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Originally Posted by Mooby Might have already been posted: http://www.greenlightbundle.com/pressrelease.html (people have been having trouble viewing it in Chrome). More info: The Green Light Bundle launches August 23rd with 8 celebrated games as a ‘pay what you want’ sale August 20th, 2012, Utrecht, The Netherlands The Green Light Bundle puts eight great indie games into one bundle. Gamers can decide for themselves what price they are willing to pay for this bundle. The developers are doing so in the hope that their games will soon be available on the Steam Store. The Green Light Bundle launches on August 23rd, exactly one week prior to the community driven approval system Steam Greenlight (TM) goes live. With Steam Greenlight gamers can vote for games they want to be made available on the Steam Store. By showcasing these amazing games the games will get the exposure needed to kickstart their Steam Greenlight (TM) campaign, and thus increasing their chances of getting onto the Steam Store. Everybody wins! More about The Green Light Bundle The Green Light Bundle celebrates the launch of Steam Greenlight (TM) by making these games available for both PC & Mac. The bundle is an initiative by Stolen Couch Games. Like many other developers they too have had trouble trying to get their games onto Steam. The launch of Steam Greenlight (TM) gives every developer an equal chance of getting their games onto the Steam Store. With the Green Light Bundle we wants to highlight some amazing games not yet available on Steam. As mentioned before the Green Light Bundle contains eight great indie games: Ichi by Stolen Couch Games. Ichi is an easy to play but challenging one button puzzle game. Don't be deceived by the game’s simplistic look, it’s a brain twister for sure! Paper Monsters by Crescent Moon Games. Dive into the world of Paper Monsters and watch a living world made out of paper, cardboard, and a few cotton balls unfold right before your eyes. Paper Monsters takes all of the classic 2d platforming elements, combines them with cutting edge graphics. Muffin Knight by AngryMob Games. Muffin Knight is an action-packed platformer with stunning visuals and a myriad of fairytale characters, each with their own unique abilities which gain strength as you advance. Guerrilla Bob by AngryMob Games. Get your finger on the trigger and prepare to fire! Guerrilla Bob is an action-packed shooter game with stunning visuals, plenty of kick-a*s weaponry, unique enemies, explosive ammunition and non-stop humor. Samurai II Vengeance by Madfinger games. Become a wandering samurai in the ancient Japan during chaotic times of war. As Daisuke Shimada set yourself on a quest for revenge across the war-scorched countryside. From a seafaring village to a flying fortress to the legendary Isle of the Dead, the samurai will stop at nothing to hunt down his arch-enemy Orochi. Syder Arcade by Studio Evil. Syder Arcade is a multi directional side scroller shoot ‘em up. A love letter to early 90’ games for the Amiga and PC. It’s an uncompromised old-school experience, a furious, challenging action game that will bring the player back in time, when games were all about skill and perseverance. Dino Run SE by PixelJam. Strap on those raptor feet, grab your hat and get ready to out run doom in this prehistoric racing game. Gunman Clive by Bertil Hörberg. In the year of 18XX, the west is overrun by thugs and outlaws. A group of bandits have kidnapped Mayor Johnsons daughter and are spreading havok across the land. Only Gunman Clive can bring order to the west and save the girl!

These are all pretty tepid Iphone ports. Gunman Clive is GREAT though.

Holy cow, I did not know long posts like that could fit

Originally Posted by utopianmachine He's playing the Dwarf, Farin, who has this ability to see when walls are weak and may conceal a secret. We already found sweet loot behind one wall, and we saved right at another. Cliffhanger!

They all have abilities to find hidden things. The mage sees runes, and and the ranger sees tracks.

Originally Posted by Jaysonguy Holy cow, I did not know long posts like that could fit

I wasn't sure myself until I posted it.

Originally Posted by sunghost however they did say that Steam keys will be provided if they make it onto Steam.

That's awesome! I'm definitely more intrigued now and will probably pick it up.

Didn't see this posted but it looks like there is a 5,000 beta key giveaway on Steam Gifts for some game called Tryst if anyone is interested.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque Note : This is really, really long. Just skip it if you aren't interested (it's just a long, peaceful response to Motoki, if he happens to see it). If you do happen to read it, the purpose of the post will be lost by just reading a part of it out of context. Then again, I doubt anyone will read this, so no worries. Well first off, I appreciate you at least explaining how you feel rather just than throwing out rude, jerky remarks. I've never singled you out and been rude to you (besides saying "What the heck, Motoki hates me."). I do have the tendency to debate, but not because I think only my opinion is right, and not because I enjoy arguing. The problem is that when you sit down and read a post that is (by nature) explaining one's point of view, it's very easy to interpret it in different ways. Not due to the content, but due to the attitude, tone of voice, etc. Obviously you can't always tell how words on a screen "are said", and that's where the problem lies. Sometimes it’s easy to assume that someone (me) is trying to be argumentative, know-it-all, etc, while sometimes people (like Asheskitty) read the posts and understood where they were coming from. You did see my posts as argumentative, and along those lines, you always do. I'm not going to get into an argument (lol) about this, because either way, I suppose it doesn’t really matter, but clearly you don't like me. Part of the reason I’ve been a bit rude with you, is because instead of coming at that dislike for me in a civil, mature way (which you have to an extent now), you've just been a jerk to me the only times you’ve said something to or about me. While I know I debate now and then, I never intentionally am rude to anyone. There are times you have thought I was being rude though, like for example when I posted about Ticket to Ride. I said something along the lines of "It looks pretty lame". Yes, that does sound blunt and rude towards a game that people like, and you made sure to chime in that "Idiotekque has no manners", but you didn't pay attention to the rest of that comment that I made. I said it looked pretty lame at first glance, and asked what the hubbub was about it. Why? Because I knew absolutely zero about the game besides hearing a LOT of people praising it. Then I went to look at pictures, and saw pictures of train conductors and whatnot. The pictures did not tell me much about the game, and they didn't make it look fun (a lot of really great games don’t LOOK fun from pictures). Another problem is that you probably had me on ignore, so you didn't hear the rest of what I said, which was basically "It looked pretty lame at first glance judging from the pictures, so that must really say something for the gameplay". I ended the discussion saying that I would definitely pick it up at 75% off. I also got a PM later that day from someone apologizing for how Motoki and some others can be “elitist assholes” about certain things. I wouldn’t go that far, but it shows that branding something on someone isn’t always exactly fair. It wasn’t fair of that person to call you that, just like it isn’t fair for you to brand certain things on me. Coming from instances like that, you have your perception of me painted and set in stone, even if you claim to continue to “give me chances”. Basically, no matter what I say, it really seems like you're going to take it negatively and argumentatively, even if it's not. The problem with the word "argument" is that it's subjective. I enjoy a healthy debate. Why? Not because I think only my way is right, but because I like hearing different sides and perspectives of the subject. When I said that it was good to "look at things from two sides", I wasn't telling everyone that they should do that, I was more trying to explain that I do that, and that's why now and again I may take the contrary stance on a matter. I'm in no way upset, angry, self-centered etc when I'm doing this, and a lot of time I actually would more easily sway towards the popular opinion (especially in this last case; that was an awful article). That said, I also tend to sympathize with someone who is getting bashed (like GamerX here), whether they deserve it or not, and I offered a different perspective that explained a likely issue he is having and how that issue created... a really crappy article. In the end, you (and probably others) seem to see a continued discussion from two different sides of the spectrum as one person insisting that their way is right. Just because someone takes a stance on something contrary to the popular opinion doesn’t mean that he is being a difficult asshole in continuing that discussion, or that he believes he has the end all, know all view on the matter. Along those lines, it does seem like you just want me to shut up, because you (and others) don’t agree with me. That’s a little unfair. When people look at the posts in the right light, the result is pretty pleasant. I enjoyed the debate/discussion I had with Asheskitty, and he or she mentioned how it was interesting to hear about some of that behind the scenes article writing/SEO stuff, regardless if he or she agreed with the point I brought up. Hell, I didn’t end up agreeing with the point I brought up (explained more later in the post). Admittedly, yes. You picked an isolated comment that could indeed be seen as rude. It was a little bit rude, yes. Do you know why I said this though? You post on this topic a lot. You start the little trends (Coconut Queen, simulators, etc), you pulled together your own private group (which has gotten bigger since; hell, I’m in it), and if anyone could be considered the “celebrities” of the Steam Deal thread, it’s you, CheapLikeAFox, and BigSpoonyBard. Because of this, when you make a joke, or take a side on a subject, people DO tend not only to agree with you, but to flat out post “Oh yeah! I think so too!” Why? Simple, people like you, because it’s the internet and you post lots of funny stuff. And yes, you’re a smart guy and you make useful posts too. However that comes with the entire “bandwagon” thing. I see it over, and over, and over again. It happens on ANY online forum with lots of members. Certain ones get more popular than others, and people follow their lead. I know you understand this; people do follow your lead (I think Sunasun has worshipped you and Coconut Queen since you started that trend). There’s nothing wrong with that, and I’m not saying there is, but it can get annoying sometimes, especially when someone else brings up valid points on a subject with an opinion contrary to yours. There’s nothing wrong with “swimming upstream”, so to speak, but it’s still a little funny how that all works. That said, I wasn’t being sarcastic. I think the entire bandwagon thing is funny. There’s also really nothing wrong with it. It actually goes to show the companionship between the CAGs here. So yes, it IS nice to see everyone jumping on a bandwagon sometimes, lol. I understand why you saw the comment as rude and sarcastic, but that actually wasn’t the intention. I apologize (to everyone) if that’s how it came across. As for being presumptuous, not so much. I don’t always mince words, and no, not everyone read that topic before forming an opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I wasn’t even rebuking people for not doing so. I don’t always read articles in their entirety either. Even someone who was “arguing” with me admitted that they didn’t read the article though, so if it was a “presumptuous assumption”, it was a correct one. I brought up search engine optimization because it was directly linked to what I was talking about. How so? Site owner with not enough time on his hands Losing revenue to Steam/pushing DRM free in a society where Steam is king Struggling to keep up a site that probably isn’t doing very well Needs more page hits (for both ad revenue and people who will actually like the site) Pumps out shoddy articles now and then because of these reasons Does this because SEO favors consistency (quality or not) over slow quality I never ever brought up “search engines” just to “argue” or “be right”. I did so because… well, that’s what I was talking about in the first place. It was really just a commentary on how it’s pretty stupid how SEO works, and how GamerX is probably struggling. All I ever said was that the article PROBABLY (I can’t count how many times I’ve said probably) sucks because of reason 1, reason 2, etc. And although I did find it funny how a crappy article or two will make people never look or buy indie bundles connected to that site, I never called those people stupid, or insisted that they should rethink their stance. That’s a personal thing, and principle based in a way. To reiterate, the above paragraph is not me arguing with you. I’m explaining why SEO was brought up, and how I did not bring it up as an argument. That’s all. I’m not totally sure how to respond to this, but I mean… really? Pretty much everyone on occasion jumps on the internet to do things quickly. For example, maybe I want to research something (that’s not particularly important) quickly. If I was serious about it, I’d probably look into encyclopedias, etc etc to find a lot of info about it. If I just wanna check it out quickly, I’ll probably hop on Wikipedia and spend a few minutes skimming the entry. It’s not really an assumption to guess that pretty much everyone here has jumped on Wikipedia (or Google, or whatever) really quick to find something out. But hey, I could very well be wrong. But that’s not even a bad thing or a rude assumption, is it? The internet lets you do things quickly; i.e. “instant gratification”. The subject just came up because it’s unfortunate how SEO favors that “instant gratification” over actual quality. But you “assume” here that I’m saying that “everyone is a blind sheep who follows along” and I “know better”? That’s kind of a rude assumption of my character. Like I said near the beginning of this post, it seems like you see anything that I say in a negative light. You immediately decide what my intentions are (negative and haughty), and after that, there’s really no turning back from that viewpoint. If you could read my posts from a neutral perspective, you could see that it was never my intention to “be right” or shove my opinion down peoples’ throats. Do you see how often I’ve used the word “probably” in my entire discussion about GamerX’s theoretical woes and them being the cause of his crappy article? Do I KNOW that he’s dealing with those issues and that that’s why that crappy article came out? No, I don’t! That’s why I say “probably”, because I’m saying “Everyone’s hating on him, but it’s probably not as simple as that. He probably is dealing with these issues, and that’s why his work is suffering; it’s too bad.” It was an idea from a theoretical viewpoint from the get go, and I implied that a number of times. For my posts to be conceived as completely peaceful and non-“I’m right! I’m right!”, perhaps I should write a disclaimer before every post saying: “In the following post I in no way believe my opinion to be the only true opinion. I do not think that my perspective on the matter is the only correct one, and it may be the incorrect one. I am only offering my own insight into the issue, which may be either noted or disregarded on an individual basis.” That would be silly though. The problem is that when something sounds the least bit blunt and opinionated on my part, you immediately are irritated by it and you think I’m trying to be right, when I’m really not. Obviously I understood that that’s how you felt, so I went and added that I wasn’t trying to be right, that it was just an idea, etc etc. Yet still you feel it necessary to drag me under the bus, and criticize me for not saying that immediately from the start. Is that really fair? This is an internet forum. They are FULL of blunt opinions that show no concern or care for what other people think. Still I try to explain myself to ease any “hurt feelings” or such, and still that is not enough for you. It kind of appears that the only way to appease you on my part would be to simply to never post any view I have on anything. Of course you just put me on ignore (which I don’t mind one way or the other), but then on that chance occasion that someone quotes me and replies to me, you find the need to be insult me. You’ve done this on a number of occasions when I said nothing rude, and you know that. The only reason I mentioned that the person who replied to me might not have read my post was because he said that it looked like I was “advocating” sloppy, quick articles. I wasn’t, and before he posted that, I clearly stated that I didn’t like how SEO favored those quick, weak articles in favor of slow, quality ones. If he had read my posts closely, he would have seen that. There’s nothing wrong with skimming posts; I do it too sometimes. It was just a simple misunderstanding; I was saying “Oh, you probably didn’t notice that I said this before in a previous post”, etc. I wasn’t being rude to him, and I never just said “Read my posts, you’re wrong.” I put that “Maybe you didn’t read my post, I’m not sure” at the beginning of my reply to him, and then reiterated what I said or implied before. And I wasn’t going to talk about your little post to me a few pages back, but since you brought it up, what the hell, right? Your post was nothing more than a rude, mocking, childish insult. You could have civilly and respectfully stated your distaste for something I said, but instead you just made fun of me. That was hurtful, and people chiming in and laughing at it was hurtful too. What does it matter though, right? It’s just my feelings; nothing important. Yes and no. A lot of people made comments along the lines of “I’m never going to that site again” or “That company isn’t getting any of my money”. Those are sweeping generalizations that since one article was shoddy, the entire site, company, etc, is crap and deserves no respect. That’s a personal decision, and no matter what anyone decides to think, there’s nothing wrong with that. I just decided to link another article of GamerX’s to show that he isn’t as crappy as a writer as everyone thought (even I assumed he was until I read it). On further inspection, the site is generally crap though. And that’s fine; fair enough. It’s hard because you can’t hear HOW I say things. Some things like sarcasm can be pulled from sentences where there was no sarcasm intended, and sometimes a sarcastic or joking sentence can be taken as a serious one. In the end though, you see my posts in a certain way, and I don’t think there’s any changing that. That’s totally fine, and that’s why you can ignore my posts. Just please don’t feel that it is your “God given duty” to say something snarky or rude when someone happens to quote one of my posts, as you’ve done a number of times in the past. That’s mean. If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all. (I have to tell myself that too.) I get what you’re saying, and it’s not really condescending, no. I understand that, and for the most part you’re right. The only misconception here is that when I (continue to) make comments towards a subject. I say something, someone says something back, I reply, etc. I enjoy the discussion; I’m not trying to get in the last word edgewise or prove that I’m right or that my view is better. I’ll try to explain that, because that’s clearly problem. I pretty much read every page of this thread (quite the mental workout, sometimes), so I enjoy seeing people start a discussion on something, take different sides on the matter, and let the words fly. Not to say I like to see people argue; that’s the thing. I enjoy it when RollingSkull comes in, bashes a game (with explained reasoning), and someone else who disagrees comes along and replies. The last conversation between RollingSkull and Hal (I think it was Hal; the guy with the monkey in a suit avatar) was great, because I got to see two people who are fans of the Serious Sam games explain why think certain games in the series are good or bad. It was a REALLY useful debate to read through, because I’ve never played any of the games. I came to the conclusion that if Serious Sam TSE went on sale for a little cheaper, I would probably grab it. So sometimes, a topic comes up that I feel I have something to say about. This honestly doesn’t always happen, because… well, I’m only 21 and half the time I DON’T know much about the subject. There have been loads of discussions about things like Onlive and the layoffs, president firing people, selling the company, asking them to come back, etc. Did I post an opinion on that? No, because I didn’t know enough about the subject to add anything useful to the discussion. Believe it or not, I don’t know everything, and I don’t think I do. But like I said, something there are topics that I feel I have something useful to add to. For example, during the Steam sale everybody was talking about Fallout 3 and New Vegas because they were on sale. I was late to the discussion (because that thread moved… really fast), but I kept up on it and ran into a couple posts about the games. One was simply a troll saying “f3 is the worst game to come out in a decade”, one was something along the lines of “New Vegas is way better than F3”, and the rest of the posts were people asking for help on deciding which to buy, if they should buy any, etc. I have played the Fallout series for years, and it’s one of my favorites, so I felt I had something to add to the conversation. I talked about how Fallout 3 and New Vegas are very similar, and how I personally wouldn’t consider one better than the other, but I brought out the changes and fixes that New Vegas brought (ADS, a better crafting system, etc), and how a lot of people consider Fallout 3 to still be the better game due to storyline, a bigger map, better wastelandy feel, etc. Just like now, I didn’t think that I was right or wrong, and I didn’t imply so either. New Vegas probably is the better game because of the fixes it brought, but that’s just opinion I guess. With this last topic about GATT and that article, I decided to chime in because I happened to have a little experience behind the scenes in the subject matter. I’ve worked for a company owner with no time on his hands who needed blog posts for traffic (his SEO guy was breathing down his neck). The result was that he was forced to write some articles himself, and they weren’t badly written, but they were very short. That’s why I thought it was worth mentioning that GamerX was probably going through the same thing. I had a little insight into the matter, so I brought it up. When people came back saying “No, that’s crap, he should still post quality stuff” my response was basically “Yes, I agree with you; he should; but sadly, SEO doesn’t agree with us.” It’s hard to say I was forcing my thoughts down peoples’ throats when I agreed with the popular opinion in the first place, and continually stated that. So I had something to say about that subject, because I had a little experience on the subject. That honestly doesn’t happen a whole lot; I’m young, and my “areas of expertise” include video games, writing (technical and fiction), and graphic arts (to a limited degree). I don’t have a wealth of knowledge and experience, because yes, I’m only 21. That said, I’m not trying to be high and mighty when I say that I can honestly say I don’t know it all. For example, I looked at GATT a bit more and found that there are actually a number of article writers other than GamerX, and that they post A LOT. In a way, I completely retract any idea that GamerX has an excuse for copying and pasting a Skype conversation to make up the bulk of an article. He has more than enough articles being posted to the site on a daily basis that he doesn’t need to rush an article like that. Further than that, I found an article (written by another writer on the site) about “Onami” releasing Castlevania LoS 2. That’s really sad; a typo that bad in the TITLE of an article, and on the front page? I can safely say I will not be going to that site for reviews or gaming news (even though I would probably still grab one of their bundles if it was cheap enough and I liked the games in it). From the get go, I wasn’t trying to say I was right. I didn’t even have a solid opinion on the matter, I just was talking along the lines of bringing up another side of the coin that may or may not be the case. People like Asheskitty read my posts and understood that (even though you might say that I “argued” with him), and the people I was “arguing” with, I didn’t really feel like we were arguing at all. Mostly because I agreed with what they were saying, I was just talking about how SEO can be pretty ridiculous. In case it’s not clear to you, nothing I’ve said in this post is me “arguing” with you. I am not right or wrong here; I’m only explaining myself to you in a level, detailed fashion, because this is the most mature comment you’ve ever offered to me, and because you’re saying some things about me as a person. Obviously you see my posts as “wanting to argue or be right”, and now I understand that. So here I am explaining that that is not my intention, and that you are reading my posts the wrong way. I’m sure it’s best for both of us if you simply don’t read my posts (i.e. Ignore) so that won’t continue to be an issue, but regardless, since you took the time to maturely explain yourself, I felt you deserved an explanation from me (not an argument, because there’s nothing here to be “wrong” about; you’re not “wrong”). I don’t know if you’ll see this or not, but oh well. It’s funny how you see my posts though, and think that I view myself and my opinion so highly. Have you read my name? Have you looked at my avatar? Not many people call themselves an “idiot”. The avatar is of two people pointing guns at each others heads. The next panel of that scene had them both bleeding, dead on the ground (not exactly SFW). Yes, the name references a Radiohead song, and I kind of think all humans are idiots in their own ways, but that idea doesn’t exclude me. I use it as my name because it applies to me (too well). Why? I have made too many wrong turns in (my very short) life, and I continue to make them on a daily basis. I hate my face. I often try to fix something so fervently, that I make it worse than when I started. I hurt the people who mean the most to me without trying. I forget to clip my toenails for way too long. I’m a bleeding heart in all the wrong ways, and probably none of the right ones. I come across as an asshole sometimes, because I get tired of caring what people think. I cheated on my girlfriend once. I like to debate. I dropped my cousin’s slice of pizza on the ground once and didn’t tell him when I gave it back. I could go on forever. I’m young. I’m human. I’m an idiot. If the name wasn’t a strong enough statement towards that fact, the avatar is supposed to reiterate it. I’m frequently wrong, and occasionally right. In fact I was just wrong about GamerX; he is indeed an idiot (too). By all of this reasoning, you may agree that it would be better if I simply didn’t post. If I’m an idiot, who wants to hear me speak, right? Maybe a lot of people here would agree with that idea. Feel free to say so if you do; maybe a couple hundred signature will convince me to stop posting. Still, I come to this site because I’m bored, and it’s fun to talk about games, find deals, and shoot the breeze now and then. Perhaps my skin is a bit thicker when it comes to online debates, because I used to frequent forums like GameFAQs and a community site for an old online game that was pretty much nothing BUT debates. I do forget that it’s easy for people to take written comments the wrong way on forums, so comments that I quickly punch out and post are sometimes blunt, and construed as “rude”, “condescending”, etc. I clearly have to watch for that more closely. That said, I do try to post useful things too. I manage the GOG Deals thread (although I’ve been slow on it lately), and when I do know something about a game, I try to offer good input on it (I have a fair number of reviews on Steam too). It’s a little upsetting when the “useful” posts fall by the wayside and the “bad” posts are the only ones that people pay attention to, but what can I do? In any case, this post has gone on for way, way, way too long. If anyone actually read it, that’s cool. If not? How could I ask you too, it’s 9 pages long or something. I didn’t write this in the hopes that you (Motoki) would decide to apologize and like me. Quite frankly, I don’t really care. It would be nice to bury the hatchet, because besides the annoyance received from your occasional insults to me, I really don’t have anything against you. That, and it’s the internet. I find it silly to get mad/offended/annoyed by people on a public forum talking about video games, but that’s just me. And if all of that wasn’t enough to explain things: Mea culpa.

Didn't read it. Just wanted to quote it.

Edit:
Wow, it worked, could quote the entire thing. Spoilered it to avoid clutter.


FWIW, I think both you guys time would be better spent playing games than writing books.

Also, your response was better written than anything on that GATT site.

Originally Posted by CheapLikeAFox Didn't read it. Just wanted to quote it.

I shit you not, I guessed your response in my head while I scrolled down the quote.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque I wasn't sure myself until I posted it.

You should really wrap that in a spoiler tag. That way everyone can still see it, but those who don't care can scroll past a much smaller post.

Just a suggestion.

Originally Posted by Jokerkun890 You should really wrap that in a spoiler tag. That way everyone can still see it, but those who don't care can scroll past a much smaller post. Just a suggestion.

Very good idea... Not sure why I didn't think of that. One sec.


EDIT: Done! Sorry about that.

Originally Posted by jimbodan Any word on whether or not it comes with keys (I'd imagine most of these are on Desura?) or if you'd get one if one of the games does end up making it to Steam?

Oops, thought that was in the press release info but I guess it's in the FAQ. Yes, they will give you Steam keys if the games eventually get accepted on to Steam via Greenlight.

First batch seems to be majority iOS games but it seems like a promotion they plan on continuing. A bit of a gamble since there's no guarantee of Steam keys but if they have a small enough minimum it's probably worth it (assuming you like the games offered).

From the FAQ:

Where are my steam codes? When any of the games included with the bundle become available on the Steam store you will get a code to download the game on Steam. In the meantime you can always download the DRM free versions of the games from the Green Light Bundle website.

Gunman Clive isn't perfect but I really enjoyed it for a simple mega man ish game. Just can't restate that enough.

Thanks for mentioning the Carcassonne PC port. GameFAQs doesn't even know it exists. These sorts of board games are a huge favorite of mine, especially with a decent presentation and AI.

Speaking of AI, the AI in this one loves farms a lot more than the Iphone version's city asshole yoinking habits... or was that the XBLA version...

Originally Posted by Sophita The first game is Final Fantasy Tactics - I have sunk more time into that game than any other game I have ever played. I think for 2 years 8th and 9th grade it was the only game I played. Yet somehow I have never finished the game I always got caught up in the story and also the random battles were addicting just leveling up the perfect skills and team building. On my best save I made it all the way up to Wiegraf only to save over both my saves when I was victorious only to realize I could never win at the rooftop battle as noone in my party was fast enough to save that one brother and sister(Also you couldn't exit the battle and return so I was stuck fighting an a unwinable battle) I swore I would beat FFT one day and so it remains shaking in fear of my throw stone skills. Second game is Jade Cocoon: I am not sure how many here have heard of it, if at all, however imagine a mature themed Pokemon. You play as a Boy who goes off to try and save his village from some sort of demonic curse and using a ocarina type thing you are able to capture various creatures you find and force them to fight for you. You can also fuse them together to try and make unique creatures with different skills that are inherited between generations like the Shin Megami Tensei system. One of the most memorable aspects is the game also allows your main character to fight, so your also collecting weapons and armor and potions for yourself as well on top of creature collecting. The games story I remember also becomes really dark and twisted the deeper you go into the game. The thing that stuck with me the most as a kid was unlike pokemon the enemy humans you face actually die when you defeat them, was crazy at the time knowing my little demons attualy killed someone, compared to just robbing them The game also has a very unique art style(and still holds up because of the art direction) to it, the controls I am sure if I went back to will be sluggish as it is a 3d ps1 game. But overall I have never seen a game like it or one that has even come close to it (Well the game did get a sequel but it was far too different and also lost the dark oppressive tone the original had as well as the monster collecting IIRC)

Two great ones IMO, FFT was the first game I bought for the Playstation. I still play it every once and a while now. I never owned Jade Cocoon but my best friend at the time did, and I used to play it a lot. I wouldn't say its one of my top games from that era, but I did enjoy the game. And honestly I am a bit surprised to see anyone else who knows of it, cause it didn't seem very popular then or now looking back.

Originally Posted by Sophita The first game is Final Fantasy Tactics - I have sunk more time into that game than any other game I have ever played. I think for 2 years 8th and 9th grade it was the only game I played. Yet somehow I have never finished the game I always got caught up in the story and also the random battles were addicting just leveling up the perfect skills and team building. On my best save I made it all the way up to Wiegraf only to save over both my saves when I was victorious only to realize I could never win at the rooftop battle as noone in my party was fast enough to save that one brother and sister(Also you couldn't exit the battle and return so I was stuck fighting an a unwinable battle) I swore I would beat FFT one day and so it remains shaking in fear of my throw stone skills.

Oh gosh, that's probably my first or second favorite game of all time. I have put so many hours into that game, and started so many games on it that I can't even hazard a guess. I only beat one save though, and actually did everything (finding every item in Deep Dungeon... oh god).

That rooftop mission is ridiculous though, you're right. I got stuck there and probably stopped playing the game for 6 months. The only way I got past it was investing in Flare on my wizard. All you have to do is put one enemy (Celia or Lede or the other guy) into critical status to complete the mission, IIRC. Flare is a really powerful, one-hit-kill kind of spell, so it did the trick for me.

You should give it another try!

Originally Posted by Sophita Second game is Jade Cocoon: I am not sure how many here have heard of it, if at all, however imagine a mature themed Pokemon. You play as a Boy who goes off to try and save his village from some sort of demonic curse and using a ocarina type thing you are able to capture various creatures you find and force them to fight for you. You can also fuse them together to try and make unique creatures with different skills that are inherited between generations like the Shin Megami Tensei system. One of the most memorable aspects is the game also allows your main character to fight, so your also collecting weapons and armor and potions for yourself as well on top of creature collecting. The games story I remember also becomes really dark and twisted the deeper you go into the game. The thing that stuck with me the most as a kid was unlike pokemon the enemy humans you face actually die when you defeat them, was crazy at the time knowing my little demons attualy killed someone, compared to just robbing them The game also has a very unique art style(and still holds up because of the art direction) to it, the controls I am sure if I went back to will be sluggish as it is a 3d ps1 game. But overall I have never seen a game like it or one that has even come close to it (Well the game did get a sequel but it was far too different and also lost the dark oppressive tone the original had as well as the monster collecting IIRC)

Y'know, I had the game at one point, but I ended up selling it. It seemed interesting, but the tank style movement turned me off. The voice overs were a very nice touch though; I didn't give the game enough of a chance.

Originally Posted by Sophita Resident Evil 2 blew my mind when I finished Claire's story only to realize that now I had to play as Leon for his side of the story and also finish the cliffhanger type ending.

Wasn't it Leon first, then Claire? I played the game through with Leon, then moved onto Claire and didn't get very far. So many Lickers.

Originally Posted by jimbodan Same here

And here.

My spreadsheet however has so many damn categories though: name, date purchased, condition, platform, price paid, where i bought, genre, developer, publisher, date released, whether i've played it or not, date finished. Yeah, I'm kind of crazy like that.

Originally Posted by asheskitty Hmm, this sorting does bring up an interesting question. How do you sort physical games? Computer games are little harder due to the large variation in package size, but console games benefit from the nice standardized size (barring CE). My PS2 and DVD-case sized computer games are sorted on bookcase shelves. Like things get lumped together, e.g. racing, or multititle series, but the rest are a little dynamic with recently played titles at one end and untouched backlog at the other.

That is much easier, on shelves sorted by console and alphabetized.

Originally Posted by pROvIs Does anyone else check the deal of the day and then quickly forget what it is because it is so underwhelming only to check it again a few minutes later thinking you went to the page and forgot to see what the deal of the day was? That happened to me twice today.

Yes, did it today twice too. I'm glad i'm not the only one.

Originally Posted by Syntax Error For you puzzle gamers, Impulse as the Pendulo collection on sale for $14.99 today. Yesterday The Next BIG Thing Runaway - A Twist of Fate Runaway - A Road Adventure Runaway - The Dream of the Turtle Not Steam activated.

That was the same price during the winter sale right? I hear everyone say they're good, but short. Can anyone tell me how short exactly?

Originally Posted by utopianmachine Hubby and I just played an hour or so of Lord of the Rings: War in the North. We had a surprisingly good time. We spent a while just figuring things out, how to trade items, how quests worked together. Controls are great so far, the game is beautiful. It feels very much like Skyrim, just set in The Lord of the Rings universe. I didn't have long to play as I have to work early tomorrow, but we're excited about tomorrow. He's playing the Dwarf, Farin, who has this ability to see when walls are weak and may conceal a secret. We already found sweet loot behind one wall, and we saved right at another. Cliffhanger!

I've played it for about 6 hours so far - some co-op and some SP. I kind of liked the LotR action games (I have them on Gamecube) they made a while back and was pleasantly surprised that this game was way more Action than RPG. I honestly can't figure out why it was reviewed so low!

I'm playing as the Elf Loremaster. She's a nice blend of ranged/melee/magic. In retrospect she might not have been the best choice for singleplayer because the AI players aren't overly useful.

All in all though, it's splendid fun and at $4 I'm extremely happy. Another great CAG find.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque That rooftop mission is ridiculous though, you're right. I got stuck there and probably stopped playing the game for 6 months. The only way I got past it was investing in Flare on my wizard. All you have to do is put one enemy (Celia or Lede or the other guy) into critical status to complete the mission, IIRC. Flare is a really powerful, one-hit-kill kind of spell, so it did the trick for me. You should give it another try!

Yup. That's pretty much what I did.

I never actually beat the game. I was woefully outmatched in a late battle that I couldn't exit out of, and I had no save that I could take a step back to. Still, I played a crapton of it.

Originally Posted by Idiotekque Wasn't it Leon first, then Claire? I played the game through with Leon, then moved onto Claire and didn't get very far. So many Lickers.

You could start with either disc, thus flipping the story around. Technology!!

Originally Posted by Idiotekque Note: This is really, really long. Just skip it if you aren't interested (it's just a long, peaceful response to Motoki, if he happens to see it). If you do happen to read it, the purpose of the post will be lost by just reading a part of it out of context. Then again, I doubt anyone will read this, so no worries. Responses are in the spoiler buttons. Well first off, I appreciate you at least explaining how you feel rather just than throwing out rude, jerky remarks. I've never singled you out and been rude to you (besides saying "What the heck, Motoki hates me."). I do have the tendency to debate, but not because I think only my opinion is right, and not because I enjoy arguing. The problem is that when you sit down and read a post that is (by nature) explaining one's point of view, it's very easy to interpret it in different ways. Not due to the content, but due to the attitude, tone of voice, etc. Obviously you can't always tell how words on a screen "are said", and that's where the problem lies. Sometimes it’s easy to assume that someone (me) is trying to be argumentative, know-it-all, etc, while sometimes people (like Asheskitty) read the posts and understood where they were coming from. You did see my posts as argumentative, and along those lines, you always do. I'm not going to get into an argument (lol) about this, because either way, I suppose it doesn’t really matter, but clearly you don't like me. Part of the reason I’ve been a bit rude with you, is because instead of coming at that dislike for me in a civil, mature way (which you have to an extent now), you've just been a jerk to me the only times you’ve said something to or about me. While I know I debate now and then, I never intentionally am rude to anyone. There are times you have thought I was being rude though, like for example when I posted about Ticket to Ride. I said something along the lines of "It looks pretty lame". Yes, that does sound blunt and rude towards a game that people like, and you made sure to chime in that "Idiotekque has no manners", but you didn't pay attention to the rest of that comment that I made. I said it looked pretty lame at first glance, and asked what the hubbub was about it. Why? Because I knew absolutely zero about the game besides hearing a LOT of people praising it. Then I went to look at pictures, and saw pictures of train conductors and whatnot. The pictures did not tell me much about the game, and they didn't make it look fun (a lot of really great games don’t LOOK fun from pictures). Another problem is that you probably had me on ignore, so you didn't hear the rest of what I said, which was basically "It looked pretty lame at first glance judging from the pictures, so that must really say something for the gameplay". I ended the discussion saying that I would definitely pick it up at 75% off. I also got a PM later that day from someone apologizing for how Motoki and some others can be “elitist assholes” about certain things. I wouldn’t go that far, but it shows that branding something on someone isn’t always exactly fair. It wasn’t fair of that person to call you that, just like it isn’t fair for you to brand certain things on me. Coming from instances like that, you have your perception of me painted and set in stone, even if you claim to continue to “give me chances”. Basically, no matter what I say, it really seems like you're going to take it negatively and argumentatively, even if it's not. The problem with the word "argument" is that it's subjective. I enjoy a healthy debate. Why? Not because I think only my way is right, but because I like hearing different sides and perspectives of the subject. When I said that it was good to "look at things from two sides", I wasn't telling everyone that they should do that, I was more trying to explain that I do that, and that's why now and again I may take the contrary stance on a matter. I'm in no way upset, angry, self-centered etc when I'm doing this, and a lot of time I actually would more easily sway towards the popular opinion (especially in this last case; that was an awful article). That said, I also tend to sympathize with someone who is getting bashed (like GamerX here), whether they deserve it or not, and I offered a different perspective that explained a likely issue he is having and how that issue created... a really crappy article. In the end, you (and probably others) seem to see a continued discussion from two different sides of the spectrum as one person insisting that their way is right. Just because someone takes a stance on something contrary to the popular opinion doesn’t mean that he is being a difficult asshole in continuing that discussion, or that he believes he has the end all, know all view on the matter. Along those lines, it does seem like you just want me to shut up, because you (and others) don’t agree with me. That’s a little unfair. When people look at the posts in the right light, the result is pretty pleasant. I enjoyed the debate/discussion I had with Asheskitty, and he or she mentioned how it was interesting to hear about some of that behind the scenes article writing/SEO stuff, regardless if he or she agreed with the point I brought up. Hell, I didn’t end up agreeing with the point I brought up (explained more later in the post). Admittedly, yes. You picked an isolated comment that could indeed be seen as rude. It was a little bit rude, yes. Do you know why I said this though? You post on this topic a lot. You start the little trends (Coconut Queen, simulators, etc), you pulled together your own private group (which has gotten bigger since; hell, I’m in it), and if anyone could be considered the “celebrities” of the Steam Deal thread, it’s you, CheapLikeAFox, and BigSpoonyBard. Because of this, when you make a joke, or take a side on a subject, people DO tend not only to agree with you, but to flat out post “Oh yeah! I think so too!” Why? Simple, people like you, because it’s the internet and you post lots of funny stuff. And yes, you’re a smart guy and you make useful posts too. However that comes with the entire “bandwagon” thing. I see it over, and over, and over again. It happens on ANY online forum with lots of members. Certain ones get more popular than others, and people follow their lead. I know you understand this; people do follow your lead (I think Sunasun has worshipped you and Coconut Queen since you started that trend). There’s nothing wrong with that, and I’m not saying there is, but it can get annoying sometimes, especially when someone else brings up valid points on a subject with an opinion contrary to yours. There’s nothing wrong with “swimming upstream”, so to speak, but it’s still a little funny how that all works. That said, I wasn’t being sarcastic. I think the entire bandwagon thing is funny. There’s also really nothing wrong with it. It actually goes to show the companionship between the CAGs here. So yes, it IS nice to see everyone jumping on a bandwagon sometimes, lol. I understand why you saw the comment as rude and sarcastic, but that actually wasn’t the intention. I apologize (to everyone) if that’s how it came across. As for being presumptuous, not so much. I don’t always mince words, and no, not everyone read that topic before forming an opinion. There’s nothing wrong with that, and I wasn’t even rebuking people for not doing so. I don’t always read articles in their entirety either. Even someone who was “arguing” with me admitted that they didn’t read the article though, so if it was a “presumptuous assumption”, it was a correct one. I brought up search engine optimization because it was directly linked to what I was talking about. How so? Site owner with not enough time on his hands Losing revenue to Steam/pushing DRM free in a society where Steam is king Struggling to keep up a site that probably isn’t doing very well Needs more page hits (for both ad revenue and people who will actually like the site) Pumps out shoddy articles now and then because of these reasons Does this because SEO favors consistency (quality or not) over slow quality I never ever brought up “search engines” just to “argue” or “be right”. I did so because… well, that’s what I was talking about in the first place. It was really just a commentary on how it’s pretty stupid how SEO works, and how GamerX is probably struggling. All I ever said was that the article PROBABLY (I can’t count how many times I’ve said probably) sucks because of reason 1, reason 2, etc. And although I did find it funny how a crappy article or two will make people never look or buy indie bundles connected to that site, I never called those people stupid, or insisted that they should rethink their stance. That’s a personal thing, and principle based in a way. To reiterate, the above paragraph is not me arguing with you. I’m explaining why SEO was brought up, and how I did not bring it up as an argument. That’s all. I’m not totally sure how to respond to this, but I mean… really? Pretty much everyone on occasion jumps on the internet to do things quickly. For example, maybe I want to research something (that’s not particularly important) quickly. If I was serious about it, I’d probably look into encyclopedias, etc etc to find a lot of info about it. If I just wanna check it out quickly, I’ll probably hop on Wikipedia and spend a few minutes skimming the entry. It’s not really an assumption to guess that pretty much everyone here has jumped on Wikipedia (or Google, or whatever) really quick to find something out. But hey, I could very well be wrong. But that’s not even a bad thing or a rude assumption, is it? The internet lets you do things quickly; i.e. “instant gratification”. The subject just came up because it’s unfortunate how SEO favors that “instant gratification” over actual quality. But you “assume” here that I’m saying that “everyone is a blind sheep who follows along” and I “know better”? That’s kind of a rude assumption of my character. Like I said near the beginning of this post, it seems like you see anything that I say in a negative light. You immediately decide what my intentions are (negative and haughty), and after that, there’s really no turning back from that viewpoint. If you could read my posts from a neutral perspective, you could see that it was never my intention to “be right” or shove my opinion down peoples’ throats. Do you see how often I’ve used the word “probably” in my entire discussion about GamerX’s theoretical woes and them being the cause of his crappy article? Do I KNOW that he’s dealing with those issues and that that’s why that crappy article came out? No, I don’t! That’s why I say “probably”, because I’m saying “Everyone’s hating on him, but it’s probably not as simple as that. He probably is dealing with these issues, and that’s why his work is suffering; it’s too bad.” It was an idea from a theoretical viewpoint from the get go, and I implied that a number of times. For my posts to be conceived as completely peaceful and non-“I’m right! I’m right!”, perhaps I should write a disclaimer before every post saying: “ In the following post I in no way believe my opinion to be the only true opinion. I do not think that my perspective on the matter is the only correct one, and it may be the incorrect one. I am only offering my own insight into the issue, which may be either noted or disregarded on an individual basis.” That would be silly though. The problem is that when something sounds the least bit blunt and opinionated on my part, you immediately are irritated by it and you think I’m trying to be right, when I’m really not. Obviously I understood that that’s how you felt, so I went and added that I wasn’t trying to be right, that it was just an idea, etc etc. Yet still you feel it necessary to drag me under the bus, and criticize me for not saying that immediately from the start. Is that really fair? This is an internet forum. They are FULL of blunt opinions that show no concern or care for what other people think. Still I try to explain myself to ease any “hurt feelings” or such, and still that is not enough for you. It kind of appears that the only way to appease you on my part would be to simply to never post any view I have on anything. Of course you just put me on ignore (which I don’t mind one way or the other), but then on that chance occasion that someone quotes me and replies to me, you find the need to be insult me. You’ve done this on a number of occasions when I said nothing rude, and you know that. The only reason I mentioned that the person who replied to me might not have read my post was because he said that it looked like I was “advocating” sloppy, quick articles. I wasn’t, and before he posted that, I clearly stated that I didn’t like how SEO favored those quick, weak articles in favor of slow, quality ones. If he had read my posts closely, he would have seen that. There’s nothing wrong with skimming posts; I do it too sometimes. It was just a simple misunderstanding; I was saying “Oh, you probably didn’t notice that I said this before in a previous post”, etc. I wasn’t being rude to him, and I never just said “Read my posts, you’re wrong.” I put that “Maybe you didn’t read my post, I’m not sure” at the beginning of my reply to him, and then reiterated what I said or implied before. And I wasn’t going to talk about your little post to me a few pages back, but since you brought it up, what the hell, right? Your post was nothing more than a rude, mocking, childish insult. You could have civilly and respectfully stated your distaste for something I said, but instead you just made fun of me. That was hurtful, and people chiming in and laughing at it was hurtful too. What does it matter though, right? It’s just my feelings; nothing important. Yes and no. A lot of people made comments along the lines of “I’m never going to that site again” or “That company isn’t getting any of my money”. Those are sweeping generalizations that since one article was shoddy, the entire site, company, etc, is crap and deserves no respect. That’s a personal decision, and no matter what anyone decides to think, there’s nothing wrong with that. I just decided to link another article of GamerX’s to show that he isn’t as crappy as a writer as everyone thought (even I assumed he was until I read it). On further inspection, the site is generally crap though. And that’s fine; fair enough. It’s hard because you can’t hear HOW I say things. Some things like sarcasm can be pulled from sentences where there was no sarcasm intended, and sometimes a sarcastic or joking sentence can be taken as a serious one. In the end though, you see my posts in a certain way, and I don’t think there’s any changing that. That’s totally fine, and that’s why you can ignore my posts. Just please don’t feel that it is your “God given duty” to say something snarky or rude when someone happens to quote one of my posts, as you’ve done a number of times in the past. That’s mean. If you have nothing nice to say, don’t say anything at all. (I have to tell myself that too.) I get what you’re saying, and it’s not really condescending, no. I understand that, and for the most part you’re right. The only misconception here is that when I (continue to) make comments towards a subject. I say something, someone says something back, I reply, etc. I enjoy the discussion; I’m not trying to get in the last word edgewise or prove that I’m right or that my view is better. I’ll try to explain that, because that’s clearly problem. I pretty much read every page of this thread (quite the mental workout, sometimes), so I enjoy seeing people start a discussion on something, take different sides on the matter, and let the words fly. Not to say I like to see people argue; that’s the thing. I enjoy it when RollingSkull comes in, bashes a game (with explained reasoning), and someone else who disagrees comes along and replies. The last conversation between RollingSkull and Hal (I think it was Hal; the guy with the monkey in a suit avatar) was great, because I got to see two people who are fans of the Serious Sam games explain why think certain games in the series are good or bad. It was a REALLY useful debate to read through, because I’ve never played any of the games. I came to the conclusion that if Serious Sam TSE went on sale for a little cheaper, I would probably grab it. So sometimes, a topic comes up that I feel I have something to say about. This honestly doesn’t always happen, because… well, I’m only 21 and half the time I DON’T know much about the subject. There have been loads of discussions about things like Onlive and the layoffs, president firing people, selling the company, asking them to come back, etc. Did I post an opinion on that? No, because I didn’t know enough about the subject to add anything useful to the discussion. Believe it or not, I don’t know everything, and I don’t think I do. But like I said, something there are topics that I feel I have something useful to add to. For example, during the Steam sale everybody was talking about Fallout 3 and New Vegas because they were on sale. I was late to the discussion (because that thread moved… really fast), but I kept up on it and ran into a couple posts about the games. One was simply a troll saying “f3 is the worst game to come out in a decade”, one was something along the lines of “New Vegas is way better than F3”, and the rest of the posts were people asking for help on deciding which to buy, if they should buy any, etc. I have played the Fallout series for years, and it’s one of my favorites, so I felt I had something to add to the conversation. I talked about how Fallout 3 and New Vegas are very similar, and how I personally wouldn’t consider one better than the other, but I brought out the changes and fixes that New Vegas brought (ADS, a better crafting system, etc), and how a lot of people consider Fallout 3 to still be the better game due to storyline, a bigger map, better wastelandy feel, etc. Just like now, I didn’t think that I was right or wrong, and I didn’t imply so either. New Vegas probably is the better game because of the fixes it brought, but that’s just opinion I guess. With this last topic about GATT and that article, I decided to chime in because I happened to have a little experience behind the scenes in the subject matter. I’ve worked for a company owner with no time on his hands who needed blog posts for traffic (his SEO guy was breathing down his neck). The result was that he was forced to write some articles himself, and they weren’t badly written, but they were very short. That’s why I thought it was worth mentioning that GamerX was probably going through the same thing. I had a little insight into the matter, so I brought it up. When people came back saying “No, that’s crap, he should still post quality stuff” my response was basically “Yes, I agree with you; he should; but sadly, SEO doesn’t agree with us.” It’s hard to say I was forcing my thoughts down peoples’ throats when I agreed with the popular opinion in the first place, and continually stated that. So I had something to say about that subject, because I had a little experience on the subject. That honestly doesn’t happen a whole lot; I’m young, and my “areas of expertise” include video games, writing (technical and fiction), and graphic arts (to a limited degree). I don’t have a wealth of knowledge and experience, because yes, I’m only 21. That said, I’m not trying to be high and mighty when I say that I can honestly say I don’t know it all. For example, I looked at GATT a bit more and found that there are actually a number of article writers other than GamerX, and that they post A LOT. In a way, I completely retract any idea that GamerX has an excuse for copying and pasting a Skype conversation to make up the bulk of an article. He has more than enough articles being posted to the site on a daily basis that he doesn’t need to rush an article like that. Further than that, I found an article (written by another writer on the site) about “Onami” releasing Castlevania LoS 2. That’s really sad; a typo that bad in the TITLE of an article, and on the front page? I can safely say I will not be going to that site for reviews or gaming news (even though I would probably still grab one of their bundles if it was cheap enough and I liked the games in it). From the get go, I wasn’t trying to say I was right. I didn’t even have a solid opinion on the matter, I just was talking along the lines of bringing up another side of the coin that may or may not be the case. People like Asheskitty read my posts and understood that (even though you might say that I “argued” with him), and the people I was “arguing” with, I didn’t really feel like we were arguing at all. Mostly because I agreed with what they were saying, I was just talking about how SEO can be pretty ridiculous. In case it’s not clear to you, nothing I’ve said in this post is me “arguing” with you. I am not right or wrong here; I’m only explaining myself to you in a level, detailed fashion, because this is the most mature comment you’ve ever offered to me, and because you’re saying some things about me as a person. Obviously you see my posts as “wanting to argue or be right”, and now I understand that. So here I am explaining that that is not my intention, and that you are reading my posts the wrong way. I’m sure it’s best for both of us if you simply don’t read my posts (i.e. Ignore) so that won’t continue to be an issue, but regardless, since you took the time to maturely explain yourself, I felt you deserved an explanation from me (not an argument, because there’s nothing here to be “wrong” about; you’re not “wrong”). I don’t know if you’ll see this or not, but oh well. It’s funny how you see my posts though, and think that I view myself and my opinion so highly. Have you read my name? Have you looked at my avatar? Not many people call themselves an “idiot”. The avatar is of two people pointing guns at each others heads. The next panel of that scene had them both bleeding, dead on the ground (not exactly SFW). Yes, the name references a Radiohead song, and I kind of think all humans are idiots in their own ways, but that idea doesn’t exclude me. I use it as my name because it applies to me (too well). Why? I have made too many wrong turns in (my very short) life, and I continue to make them on a daily basis. I hate my face. I often try to fix something so fervently, that I make it worse than when I started. I hurt the people who mean the most to me without trying. I forget to clip my toenails for way too long. I’m a bleeding heart in all the wrong ways, and probably none of the right ones. I come across as an asshole sometimes, because I get tired of caring what people think. I cheated on my girlfriend once. I like to debate. I dropped my cousin’s slice of pizza on the ground once and didn’t tell him when I gave it back. I could go on forever. I’m young. I’m human. I’m an idiot. If the name wasn’t a strong enough statement towards that fact, the avatar is supposed to reiterate it. I’m frequently wrong, and occasionally right. In fact I was just wrong about GamerX; he is indeed an idiot (too). By all of this reasoning, you may agree that it would be better if I simply didn’t post. If I’m an idiot, who wants to hear me speak, right? Maybe a lot of people here would agree with that idea. Feel free to say so if you do; maybe a couple hundred signatures will convince me to stop posting. Still, I come to this site because I’m bored, and it’s fun to talk about games, find deals, and shoot the breeze now and then. Perhaps my skin is a bit thicker when it comes to online debates, because I used to frequent forums like GameFAQs and a community site for an old online game that was pretty much nothing BUT debates. I do forget that it’s easy for people to take written comments the wrong way on forums, so comments that I quickly punch out and post are sometimes blunt, and construed as “rude”, “condescending”, etc. I clearly have to watch for that more closely. That said, I do try to post useful things too. I manage the GOG Deals thread (although I’ve been slow on it lately), and when I do know something about a game, I try to offer good input on it (I have a fair number of reviews on Steam too). It’s a little upsetting when the “useful” posts fall by the wayside and the “bad” posts are the only ones that people pay attention to, but what can I do? In any case, this post has gone on for way, way, way too long. If anyone actually read it, that’s cool. If not? How could I ask you too, it’s 9 pages long or something. I didn’t write this in the hopes that you (Motoki) would decide to apologize and like me. Quite frankly, I don’t really care. It would be nice to bury the hatchet, because besides the annoyance received from your occasional insults to me, I really don’t have anything against you. That, and it’s the internet. I find it silly to get mad/offended/annoyed by people on a public forum talking about video games, but that’s just me. And if all of that wasn’t enough to explain things: Mea culpa .

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Didn't realize War In The North was co-op, that sounds fun. Thanks UtopianMachine!

My GF and I have been playing a bunch of co-op Orcs Must Die 2. Tons of fun, but after playing it solo, then going back and doing it co-op, I realize it's really meant to be played multiplayer. They had to design the maps a certain way to be conducive to 2 players, and in doing so, it makes the single-player game much more difficult. Solo is still totally doable, just more challenging than the first. For now, my recommendation is OMD1 if you're planning on solo and haven't played the series yet, OMD2 if you know you'll play co-op or are dying for more OMD.

All that aside, super-stoked to have pre-ordered the OMD2 two-pack. Highly recommend it (for multi especially) when it goes on sale. Chasing skulls is awesome in this one, adds tons of replayability.

OT: hoping that Motoki and Idiotekque drop it now, this is a good place to leave your conversation. At risk of sounding rude, most of us don't care about your feelings or whatever it is that you're writing pages to each other about.

Originally Posted by BigSpoonyBard Yup. That's pretty much what I did. I never actually beat the game. I was woefully outmatched in a late battle that I couldn't exit out of, and I had no save that I could take a step back to. Still, I played a crapton of it.

Yeah, FFT was certainly not a forgiving game. It was probably the game that created my habit of having like... three rotating save files for each playthrough of any game. Some of the late boss battles had you save before them, were ridiculously difficult, and gave you no chance to leave the battle. I'm still not sure how I got through some of them; that game was satisfying to finish though (really impressive final battle, in my opinion).

Originally Posted by BigSpoonyBard You could start with either disc, thus flipping the story around. Technology!!

What! I would have much rather stared at pixel Claire all night on my first playthrough... Damn.

@ gordojones88

Is it absolutely necessary to open quote a 2 page post. For sake. Seriously? Please edit that with a spoiler tag, even the original post had that. We go through enough versions of this thread without starting this kind of dis-respectful crap. And to the parties having their bitch session out in the open, noone cares, take it to Private Messaging. I don't care if there is even a Steam related issue at the heart of it, this is completely unnecessary, and a waste of the thread. And that's BEFORE people start quoting it just to embed a youtube video that offers even less to this thread. Get it together or I'll send it to CheapyD showing why he needs mods on certain threads, and show him exactly WHY he has to keep making new versions of this thread.