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I don't vote.

If forced at gunpoint, I'd write in Donald Duck or something.

For posterity, I was a neocon in 2004. Glad I decided to lift weights and do wind sprints instead of vote, otherwise I'd have a Bush vote over my head.

Originally Posted by dohdough HAHAHA...he's actually pretty thin or at least he was a couple years ago. He posted some stand up he did in another thread. His material was ok, but timing could've used some improvement along with delivery. As for being a douche, what libertarian isn't?

I don't know - some liberatarians just come off as misguided liberals, but this guy isn't one of them. Berzirk has fully absorbed the bigotry and misogyny of the GOP, and he seems to be particularly angry at women.

Was his standup any good? Doug Stanhope is proof that Libertarians can be funny, but I have a feeling that this guy is no Doug Stanhope.

Originally Posted by camoor I don't know - some liberatarians just come off as misguided liberals, but this guy isn't one of them. Berzirk has fully absorbed the bigotry and misogyny of the GOP, and he seems to be particularly angry at women.

I don't think he's a misguided liberal either, but there's definitely some dissonance going on with him, especially with his views on Malcolm X; it couldn't be more opposite from how the GOP frames him.

Was his standup any good? Doug Stanhope is proof that Libertarians can be funny, but I have a feeling that this guy is no Doug Stanhope.

Yeah, he was ok. I've seen a lot worse and a lot better. It's a really tough gig, so I'm not going to hold that against him. His politics is another thing though.

Am I the only one that doesn't like Stanhope? I mean, he has his moments, but he just seems really angry and just complaining instead of actually trying. The "I'm cool enough to smoke while performing" shtick isn't helping either....

2004: Kerry
2008: Obama
2012: Johnson

And never not vote, there are local elections that are very important, and if you have initiatives this could up your state beyond all recognition like in California. We have a habit of voting for luxuries and not wanting to pay for them. You ers who don't vote could help in that area. If you're going to vote for luxury items, don't vote against taxes.

Originally Posted by RealDeals Am I the only one that doesn't like Stanhope? I mean, he has his moments, but he just seems really angry and just complaining instead of actually trying. The "I'm cool enough to smoke while performing" shtick isn't helping either....

I don't think Stanhope is the funniest, but something about his act fascinates me. He seems to thrive off of chaos and I find that interesting.

McCain vs Obama. Went with McCain pretty much based off experience.

Romney vs Obama. I am leaning towards Romney since I'm really not a huge fan of Obama due to his performance in office. But I haven't made my final decision yet.

Can't help but wonder where all this concern for name calling of women was when posters here kept calling Palin a ****.

Oh, that's right - Republican women don't actually count as women.

Originally Posted by UncleBob Can't help but wonder where all this concern for name calling of women was when posters here kept calling Palin a ****. Oh, that's right - Republican women don't actually count as women.

Well, I can at least remember this one.

Originally Posted by dohdough I have to side with perdition on this one. Calling her a cunt really isn't necessary when there are so many other insults to use...and I've used plenty. It's kinda skirting the "I don't hate black people, just n****rs" line.

I'm not familiar with the term's history, so I just accept that it's un-objectively hateful and won't use it.

Didn't vote until the last election and I unfortunately voted Obama. Not sure I'll vote this year either, as I most certainly will not vote Obama.

Originally Posted by dohdough HAHAHA...he's actually pretty thin or at least he was a couple years ago. He posted some stand up he did in another thread. His material was ok, but timing could've used some improvement along with delivery. As for being a douche, what libertarian isn't?

Whoo hoo! I got to see a Camoor comment thanks to the quote. Since I have him on block, I don't usually get to enjoy those.

Yah, I'm a lean dude. Bout 5'10, 155lbs. I've been trying to beef up a bit though through lifting. I do full frontal too if Camoor is really that interested. I remember from a nutrition thread that Camoor is actually a fatass, so his comment is particularly funny. My wife has had three kids, but she's about 5'7" and 130lbs. She's started working out for the last few weeks hoping to drop about 10-15lbs in baby weight after having our 4mo old. She's cute, and so are my kids.

Regarding my stand-up, I agree, I was just OK. I got paid more often than performing free at open mics, but with only about a year to a year and a half of performing, I'd say I was better than many with that level of experience. A handful of friends who stuck with it have done well for themselves. National headliners, appeared on late night shows. I actually had a great show for this benefit last Spring. My best show ever. I opened for a guy from the Axis of Evil Comedy Tour and he really complimented me heavily, which is usually rare from more established comedians. That was really nice.

I'm a registered Independent and think Libertarians go too far in their no-government mantra.

I'm an Aquarius, and my favorite food is Thai. Anything else I can answer for you Camoor? Doh, do me a solid and quote him so I can be sure not to miss it!

Originally Posted by UncleBob Can't help but wonder where all this concern for name calling of women was when posters here kept calling Palin a ****. Oh, that's right - Republican women don't actually count as women.

Not talking about name calling.

We're talking about the gender-specific nature of judging a politician's qualities based solely on appearance. Name calling didn't come up until your post.

Originally Posted by berzirk Whoo hoo! I got to see a Camoor comment thanks to the quote. Since I have him on block, I don't usually get to enjoy those. Yah, I'm a lean dude. Bout 5'10, 155lbs. I've been trying to beef up a bit though through lifting. I do full frontal too if Camoor is really that interested. I remember from a nutrition thread that Camoor is actually a fatass, so his comment is particularly funny. My wife has had three kids, but she's about 5'7" and 130lbs. She's started working out for the last few weeks hoping to drop about 10-15lbs in baby weight after having our 4mo old. She's cute, and so are my kids. Regarding my stand-up, I agree, I was just OK. I got paid more often than performing free at open mics, but with only about a year to a year and a half of performing, I'd say I was better than many with that level of experience. A handful of friends who stuck with it have done well for themselves. National headliners, appeared on late night shows. I actually had a great show for this benefit last Spring. My best show ever. I opened for a guy from the Axis of Evil Comedy Tour and he really complimented me heavily, which is usually rare from more established comedians. That was really nice. I'm a registered Independent and think Libertarians go too far in their no-government mantra. I'm an Aquarius, and my favorite food is Thai. Anything else I can answer for you Camoor? Doh, do me a solid and quote him so I can be sure not to miss it!

Sure. How would you feel if your wife was judged solely on the basis of her being overweight? If she lost a job to a different candidate who was less qualified but a normal weight (IE not overweight) and prettier?

2000
Would have voted Gore but was 5 months shy of voting age

2004
Didn't care. Even tho I was vocal in my hatred of Bush. Glad I didn't or I would have been pissed more that Kerry lost

2008
First time out and went Obama. Waited in line that was nearly half a mile long for hours. No way was I voting for someone who didn't have the sense to nominate a VP that wasn't a stupid bitch.

2012
If I decide to vote, Obama. Sorry, but Mittens and Ryan can go play hide and go themselves. No way in hell am I voting for some who thinks that rape is "another form of conception" and wants to make a full amendment to the Constitution that makes gay marriage illegal. As I keep saying, your religion is not my government. Its almost to the point that on those two issues, I view a Romney voter as someone that WANTS women and gays like myself to be seen and treated as second class citizens

Originally Posted by camoor Sure. How would you feel if your wife was judged solely on the basis of her being overweight? If she lost a job to a different candidate who was less qualified but a normal weight (IE not overweight) and prettier?

That happened with, I think, Kristine Kraft her name was. She was around Kansas City, Missouri and wanted to be on the air. She was smarter then most of the anchors but she wasn't attractive for air.
I know you're talking to Berzirk but I figured I'd give a little history here. I believe she was rewarded but the company still was allowed NOT to put her on air.
Shame really.

Oh and if anyone wants to talk about Republican women the truth is that truly Conservative White women Republican pundits(the one's who get on air) almost always tend to be ugly. Christine O'Donnell, moderate. Meagan McCain, moderate. Anne Coulture, ugly. I'll take Michelle Malkin or Amy Holmes any day over these women in terms of looks(doesn't help that Coulture is ugly as on the inside). Palin has a horse face(I'm looking at you Hillary Swank) but a great body. I believe Phyllis Schaffly is ugly as well.
I threw in the dig at Swank because I believe she left her boyfriend or husband shortly after getting the Oscar.
Though some of the women Democrats don't help things. I think Pelosi honestly looks worse probably because of getting Botox(terrible example for her daughter when the Democrat side is not suppose to be all about the physical looks as much).
I'm sure my post will get ripped apart by a certain person since I sound like such an ass in this.

Edit: Almost forgot, will likely vote Johnson or write in Ron Paul and Cynthia McKinney. Since Johnson isn't ex-CIA like Bob Barr then I'm leaning towards him. If the Green party would show bigger numbers in my state I'd vote them instead. Bottom line is that we need a third party. I'm sick and tired of having to choose between a "Douchebag and a shit sandwich".

Originally Posted by Sarang01 That happened with, I think, Kristine Kraft her name was. She was around Kansas City, Missouri and wanted to be on the air. She was smarter then most of the anchors but she wasn't attractive for air. I know you're talking to Berzirk but I figured I'd give a little history here. I believe she was rewarded but the company still was allowed NOT to put her on air. Shame really.

It is a shame, and my only point was that it's easy for Bezirk to objectify women but I wonder how he would feel if his wife was the victim of objectification.

Also that he's a sexist pig

Well he's bitter because of his own immanence. Once he realizes this he will be better off.

To camoor: ...seriously? You don't think people's apperances play a role in politics and their success? Have you ever heard the phrase so and so "doesn't LOOK Presidential?" As shallow as it is, appearances play a huge role in politics. So I'm a Ron Paul fan, but the fact that apparently nobody can find him a suit that fits, makes him always look withery and dying. It's like he's always wearing a women's medium jacket.

Bob Dole looked too old to be President. McCain had those tumors removed from his face, and along with age it all made him look very stale. John Edwards "looked Presidential" but was a creep. Kucinich looks like some sort of LOTR creature. Chris Christie is really, really fat. Many people worry that his obesity is a reason why people won't vote for him. So while it's not nice, and it's not fair that someone that looks good advances more often in politics and business than someone who is ugly...it's a reality.

This even applies in medicine. I have a friend who is a doctor. She's in her early 30's but looks young. Patients have come to see her, she does a good job with them, but they comment that she looks so young that they doubt her credentials. It happens everywhere.

Originally Posted by berzirk To camoor: ...seriously? You don't think people's apperances play a role in politics and their success? Have you ever heard the phrase so and so "doesn't LOOK Presidential?" As shallow as it is, appearances play a huge role in politics. So I'm a Ron Paul fan, but the fact that apparently nobody can find him a suit that fits, makes him always look withery and dying. It's like he's always wearing a women's medium jacket. Bob Dole looked too old to be President. McCain had those tumors removed from his face, and along with age it all made him look very stale. John Edwards "looked Presidential" but was a creep. Kucinich looks like some sort of LOTR creature. Chris Christie is really, really fat. Many people worry that his obesity is a reason why people won't vote for him. So while it's not nice, and it's not fair that someone that looks good advances more often in politics and business than someone who is ugly...it's a reality. This even applies in medicine. I have a friend who is a doctor. She's in her early 30's but looks young. Patients have come to see her, she does a good job with them, but they comment that she looks so young that they doubt her credentials. It happens everywhere.

I've never heard anyone say that Hilary's appearance will affect her health. She isn't especially old, she isn't morbidly obese, there really isn't anything about her appearance that implies that she is not in reasonable health. Comparing her to Chris Christie is laughable.

So don't play that card. Attack her policy, attack her political actions, heck if you don't think she's dressed appropriately then say it, that's all fair game. When you attack her for looking "ragged" and putting on a few pounds it's sexist.

1996 CLINTON VS DOLE
Not yet a citizen

2000 GORE VS BUSH
Gore because Bush seemed like such a doofus

2004 BUSH VS KERRY
Nader because Bush proved himseld to be a doofus and Kerry wasn't the Kerry that we recently saw

2008 OBAMA VS MCCAIN
Obama, Palin was terrible and 8 years of GOP was bad enough

2012 OBAMA VS ROMNEY
Obama, Romney is just a moldy twat.


Voted for Franken because Norm Coleman is just an opportunistic turncoat. Would have voted for Wellstone had he not died. I met him at some function in '97 or '98 and he remembered me 3 years later. That's absurd.