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Originally Posted by joeboosauce I borrowed an ipad from work and I was not impressed at all. I don't get why its considered intuitive. Just a few things that really irked me and frustrated me. 1. Adding an attachment is not intuitive and native to email client. Took me a while to figure out that I had to go to Adobe Reader to email attachment and from there it was not obvious. 2. Typing web addresses in Safari. Have to delete ENTIRE url and not able to delete part of it and make changes. Also, Safari can't seem to handle facebook and youtube and crashes constantly. Not a problem on my Android. 3. Can't drag and drop files to ipad. Forced to use iTunes. That's hardly efficient. That's just some of the problems I've noticed. This is hardly intuitive. Also, the lack of a menu button or option is just horrible. I understand "simplicity" is their thing but its more simplistic than any of that. All this looks like is an attempt to really control the user experience.

Yeah, that type of stuff is my only gripe with the iPad. Some stuff isn't very intuitive. But there are work arounds for most.

Not the e-mail attachment one though, that's something they need to change.

But URLs can be editied, just have to touch and hold a second until the little magnifier thing pops up that lets you move the cursor.

File loading is easiest when done with Dropbox. Just drag and drop to Dropbox on your computer and you can then open it in the Dropbox app on the iPad and send it to whatever app. I use this a ton--have my PDF library for work on dropbox and synced to the Goodreader PDF app on the iPad. Awesome for having all my research articles with me everywhere rather than having to lug around printouts.

Are you guys serious about using Dropbox? That has to be the most inefficient, around the world way of transferring a file. I've done it in a pinch when I've had to, but I can't imagine it being my standard way of transferring a file. Then again, my memories of itunes is so bad that maybe it is better to use Dropbox.

Originally Posted by randomevent I was actually really dissapointed in the ipad mini unveil today. I'm a big fan of my Nexus 7, but was seriously considering an ipad mini since my wife and i do a lot of iOS gaming. I know this will make me look a bit foolish, but I was truly shocked at the ipad mini pricing. I figured it would be $300 since it is basically a smaller ipad 2, which is 2 year old tech at this point. I personally can't stomach $330 for a smaller ipad 2. I will say that I'm a big fan of the Nexus 7 form factor, and can wholly recommend it as a "couch surfer" since that's how I use it. I just can't get behind the ipad mini at that price point when my Nexus 7 is just as awesome with a less robust app ecosystem.

I actually agree with you. I was expecting it to be priced at $300 heck maybe even surprise us and have it at 279.99. The $329.99 price surprised me though. I've been wanting a tablet for a while and will probably bite on an android tablet. Probably wait until Black Friday and see if it brings anything cheaper. I've also heard rumors of Google phasing out the 8 GB Nexus 7 and bringing down the 16gb to 199.99. Of course, those are just rumors and nothing will be confirmed until Monday the 29th when Google has its own media event.

I don't know if I can be considered "not a fanboy" but I'd Definitely get the N7, but what till the 29th for the possible price drop and new size capacity.

Originally Posted by Clak Are you guys serious about using Dropbox? That has to be the most inefficient, around the world way of transferring a file. I've done it in a pinch when I've had to, but I can't imagine it being my standard way of transferring a file. Then again, my memories of itunes is so bad that maybe it is better to use Dropbox.

Dropbox is awesome--have you only used the website?

If you download the Dropbox software to the PC, then all you do is put files in there and they'll automatically download to all your other PCs that have the Dropbox software on it when they go online. Stores the files both in the cloud and downloads them locally on all the computers.

I love it and use it for all my non-confidential work stuff as it's so much easier to keep all my files synced on my work desktop, laptop and home desktop as it's all automated. Vs. before with lugging around a portable harddrive etc.

With the iOS app its not automated, but if you have a net connection you just open the app and can get to all the files in there and open them and send them to whatever app is needed.

Dropbox is fantastic. I can only presume that those who had a different experience didn't install the PC/Mac software that makes it seamless. Actually the main thing I use it for is to store my secure password database. Then I have access to it on all my computers. I wish SplashID iOS would let me read its database directly from Dropbox, but that's a shortcoming of the app. Some other password apps allow that. The desktop app allows it, but not the iOS app. I'd switch, but the problem is that isn't easy - sooooo many passwords, and my attempts to import to other such programs didn't go so great. So I have to (wirelessly at least) sync to my iPad/iPhone, but at least I can do so from any computer.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Dropbox is awesome--have you only used the website? If you download the Dropbox software to the PC, then all you do is put files in there and they'll automatically download to all your other PCs that have the Dropbox software on it when they go online. Stores the files both in the cloud and downloads them locally on all the computers. I love it and use it for all my non-confidential work stuff as it's so much easier to keep all my files synced on my work desktop, laptop and home desktop as it's all automated. Vs. before with lugging around a portable harddrive etc. With the iOS app its not automated, but if you have a net connection you just open the app and can get to all the files in there and open them and send them to whatever app is needed.

No I'm very familiar with Dropbox and use it to store lots of things. What I'm saying is that if you're using it just to get a file onto your device, you're taking a very inefficient and around the world approach to it. Use it store things sure, so you can access them anywhere, but if you're just trying to get a file onto a device, find a better way. It's akin to using a cell phone to call somebody upstairs in your home.

Originally Posted by Clak No I'm very familiar with Dropbox and use it to store lots of things. What I'm saying is that if you're using it just to get a file onto your device, you're taking a very inefficient and around the world approach to it. Use it store things sure, so you can access them anywhere, but if you're just trying to get a file onto a device, find a better way. It's akin to using a cell phone to call somebody upstairs in your home.

True I guess.

But other that cloud apps there's no way to get files on iOS devices other than drag and drop from itunes. I assume Android is the same way other than not needing specific software.

I find it much easier to just use Dropbox than to have to plug into a computer via usb and drag and drop things over.

But I also use Dropbox a ton already, so it was just a logical step for me to also use it for my iPhone and iPad.

Originally Posted by Clak No I'm very familiar with Dropbox and use it to store lots of things. What I'm saying is that if you're using it just to get a file onto your device, you're taking a very inefficient and around the world approach to it. Use it store things sure, so you can access them anywhere, but if you're just trying to get a file onto a device, find a better way. It's akin to using a cell phone to call somebody upstairs in your home.

Curious what you would suggest is the best way to get a file on a device?

Originally Posted by bordjon Curious what you would suggest is the best way to get a file on a device?

I plug my phone into my PC, open it like a flash drive, copy pasta, done. I do ti with music all the time. I can't imagine trying to use Dropbox to get gigs worth of music onto a device, yikes.

Oh of course you use iTunes for that kind of stuff

Dropbox is just for occasional things like putting a document or two on the iPad. Easier to just put it in Dropbox than dig out the cable. Especially since apple devices don't use standard USB. So I can't drag and drop a file from my office computer as I don't have any apple cables there and my devices are linked to my home computer iTunes. But I can put a PDF article on Dropbox and instantly open it on my iPad.

You hear about how much simpler Apple products are, yet for even the most rudimentary things it seems they complicate the hell out of them. So let me get this straight, you can't just plug your i device into another computer running itunes and go? Sheesh. Well at least tyou can find the generic apple charging cables for cheap, though I guess that doesn't do you much good.

Originally Posted by Clak You hear about how much simpler Apple products are, yet for even the most rudimentary things it seems they complicate the hell out of them. So let me get this straight, you can't just plug your i device into another computer running itunes and go? Sheesh. Well at least tyou can find the generic apple charging cables for cheap, though I guess that doesn't do you much good.

and go what?

Originally Posted by confoosious and go what?

He said he couldn't just drag and drop files at his office.

Actually I believe you can use it at more than one computer and copy music and videos onto it, if you are willing to give up syncing, by turning on manual management. Then it's drag and drop, although it does require use of iTunes to do the dragging and dropping.

Originally Posted by Clak You hear about how much simpler Apple products are, yet for even the most rudimentary things it seems they complicate the hell out of them. So let me get this straight, you can't just plug your i device into another computer running itunes and go? Sheesh. Well at least tyou can find the generic apple charging cables for cheap, though I guess that doesn't do you much good.

For the vast number of users who don't even know what a file is, it is much simpler. Consider the fact that most of the population doesn't even understand the concept of a computer file. Given that, I still find it fairly easy to use my iPad. There's a few quirks here and there, but Android has just as many. There's not any operation system that's "better" than the other, it's just all about the feel and your preference. Some people like the simplicity of iOS, some like the power of Android. Different strokes.

Yeah, there's always the ignorance of the general population to think about.

If you own a Mac and an iPhone, then go iPad.

If you own a PC and an Android phone, then go Nexus 7.

Applications native to a certain OS receive better support, and in some cases, more robust features.

Originally Posted by Clak You hear about how much simpler Apple products are, yet for even the most rudimentary things it seems they complicate the hell out of them. So let me get this straight, you can't just plug your i device into another computer running itunes and go? Sheesh. Well at least tyou can find the generic apple charging cables for cheap, though I guess that doesn't do you much good.

As noted above I think you can if you give up syncing. It is a limitation, but I pretty much never do it. I don't have any music or videos on my iPad so I only sync it every once in a while to back things up.

My iPhone I just switch up some music a few times a year. But that's kind of moot anymore as I can just stream my music with the Audiogalaxy app if I leave my desktop on, and I just listen to Pandora most of the time anyway.

But yeah, that is one area that iOS gadgets can be a hassle. It turned me off at first. But then I realized I almost never need to put files on them anyway, and once I got sucked into Dropbox for syncing all my work files, and then saw how easy that was to use to get all my documents synced onto my iPad it became a non-issue for me.

It was just a small learning curve from being used to hooking things up to a computer and dragging and dropping. Now I hate using external hard drives, jump drives etc. as it's just more hassle than using Dropbox and other cloud services where once you get it set up all your PCs stay synced and you can also get to the files on all your mobile devices without having to tether them to a computer.

Just a matter of what one prefers I guess. I'll be happy when I never have to plug anything into a computer again. The less cords to have to lug around and deal with the better.

The iPad Mini announcement was the best Nexus 7 advertisement I've ever seen. I'll probably get one over the holiday season that's coming up.

My experience with my iPod Touch was enough to make sure that I'll never buy a new Apple product ever again.