record, if it's truly against the rules then by all means I'm going to change the way I play (I immediately did so tonight). I really hope MA comes in here and weighs in on it because I had every intention of running the same exact 2 minute drill I ran against him in Week 3 in the preseason. Maybe he can explain it better than I can.

I can see how it may appear 'cheese' because apparently every time a QB runs a red flag goes up somewhere in America. But I still think it was fair game.