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Old 02-04-2013, 01:00 AM   #261
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Two things to never expect from Dana's twitter feed: 1) Class and 2) A straight answer.

It sounds like Frankie's job is safe for the time being, but notice the only thing that Dana's response makes 100% certain is that Dana really wanted to Internet bitch slap the fool.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:25 AM   #262
I love Dana White. Sometimes he can be a little overly crass, but he's honest and not afraid to call out people being stupid. And saying Frankie should be fired from the UFC is stupid. Last time I checked, the last 2 guys he lost to are generally considered 2 of the top 6 pound-for-pound best fighters in the UFC. Frankie himself is usually ranked in the top 10.

I wish commissioners like Roger Goddell and David Stern were more like Dana White.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:29 AM   #263
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Two things to never expect from Dana's twitter feed: 1) Class and 2) A straight answer.

It sounds like Frankie's job is safe for the time being, but notice the only thing that Dana's response makes 100% certain is that Dana really wanted to Internet bitch slap the fool.
Oh, come on. That's a pretty funny response. People take Dana too seriously. Yes, he's the president of the premiere MMA company in the world, but he's also a regular dude. When I read stuff like that, I just think of one of my buddies being a smartass. I'm guessing the idea of firing Frankie after 3 very close title fights is so ridiculous to Dana, he felt it deserved a ridiculous response. Like I said, what Frankie really needs is a cool down period. He needs regular fights, no high stress...no media all up in his face, so he can get back to doing what he does best. Just leave the kid alone for awhile.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:19 AM   #264
It's not just the losses, Edgar is not a good PPV draw. If he loses his next fight, especially if it's an "easy", "non-title" fight, then he's worthless as a draw.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:51 PM   #265
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It's not just the losses, Edgar is not a good PPV draw. If he loses his next fight, especially if it's an "easy", "non-title" fight, then he's worthless as a draw.
So that means he should be fired? Why do guys like Stefan Struve, Vladimir Matyushenko, Alan Belcher, etc. have jobs? That's just a ridiculous leap going from "not a good PPV draw" to "cut him!" He's just been under the lights for too long and you can see he's tired. Give the guy a break.

I always refer to him as the champion that nobody wanted. Going all the way back to when he beat BJ Penn the first time, he was scrutinized. That was 7 fights ago. 7 main events. What fighter wouldn't be exhausted after going through that? I'm sure Dana would agree that he's earned a break. He still hasn't been finished in a fight either. At least let the guy get knocked out before you toss him to the curb.

In other news, Anderson Silva's managers have said that Silva would fight GSP at a catchweight. That makes the fight a lot more interesting to me. At least now, Silva is giving something up. He'll still be the bigger fighter, but would at least have the potential of being drained from his cut too. That's a much different fight than when he was wanting GSP to come up to 185. Crazy how cooperative Anderson has been lately.
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Old 02-04-2013, 03:07 PM   #266
^In regards to Silva, my guess is that it has something to do with the rumors of the new contract the UFC is trying to get him to sign. Kind of sounds like Silva will finally play ball, for the right amount of money.
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Old 02-04-2013, 04:09 PM   #267
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So that means he should be fired? Why do guys like Stefan Struve, Vladimir Matyushenko, Alan Belcher, etc. have jobs?
Not being an ass, but none of those guys were PPV main eventers, and none of them have ever lost more than twice in a row. Struve has never had a loss followed by another loss, Matyushenko's recent loss to Bader was his first consectutive loss, and Belcher has only lost twice in a row once, back in 2005.

But look at someone like Joe Stevenson, 3 "Fight of the Night" honors, but after 4 losses in a row, he was out the door.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:03 PM   #268
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Not being an ass, but none of those guys were PPV main eventers, and none of them have ever lost more than twice in a row. Struve has never had a loss followed by another loss, Matyushenko's recent loss to Bader was his first consectutive loss, and Belcher has only lost twice in a row once, back in 2005.

But look at someone like Joe Stevenson, 3 "Fight of the Night" honors, but after 4 losses in a row, he was out the door.
This logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. Yes...none of those guys are main eventers. Neither is Joe Stevenson. So, you think a fighter goes directly from being a main eventer to being fired? You're not even going to give Frankie the chance to be a mid carder...or even a prelim fighter first? (ala Joe Stevenson) And you're not going to consider the level of the competition either? Yes, those other guys haven't lost three in a row...but they're not fighting top of the pound for pound rankings fighters either. Do you really not see the difference?
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:59 PM   #269
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This logic is so flawed I don't even know where to begin. Yes...none of those guys are main eventers. Neither is Joe Stevenson. So, you think a fighter goes directly from being a main eventer to being fired? You're not even going to give Frankie the chance to be a mid carder...or even a prelim fighter first? (ala Joe Stevenson) And you're not going to consider the level of the competition either? Yes, those other guys haven't lost three in a row...but they're not fighting top of the pound for pound rankings fighters either. Do you really not see the difference?
Stevenson was a main eventer. UFC 80.

My original post was just playing devil's advocate, asking a hypothetical question. UFC wants to make money, Edgar already is NOT a big money maker, if he's on a losing streak he is even less money. If he loses badly in his next fight, I say he should get fired. If he has a good fight, but still loses, yeah, they'll still keep him. But after that? A 5th loss in a row? He's gone.
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Old 02-04-2013, 09:44 PM   #270
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Stevenson was a main eventer. UFC 80.
How are you not seeing that this proves my point? UFC 80 was in 2008. He also fought in the main event against Diego Sanchez at UFC 95 (which was a pretty weak main event). But he never held a title, and he fought for 2.5 years after his last main event. He was given opportunity after opportunity against lesser skilled fighters before they canned him. He lost to George Sotiropoulos, Mac Danzig, Danny Castillo, and Javier Vazquez. When Edgar's losses become that pathetic, come talk to me.

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My original post was just playing devil's advocate, asking a hypothetical question. UFC wants to make money, Edgar already is NOT a big money maker, if he's on a losing streak he is even less money. If he loses badly in his next fight, I say he should get fired. If he has a good fight, but still loses, yeah, they'll still keep him. But after that? A 5th loss in a row? He's gone.
I get that. I'm just saying, you're jumping the gun by quite a bit and the comparison is way off. It's almost as though your discrediting Edgar's skill just because he's lost 3 straight fights, while not even factoring in the skill level of his opponents. Put him up against the 4 guys that Stevenson lost to, and I promise you he murders all of them.

It's easy to criticize him when he's in the middle of a losing streak. Lets not forget that he beat BJ Penn twice and knocked out Gray Maynard. Give him some fights that aren't title shots against two of the best fighters in the world and let him prove his worth. There are a lot of guys in the UFC who can't beat Jose Aldo and Benson Henderson. It doesn't mean they need to be fired.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:46 PM   #271
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Stevenson was a main eventer. UFC 80.

My original post was just playing devil's advocate, asking a hypothetical question. UFC wants to make money, Edgar already is NOT a big money maker, if he's on a losing streak he is even less money. If he loses badly in his next fight, I say he should get fired. If he has a good fight, but still loses, yeah, they'll still keep him. But after that? A 5th loss in a row? He's gone.
No way does that happen. the guy is worldclass, like another post said, hes not losing to guida 5 times in a row. you put the 2nd best 170 in ther world in a fight with gsp 5 times in a row and he loses, does he suck? thats whats happening with edgar. hes had 7 consecutive title fights, 3-3-1. hed have to lose his next fight convincingly and get finished by a low-level guy after that to even be in the discussion imo. He doesnt have to be a big ppv draw. bendo isnt. most UFc fighters arent, there is a handful of guys that really draw, everything else is matchup related.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:25 AM   #272
More than likely he wins his next fight anyways, against a "lower" fighter. But if he loses another two times in row, yeah, he's getting fired.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:00 AM   #273
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I did see the fight and do think hes overrated.He wasn't able to bully Bigfoot in the clinch and in the end his suspect chin came into play.Call it whatever you want, him being less shredded possibly off the PEDs or playing around,he didn't deserve to be considered as good as people thought he was.I was in the bandwagon and thought he was that good as well.
I think people discounted Bigfoot and then were hyping up Overeem a bit. The people BF has gone up against have been a definite step up compared to Overeem's competition. Cormier, Cain, Fedor, Arlovski, and Werdum are all beasts. On the other hand aside from a post-op Lesnar (and failed the drug test) and a really weird match against Werdum, Overeem has beet Fujita, Overeem, and Duffee. I think BF's competition definitely outranks what has been thrown out Overeem.

After seeing Overeem knee Fujita into next week and drop Duffee people started to really ride the Ubereem Hype Train.

I like Overeem and hope he comes back and puts on some good fights, but as of yet I don't think he has proven he is ready for someone like Cain.

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Old 02-09-2013, 01:05 PM   #274
Aldo vs Pettis has been confirmed.

Should definitely be an interesting fight since both guys are fantastic strikers. Pettis could not wait for the winner of Bendo and Melendez so he's going for Aldo. It's pretty cool that guys from 155 are coming down to challenge Aldo because the 155 division is stacked and the 145 is not. I wouldn't mind seeing Aldo going up to 155 either and trying to hold 2 belts in two divisions. Now that would be sick!
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Old 02-09-2013, 01:54 PM   #275
Bellator has been on a roll with the great shows since coming to Spike.

Was very satisfying seeing Shlemenko take out Falcao. Destroyed his liver then put him out cold.


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Old 02-09-2013, 06:50 PM   #276
i always appreciate a fighter using strikes to the body. This was a really nice one to the liver and I imagine Falcao was in a great deal of pain right before Shlemenko put his lights out.
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Old 02-09-2013, 08:32 PM   #277
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Aldo vs Pettis has been confirmed.

Should definitely be an interesting fight since both guys are fantastic strikers. Pettis could not wait for the winner of Bendo and Melendez so he's going for Aldo. It's pretty cool that guys from 155 are coming down to challenge Aldo because the 155 division is stacked and the 145 is not. I wouldn't mind seeing Aldo going up to 155 either and trying to hold 2 belts in two divisions. Now that would be sick!
I'm excited for Aldo/Pettis, but I don't think Pettis stands as good of a chance as Edgar did. He is crazy powerful, but I think Aldo will fight a much smarter fight than Lauzon or Cerrone. It will probably go the distance, so Aldo definitely needs to work on his conditioning.

I actually think this is a bad decision by Pettis, especially considering his fight with Aldo isn't until August. I don't know about Melendez, but since joining the UFC Benson will have fought 7 fights in 2 years, averaging less than 4 months between fights. If Pettis had just waited for the winner at lightweight, it's very possible he would have got his shot in September/October, which really isn't that much longer than August. I think Pettis is worried that Bendo/Melendez will be extremely close and merit an immediate rematch, especially if Gil edges Benson. I think Pettis is just "chasing a belt" and it might come back to haunt him.

As for Aldo moving to 155, Bendo is my favorite fighter and I'd be scared to death of Aldo at 155. But can Aldo hold 2 belts at once for an extended period of time? Is that allowed, or would he have to abdicate one of them when he decides what weight class to stick with?

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Old 02-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #278
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But can Aldo hold 2 belts at once for an extended period of time? Is that allowed, or would he have to abdicate one of them when he decides what weight class to stick with?
It's unprecedented, but I think with the length of time most of their titles are on ice currently, UFC would force a 2-division champ to abdicate one of the titles afterward. However, whichever belt gets dropped will likely lose a bit of shine as a result and whoever wins the title immediately afterwards will have to shake off the perception of being a paper champion. If there's anything the UFC doesn't need more of, it's more Interim Champions.

In reality, the concept of champion vs champion may never become a reality in the UFC because while the buys would undoubtedly be great for that one show, it would leave the UFC with the "OK...what now?" predicament I described above.
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:44 PM   #279
Frank Mir and Daniel Cormier is set to be the Co-Main Event for Hendo/Melendez on April 20th.
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Old 02-13-2013, 05:49 PM   #280
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So that means he should be fired? Why do guys like Stefan Struve, Vladimir Matyushenko, Alan Belcher, etc. have jobs? That's just a ridiculous leap going from "not a good PPV draw" to "cut him!" He's just been under the lights for too long and you can see he's tired. Give the guy a break.

I always refer to him as the champion that nobody wanted. Going all the way back to when he beat BJ Penn the first time, he was scrutinized. That was 7 fights ago. 7 main events. What fighter wouldn't be exhausted after going through that? I'm sure Dana would agree that he's earned a break. He still hasn't been finished in a fight either. At least let the guy get knocked out before you toss him to the curb.

In other news, Anderson Silva's managers have said that Silva would fight GSP at a catchweight. That makes the fight a lot more interesting to me. At least now, Silva is giving something up. He'll still be the bigger fighter, but would at least have the potential of being drained from his cut too. That's a much different fight than when he was wanting GSP to come up to 185. Crazy how cooperative Anderson has been lately.
Anyone saying Struve should be cut should be burned alive.

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