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Originally Posted by dtcarson Hey, he's not a *total* troll/threadcrapper...why, on that search page, I saw a full one post like this: "Viewtiful Joe isn;t that bad." Coming from him, that's equivalent to "Viewtiful Joe is the best game ever!"

That's so true.

I agree with the OP. Trolls, annoying people, and asshats are the main reason why I dont post here as much. That DDF guy doesn't bother me, since I know everything he says is just gonna be "_______ sucks". What really gets on my nerves are people that crap in other people's trade lists. I could make a list of people like this, but that wouldn't be fair.

IMHO DennisDfat is not a troll. His opinion is gay (that everything sucks) but at least he has an opinion. Most of the post I have seen he just gives his opinion then leaves.
I may be wrong but DennisDfat is not the problem. (I have been wrong before, I once stood up for MWL before he started with the hate speach and obvious trolling. Sorry Defender)

troll from dictionary.com #2.

v.,n. 1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To
utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable
responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase
"trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream
"trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a
likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post
that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look
even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to
the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate
troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See
also YHBT. 2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1;
regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by
the fact that the have no real interest in learning about the topic
at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming
characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of
life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." 3.
[Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS
students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab
policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves
lurking in dark cavelike corners.

We should bann people who use the term "thread crapper".

I am so sick of this CAG fad where anything you subjectively don't like is labeled as "thread crapping".

And like it was already mentioned - if we are going to get rid of pointless posts then we need to start with the off-topic board and the OTT's

Saying,"I don't like trolls" is one thing. Saying,"I don't like DenisDFat" is another thing. Calling DenisDFat a troll is a third thing.

Not liking trolls is a recurrent theme and every so often somebody starts a thread complaining about how obnoxious people are ruining the site. We all take turns saying,"Oh you can always ignore posts you don't like" and "Well, sure, but things are really getting out of hand!" yadda yadda yadda. Oddly enough, most of the participants are people who've been around for a while but don't seem to mind repeating things over and over again.

Rather than trading cliched posts with y'all, I'd like to say to the OP:
nobody likes trolls and we all have people we don't like on this site. It's perfectly natural; what are the odds that everybody would think everyone else here was swell? We ALL have people here who we think of as idiots who detract from the site. It's subjective and better left as it is, unless this place turns into a popularity contest. DenisDFat annoys you? More power to you. Dislike him to your heart's content and feel free to badmouth him. You don't like trolls? Join the club. You want to accuse Denis of being a troll? Fine, he's a troll. Starting a thread to get people to agree with you that he's a troll is....what? What do you hope to accomplish? That enough people will slap their foreheads and exclaim"Great Scott he's right. I should email a moderator and ask that he be banned!"? If he'd crossed the line, someone would've banned him. The guy with his finger on the button knows when the line has been crossed.

This sort of thread is the seed for popularity contests. A bud with good intentions, but which (in my longwinded opinion) should be nipped.

Originally Posted by Scrubking And like it was already mentioned - if we are going to get rid of pointless posts then we need to start with the off-topic board and the OTT's

Why the OTTs? I'm sure I will come off as biased when I say this, but the OTTs do no harm whatsoever. The Off-Topic board exists as a place away from the tension of the rest of the board. It's a place to relax. I kow the idea of "relaxing" on a message board sounds silly to begin with, but that doesn't change the fact that the OTTs and the OT board do no harm. If you don't like it, stay away from it. That's what I do with the VS board.

Um, no.
I don't recall having seen the term threadcrap ihere in quite some time.
Threadcrapping is not the same thing as trolling.
To me, vis that search of DDF's posts, 90% of what he does fits the exact definition of threadcrapping.
Post A: What do you think of this game?
Post B: it's not too bad, it's kinda hard though.
DDF: game sucks

That's threadcrapping. And assuming your post was directed at me, to accuse me of jumping on a
'fad' is laughable, since i dislike most things that are popular. For instance, I despise the word 'asshat', and I think that's the only time I've ever typed it [unless I've posted in a Fads You Hate thread'.]

Posts I don't like, are posts I don't like. It's a free net, as long as the mods/admin let it be, I got nothing to complain about.

I agree with spoo, DDF, as shown by a quick search of his posts, isn't a troll. He's a threadcrapper, by definition, and if my calling someone exactly what he is, is a fad, then fad me up.

Post A: What do you think of this game? Post B: it's not too bad, it's kinda hard though. DDF: game sucks That's threadcrapping.

No, that's his opinion!

You call it "thread crapping" simply because you disagree with it.

See how dumb the term is?

Originally Posted by Scrubking No, that's his opinion! You call it "thread crapping" simply because you disagree with it. See how dumb the term is?

The opinion isn't the problem, it's the non sequitur manner it's stated in and fact that it's meant only to derail the topic, to invite crap posts, hence thread crapping.

These are the type of people that need to be banned (and in this case already has and continues to be an annoyance upon returning).

Exactly.
Constantly saying 'It sucks' isn't an opinion, it's threadcrapping.
Saying "I hate that game because it made me collect disks *and* get to a save point' is expressing an opinion.

Originally Posted by Ledhed Why the OTTs? I'm sure I will come off as biased when I say this, but the OTTs do no harm whatsoever. The Off-Topic board exists as a place away from the tension of the rest of the board. It's a place to relax. I kow the idea of "relaxing" on a message board sounds silly to begin with, but that doesn't change the fact that the OTTs and the OT board do no harm. If you don't like it, stay away from it. That's what I do with the VS board.

I'll chime in here. Here's the thing Led, as I'm sure you're well aware of, there are a good bunch of you that absolutely love posting in the OT forum and the OTTs. OTOH, I would wager that there are an equal amount of people that are really annoyed by the OTTs (and the vast majority of CAGs probably just don't care either way).

Now, both of us are oppositely biased on this subject, but let me ask you this. What is "more valuable" of a post? When DDF goes into a thread and says that "X sucks", or any of the posts in the OTT. You have to admit, that a good portion of the posts in the OTT are either one word or a smiley, and the rest of the posts really don't affect any CAGs outside of the OTT. Now everybody loves to tote the "If you don't like the OTTs, then don't read them and stay out of the OT forum". Well, (even though it pisses me off that they're on the main page), how can you not apply this to DDF's posts? It's not like he says anything overly offensive either, so if you don't like what he says, dont read it. Or skip over it. Or read his one sentence about something sucking, and move on with it.

-On the issue of "threadcrapping"-
I agree with Scrubking in that the phrase is overly used, and alot of the time improperly so. If you want a really good example of what it really means, look back about a month or so to when there was a temporary ban on OTTs. All of the OTTers got pissed off, and would go into any random thread and start random conversation. I remember when people would point out this out, and they were met with a "we don't care" or a "shut up". You think that this behavior is any more acceptable than DDFs posts, or that anybody who did that is any less a troll? Many a thread was ruined (or "threadcrapped") during this time, yet you all have no problem accusing other people of doing it. Hypocratic no?

Here is DDF trolling...

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/v...amp;highlight=

The guy is asking a legitmate question of where he can find a GBA-Player Disc for the GC and DDF proceeds to call him a moron. Now, I am the type that believes in having thick skin online. If you can't take a few stupid-ass comments then you probably won't stick around. But the guy only joined in August and had only 30+ posts. There is no way he can know how some people are here. The only reason I even made a post in there is because the OP was a fairly new poster and calling them a moron for NO GOOD REASON when he/she is looking for help is the kind of thing that can hurt a community. If that isn't a troll in action then what is?

Personally, I can ignore DDF with ease but if he is someone's first impression with they join CAG then that is a problem.

Not really, I like them. They provide me quite a bit of entertainment, as 90% of you take yourselves and the internet way too seriously, I enjoy watching them piss off all the uptight people.

Originally Posted by CheapyD One of my many New Year's Resolutions is.... MORE BANNINGS! EDIT: and more detailed rules for the forums

But you have to ban like Donald Trump.....

=========>>>> YOU'RE BANNED!! <<<<================

The way I look at it, you can't just start banning people because they're assholes or not very nice or don't agree with you. Even though many don't like DDF, he's really done nothing terribly wrong. He doesn't create a bunch of topics, he doesn't spam...he's just generally disagreeable. To me, that's not a banning offense.

Anyway, I say as long as users aren't spamming or destroying the operational integrity of the forum, live and let live.

Originally Posted by evilmax17 I'll chime in here. Here's the thing Led, as I'm sure you're well aware of, there are a good bunch of you that absolutely love posting in the OT forum and the OTTs. OTOH, I would wager that there are an equal amount of people that are really annoyed by the OTTs (and the vast majority of CAGs probably just don't care either way). Now, both of us are oppositely biased on this subject, but let me ask you this. What is "more valuable" of a post? When DDF goes into a thread and says that "X sucks", or any of the posts in the OTT. You have to admit, that a good portion of the posts in the OTT are either one word or a smiley, and the rest of the posts really don't affect any CAGs outside of the OTT. Now everybody loves to tote the "If you don't like the OTTs, then don't read them and stay out of the OT forum". Well, (even though it pisses me off that they're on the main page), how can you not apply this to DDF's posts? It's not like he says anything overly offensive either, so if you don't like what he says, dont read it. Or skip over it. Or read his one sentence about something sucking, and move on with it.

The only difference I see is that, when you go into the OT forum, you know what to expect. You're right, it's mostly one-word responses and emoticons. But, at least you know what you're in for.

Trolls on the other hand (which I don't think DDF really qualifies as), invade ON-TOPIC discussions and muck those up. I'll admit, the OTT crew did a shameful amount of thread-jacking during the brief OTT ban, but it was never meant to be malicious. The OTTers just like to talk, and they'll talk anywhere they can.

You're right on the money about simply ignoring trolls. I for one don't have too much of a problem with DDF, as he almost never attacks people. But if you don't like what a troll is saying, then don't give him the attention he so sorely craves.

In a recent thread that has already been deleted, someone was throwing their troll bullshit around about me and some other users who had somehow offended him. What did I do? Take it for what it was: a pathetic cry for attention by a sad, lonely little being. I was rather amused by it actually,and regret seeing that it has already been deleted.

My point is, and this isn't a new idea by any means, is that if you let a troll get to you, you're giving more than what they deserve. Do exactly what evilmax said: read it and forget it, or ignore it altogether. Ok, I'll shut up now.

If you want a really good example of what it really means, look back about a month or so to when there was a temporary ban on OTTs. All of the OTTers got pissed off, and would go into any random thread and start random conversation. I remember when people would point out this out, and they were met with a "we don't care" or a "shut up". You think that this behavior is any more acceptable than DDFs posts, or that anybody who did that is any less a troll?

When did this happen? All of those people should have been BANNED for causing such a major disruption.

Good thing I stay away from the OT board.

Originally Posted by Scrubking When did this happen? All of those people should have been BANNED for causing such a major disruption. Good thing I stay away from the OT board.

Is that why you're so uptight? Maybe you should vent OT a little. All these serious posts and hanging around the political forum has you wound tighter than a knock-off Rolex. Do I need to make you an avatar or something? Show the SK a little love so he's not all grinchy?

Originally Posted by Scrubking When did this happen? All of those people should have been BANNED for causing such a major disruption. Good thing I stay away from the OT board.

oh calm down and have you ever considered including the screen name you quote? :wink: