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Originally Posted by Mile High Von I know it is impossible to substitute a WR into the TE position. ---- False

I have tried it before and I have never ever found a way to use the substitution method to put a WR in the TE spot on the line. That is what we are talking about. In my case Platt was in the slot and would motion over.

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Originally Posted by LVPatriots I have tried it before and I have never ever found a way to use the substitution method to put a WR in the TE spot on the line. That is what we are talking about. In my case Platt was in the slot and would motion over.

Not sure how you do your subs. But in game, When you pick a play, hit RB click on the position and scroll down. You can put tackles there too. But since we're not allowed to put wr there, doesn't matter much.

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Originally Posted by Mile High Von Not sure how you do your subs. But in game, When you pick a play, hit RB click on the position and scroll down. You can put tackles there too. But since we're not allowed to put wr there, doesn't matter much.

I know what you are talking about. Whenever you do the method you are discussing, I have found I am unable to put some players at the TE position outside of tight ends and tackles.

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Originally Posted by LVPatriots I know what you are talking about. Whenever you do the method you are discussing, I have found I am unable to put some players at the TE position outside of tight ends and tackles.

Hmmm, weird. I know I have the option to do it, I sub my rookie TE in often and Avant down to Jackson are always available. Gotta scroll past them to get to tackles.

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Originally Posted by Mile High Von Hmmm, weird. I know I have the option to do it, I sub my rookie TE in often and Avant down to Jackson are always available. Gotta scroll past them to get to tackles.

Interesting. As I said, I have never put a player not a TE in the TE position. I guess I just have never looked to do it before.

It is possible. But it's also not allowed, so don't try it.

We should lay out some concrete guidelines with manual substitutions...where do we draw the line? Putting a WR at TE sounds like probably the worst and most blatant violation to me, but how about:
1) putting an HB at WR (manually, not as part of a formation) - LV brought this up a couple pages back but no one responded to him
2) putting an HB at FB
3) putting a WR at HB - this one seems pretty harmless to me, and NFL teams do this from time to time anyways (Percy Harvin is the most notable example)
4) excessive use of an extra lineman in place of the TE for run-heavy teams - I know NFL teams do this fairly often, but it's always around the goal line...not as a team is driving down the field

I haven't seen the 4th done, but I was trying to cover all bases that might be relevant...

All of those are okay by me, though I don't think the 3rd is actually possible.

I don't think #1 or #2 create any kind of advantage for the offensive team, where the WR at TE clearly does. Running from the FB spot isn't easier than running from the HB spot, in fact it's arguably more difficult. And very few HBs are going to be better outside receivers than even mediocre WRs.

As for #4, you'll see it next week, since I do it myself and have for 2 years. The Patriots actually do it fairly often, and not just at the goal line, which is obviously where I get the idea. It certainly gives you a leg up running the ball, but it also gives your opponent a pretty clear signal that a run is coming.

just curious but is it ok to put ur number #1 WR in the slot using the hot swap? as in strong slots and stuff like that.

Yeah I have no issue with any of those myself. The 3rd is definitely possible cause Deuce had Eddie Royal as HB on a few different occasions in our game.

Originally Posted by bvharris As for #4, you'll see it next week, since I do it myself and have for 2 years. The Patriots actually do it fairly often, and not just at the goal line, which is obviously where I get the idea. It certainly gives you a leg up running the ball, but it also gives your opponent a pretty clear signal that a run is coming.

Unless you've been doing it for 2 years and nobody has noticed, lol.

I'm amused that both leagues are having essentially the same discussion at the same time. I feel like we should convene a gathering or something, haha.

Originally Posted by DVO21 just curious but is it ok to put ur number #1 WR in the slot using the hot swap?

I really want to avoid saying "no, your #1 receiver should never be inside" because I think that is unnecessarily restrictive. But it should be done very sparingly. If you are BSETI and your #1 receiver is Welker, it's a different story, because he is a slot guy. But should Larry Fitzgerald be in the slot? Not often.

The bottom line is I'm weary of anything which creates an unrealistic matchup which you wouldn't see in real football. I really don't want to get to the point where we have to implement the same rule we use for QB hot-swapping. What would be super nice is if Madden gave you the information on how the offense was aligned before you called your play, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

Originally Posted by n8rockerasu Unless you've been doing it for 2 years and nobody has noticed, lol.

Well that's on them. There aren't a ton of 300-pound TEs with numbers in the 60s in the league.

i was just curious to know the rule on that becuz i have alot of good WRs wasnt sure if doing strong slots and all that was against the rules or not since its practically the same as having them mixed around in the depth chart.

Originally Posted by DVO21 i was just curious to know the rule on that becuz i have alot of good WRs wasnt sure if doing strong slots and all that was against the rules or not since its practically the same as having them mixed around in the depth chart.

I believe we've been over this before. The position on it hasn't changed. It's not disallowed, but it can't be the default way you play. If someone were found to be abusing it, we'd need to revisit the stance.

There are some people I think walk the line on it as it is, so I'd really prefer the envelope not be pushed any further.

Originally Posted by bvharris Well that's on them. There aren't a ton of 300-pound TEs with numbers in the 60s in the league.

Yeah, but the camera adds 10lbs...

any one have any interesting idea of where FA and RFA will land on tuesday?????

Originally Posted by DVO21 any one have any interesting idea of where FA and RFA will land on tuesday?????

Hoping Wes Welker will be landing in New England.

the WRs in FA are all going to be very interesting as well as CB seems like a large market for thoughs 2 positions in this off season

Originally Posted by bvharris All of those are okay by me, though I don't think the 3rd is actually possible. I don't think #1 or #2 create any kind of advantage for the offensive team, where the WR at TE clearly does. Running from the FB spot isn't easier than running from the HB spot, in fact it's arguably more difficult. And very few HBs are going to be better outside receivers than even mediocre WRs. As for #4, you'll see it next week, since I do it myself and have for 2 years. The Patriots actually do it fairly often, and not just at the goal line, which is obviously where I get the idea. It certainly gives you a leg up running the ball, but it also gives your opponent a pretty clear signal that a run is coming.

#3 is definitely doable. I've seen it done several times.