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Enough about GMOs, I updated the first page with a nice link to where you can track the results.

Originally Posted by IRHari Enough about GMOs, I updated the first page with a nice link to where you can track the results.

Thanks. I was looking for a good site.

obama wins and gas jumps 35 cents

Nate Silver is the mothering man.

Originally Posted by slidecage obama wins and gas jumps 35 cents

Gas jumped yesterday

Now that gun sales are rising once again, I wonder what happens to those guns bought during previous events. Do these responsible owners eventually lose them or they're just dumped in some trunk never to see the light of day once again, as hoarders do with their newspapers.

So Doh, I was painfully wrong with regards to the popular vote, but the electoral college will be (assuming Obama holds Florida) 62-38%, Obama. That's a landslide. Popular vote looks to be only 2-3%. I really never thought it was close. Thought the first debate was the best moment for Romney's entire campaign, and think back to the primaries, realizing that Republicans truly thought Romney was the best of the bunch (and were probably right).

Now fingers crossed that Bachmann and West somehow lose.

I've been trying to figure out how I can make a buck off those dumbasses. I figure we can predict how conservatives react to certain events, there has to be a way of making money off that. Maybe I should have invested money in gun/ammo manufacturers.

Batshit Bachmann won.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...minnesota?lite

Originally Posted by Clak I've been trying to figure out how I can make a buck off those dumbasses. I figure we can predict how conservatives react to certain events, there has to be a way of making money off that. Maybe I should have invested money in gun/ammo manufacturers.

Hilariously enough, there's a good chance that guns and ammo prices will come down within the next couple years as wars wind down, demand for brass is lower, and firearms manufacturers still have parts inventory. Specifically assault rifles.

Clak wrote: Batshit Bachmann won. http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news...minnesota?lite

Ah . That really sucks. It's not her fault for being a stupid, bigoted c__t. It's the wits that voted for her's fault. She's just an opportunistic piece of shit.

For the curious...
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=S...rce=undefined;

That's Smith and Wesson, notice the jump from yesterday and today.

edit- me, Ruger is even higher from yesterday.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=rgr&ql=1

Originally Posted by berzirk So Doh, I was painfully wrong with regards to the popular vote, but the electoral college will be (assuming Obama holds Florida) 62-38%, Obama. That's a landslide. Popular vote looks to be only 2-3%. I really never thought it was close. Thought the first debate was the best moment for Romney's entire campaign, and think back to the primaries, realizing that Republicans truly thought Romney was the best of the bunch (and were probably right). Now fingers crossed that Bachmann and West somehow lose.

Yeah, Romney ate it, but it was still closer than last time on both counts.

Originally Posted by dohdough Yeah, Romney ate it, but it was still closer than last time on both counts.

This is true. A stronger candidate could've made it closer, but this was the Bob Dole of candidates running against the incumbent (not sure there'll ever be another Mondale! Haa haa).

Originally Posted by dohdough Yeah, Romney ate it, but it was still closer than last time on both counts.

Not saying much given no republican was winning after four years of n
Bush and the high unemployment rate etc. this time. It was there for the taking by the republicans but the tea party caused them to have a terrible pool of primary candidates and caused moderates like Huntsman to not have a chance.

Obama's Demographic Edge

Apparently a large reason for Obama winning key swing counties and states was overwhelming support from ethnic minorities. With this we have seen a fundamental shift in presidential politics. Not only were ethnic minorities able to help a president get elected, but they have succeeded in keeping him in office.

In some ways, this is a positive development. It clearly shows that ethnic minorities in the US are no longer quite as small as they used to be, and that they can now wield political power on a national level. This is for the best. A more homogenous nation in terms of ethnic demographics is a first step to political and social equality. We draw closer to a less divisive world.

In other ways, this could be negative. Thankfully enough, it will probably only prove to be a detriment in the short term. A large reason for a presidential candidate winning was his ethnic heritage. The issues at hand were incidental, and the margins were much closer than the previous election. Basing decisions on a candidate's ethnic heritage is not a good idea. Hopefully it won't take the US long to grow out of this.

Of course, this could also mean an easy win for the Republican party in the 2016 election. The incumbent VP is Joe Biden, and will be the Democratic party's candidate by default. (unless he opts to step down) After this election, it is quite likely that the Republican party will field either a black or hispanic candidate. (with such large margins, they'd be foolish to give up such an advantage) A caucasian like Joe Biden won't stand a chance.

I don't see Biden running. I think it's much more likely to be Hillary than Biden. Bill speaking at the DNC was beneficial for the democrats for 2 reasons. 1) Clinton is still massively popular and effectively stole the show in his endorsement and 2 ) it keeps Hillary relevant by way of association. I think part of Clinton's motivation for doing it was that he wanted to support his party but also that there's already been some behind the scene discussions about Hillary in 2016. I mean really, if it hadn't been for Obama she would have ran away with the nomination in 2008. It was a situation where it was 2 people almost the entire race, unlike the Republican primary which was an 8 (or more) person race for a large portion of it.

I know the Vice President running after the term is complete is the usual presumption but in Biden's case I don't think he has any desire to be President, similar to Cheney. I think once his term as Vice President is over he'll retire from politics.

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue I know the Vice President running after the term is complete is the usual presumption but in Biden's case I don't think he has any desire to be President, similar to Cheney. I think once his term as Vice President is over he'll retire from politics.

You are probably right. It would certainly be the best decision for his political party.

Of course, I hope you are not right about Hillary. She has less of a chance of winning than Biden. If there is one take away from the previous election, it is that the US has gone a lot further in overcoming its racial boundaries than it has its gender boundaries. It's still going to be a while before we see a female President.

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue I don't see Biden running. I think it's much more likely to be Hillary than Biden. Bill speaking at the DNC was beneficial for the democrats for 2 reasons. 1) Clinton is still massively popular and effectively stole the show in his endorsement and 2 ) it keeps Hillary relevant by way of association. I think part of Clinton's motivation for doing it was that he wanted to support his party but also that there's already been some behind the scene discussions about Hillary in 2016. I mean really, if it hadn't been for Obama she would have ran away with the nomination in 2008. It was a situation where it was 2 people almost the entire race, unlike the Republican primary which was an 8 (or more) person race for a large portion of it. I know the Vice President running after the term is complete is the usual presumption but in Biden's case I don't think he has any desire to be President, similar to Cheney. I think once his term as Vice President is over he'll retire from politics.

Biden is going to be old as hell and Cheney would probably die in office unless they built him a cyborg body...and they're halfway there.

Hillary is definitely a possibility, but my money is still on Deval Patrick, the gov of MA. I don't think either of the Castro brothers is going to be on the big ticket in 2016 or 2020, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Rubio at least in the primaries. The conservatives still have a full bullpen of angry white guys that can go through. Ryan is done though.

Originally Posted by Richard Kain You are probably right. It would certainly be the best decision for his political party. Of course, I hope you are not right about Hillary. She has less of a chance of winning than Biden. If there is one take away from the previous election, it is that the US has gone a lot further in overcoming its racial boundaries than it has its gender boundaries. It's still going to be a while before we see a female President.

I disagree. Electing a black man to the white house doesn't mean that racial boundaries are that much further along considering the rhetoric against him. The only difference is that we'd be seeing misogynistic attacks as opposed to racist attacks.

Originally Posted by dohdough I disagree. Electing a black man to the white house doesn't mean that racial boundaries are that much further along considering the rhetoric against him. The only difference is that we'd be seeing misogynistic attacks as opposed to racist attacks.

Fair enough. But just look at the fact that Obama won the Democratic candidacy back in 2008 over Hillary, despite the fact that Hillary probably had more experience at the time. (as well as an inside look at presidential politics from being first-lady for eight years) A serious argument could be made that she was the more qualified candidate. But she lost to Obama.

In the actual election, a major factor that worked in the favor of the Democratic party was the choice of Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate. A lot of people threw their weight behind Obama, or simply withdrew their support from the GOP because they had selected a female candidate for VP.

And on top of that I remember a lot of the conversations I had with people back then. I was startled at how many of them were relieved that Obama had bested Hillary. I had thought there would be more popular support behind Hillary. And the reason I was always given was that no one wanted a female President.

I had initially thought ethnicity would be a much bigger hurdle than gender. But I was wrong. Ethnicity is now just going to be another factor to consider, but it is by no means an impediment to being elected President. (quite the opposite, in fact) But gender is still up in the air. We won't know for certain until someone actually takes a risk on a female presidential candidate.

Originally Posted by Richard Kain Fair enough. But just look at the fact that Obama won the Democratic candidacy back in 2008 over Hillary, despite the fact that Hillary probably had more experience at the time. (as well as an inside look at presidential politics from being first-lady for eight years) A serious argument could be made that she was the more qualified candidate. But she lost to Obama. In the actual election, a major factor that worked in the favor of the Democratic party was the choice of Palin as the Vice Presidential candidate. A lot of people threw their weight behind Obama, or simply withdrew their support from the GOP because they had selected a female candidate for VP. And on top of that I remember a lot of the conversations I had with people back then. I was startled at how many of them were relieved that Obama had bested Hillary. I had thought there would be more popular support behind Hillary. And the reason I was always given was that no one wanted a female President. I had initially thought ethnicity would be a much bigger hurdle than gender. But I was wrong. Ethnicity is now just going to be another factor to consider, but it is by no means an impediment to being elected President. (quite the opposite, in fact) But gender is still up in the air. We won't know for certain until someone actually takes a risk on a female presidential candidate.

I think withdrawal of support for McCain/Palin had less to do with Palin being a woman and more with her being ignorant and whoa-fully underqualified to be a heartbeat away from running this country. People looked at how old McCain is and said no way I am risking letting Palin run this country.