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Quick question, will we know about next week's sales before 12/30? Even if it's just one day ahead, I want to know if I should re-sub my PS+ and pick up a couple of games this week, but only if next week's sales have something I'll be interested in.

We'll know Monday morning like we did this week.

Maybe I'm just another outlier, but PS+ has in many instances discouraged me from spending money on games. I'm not against the exhibition of "free" games, but I'd much rather buy and keep the games i want at discounted prices. How much value one attains from the IGC is completely subjective. You can't simply assess its value at the total cost of the games given away because that assumes one would have bought those items, anyway.

As far as the vita is concerned, it just doesn't make sense to compulsively buy a game you may or may not want. How is that a good thing for a platform still attempting to gain traction? LBP, Escape Plan, and Sine Mora are all games I'd own right now if I didn't suspect they'd eventually be offered up for free. I think a lot of people felt that way about Retro City Rampage. I understand that if you really want something, you'll buy it anyway, but that's beside the point. Sound Shapes is an example of a game that I'd buy while on sale with no hesitation, despite whatever chances it has of going free. But for other new IPs, or games that I'm partly indifferent towards, I choose to do nothing. I see sooo many people saying the very same thing. It's not simply because we're "cheap", but, honestly, what's the point?

Of course, we don't have the data that Sony has at its disposal. We don't know what the attach rates or average purchase totals have been, and I suspect some of that informs their methodology. Maybe a $50 sub fee from a lot of people is better than higher average spending from a few. Again, my only concern is how this is affecting the vita. It's ironic because I think the IGC is what finally pushed a lot of people to get the vita, but now it seems like somewhat of a deterrence to buying games for it, lol. And that's exactly what it NEEDS right now to attract developers, no? *sigh*

And, sorry, everyone, I know we're not here to debate this ad nauseum.

no, i agree 100%. anytime I buy anything now i am aware ps+ could give it free next week, aka when i spent $15 to get over $100 2 months ago and then they gave quantum conundrum for free. but that's the nature of the game. i was so close to buying rcr, and excited bout $10 sale, that when it was free it was a super surprise. so i think its always all good. but yeah, it def makes me reconsider buying anything, as i was about to buy daytona usa or crazy taxi or hellz yeah for cheap sale prices this week but i didnt bite on any cuz my backlog is a monster and sega has a tendency to give ps+ games. but maybe they won't have it on ps+ ever, you really have no control over these things.

Originally Posted by breakfuss Maybe I'm just another outlier, but PS+ has in many instances discouraged me from spending money on games. I'm not against the exhibition of "free" games, but I'd much rather buy and keep the games i want at discounted prices. How much value one attains from the IGC is completely subjective. You can't simply assess its value at the total cost of the games given away because that assumes one would have bought those items, anyway. As far as the vita is concerned, it just doesn't make sense to compulsively buy a game you may or may not want. How is that a good thing for a platform still attempting to gain traction? LBP, Escape Plan, and Sine Mora are all games I'd own right now if I didn't suspect they'd eventually be offered up for free. I think a lot of people felt that way about Retro City Rampage. I understand that if you really want something, you'll buy it anyway, but that's beside the point. Sound Shapes is an example of a game that I'd buy while on sale with no hesitation, despite whatever chances it has of going free. But for other new IPs, or games that I'm partly indifferent towards, I choose to do nothing. I see sooo many people saying the very same thing. It's not simply because we're "cheap", but, honestly, what's the point? Of course, we don't have the data that Sony has at its disposal. We don't know what the attach rates or average purchase totals have been, and I suspect some of that informs their methodology. Maybe a $50 sub fee from a lot of people is better than higher average spending from a few. Again, my only concern is how this is affecting the vita. It's ironic because I think the IGC is what finally pushed a lot of people to get the vita, but now it seems like somewhat of a deterrence to buying games for it, lol. And that's exactly what it NEEDS right now to attract developers, no? *sigh* And, sorry, everyone, I know we're not here to debate this ad nauseum.

It's really hard to know without the data. I'm not sure if the average is lower or not, but companies tend to like steady streams of income from things like subscriptions. Also, even if the average is lower, the margins could be higher. We have no idea how much of that $50 Sony is actually spending on things like free games. Plus there's the less tangible things like getting people more involved in checking the store each week and getting them more attached to Playstation overall.

Originally Posted by wtsutton Yo...just noticed this... I was in the PS store's "top psn games" section. The screen with all the top games includes Tokyo jungle and the frame shows it at $10.49. When I click on the frame it then shows it at full price though. Its also full price of I add to cart. Sign of a sale next week?

Tokyo Jungle is one of my Top 5 games this year. It's that good. It's... not extremely polished, nor beautiful, nor anything like that... just pure solid gaming mechanics that work really well.

bought it day 1, and i'd buy it again if i had to.


re: not buying games.
I stopped buying games from PSN when gamesharing ended. Most downloadable games aren't worth 10/15 to me -- that's what i pay for aaa games used (and can then resell). tokyo jungle being the only exception in recent memory.

as for what games might be free in the future... meh, it's not worth worrying about too much. everything eventually gets cheaper. if it's worth 15 to you now, pay 15 now. if it ends up free a year from now, oh well. don't get me wrong -- i was considering RCR if it went on sale, so to get it free before i pulled the trigger was fantastic, but even if i had... that's always the risk.

also, games like Persona 4 Golden and Disgaea will almost certainly never be part of the IGC.


HOT SHOTS QUESTION -- i just played the demo. like most golf games, it just felt like 'hit x, hit x well timed, hit x, hit x well timed, etc." does it get any deeper than that? i mean, i know people swear by the game, but i just don't get it.

Originally Posted by wtsutton Yo...just noticed this... I was in the PS store's "top psn games" section. The screen with all the top games includes Tokyo jungle and the frame shows it at $10.49. When I click on the frame it then shows it at full price though. Its also full price of I add to cart. Sign of a sale next week?

Definitely hope so!

Here's the pick of what's currently on the store, if anyone is interested:

Originally Posted by affa HOT SHOTS QUESTION -- i just played the demo. like most golf games, it just felt like 'hit x, hit x well timed, hit x, hit x well timed, etc." does it get any deeper than that? i mean, i know people swear by the game, but i just don't get it.

Hot shot is waste of money,
JP / Asia got version 1.12 we are (EU/US) on 1.05, no DLC no extra map and an online mode sucks so much (1.07 is online update). It seems we are not going to get farther update, last update was on July of 2012.

upon that game is insanely hard late game.
you will know super back spin, front spin, and side spin, and there are few unrealistic special shots as well.

so freaking stressful
god damn it, cannot pass ing gold level

you will end up trying yo break your ita because of Legacy of Golf level

Originally Posted by affa HOT SHOTS QUESTION -- i just played the demo. like most golf games, it just felt like 'hit x, hit x well timed, hit x, hit x well timed, etc." does it get any deeper than that? i mean, i know people swear by the game, but i just don't get it.

If you want to be that reductive, then it's not that deep as far as the controls are concerned. That's kind of the point of a golf game to be simple to control, but tough to master. It's the challenges and scenarios that you're in that are where the difficulty comes into play as you deal with worse weather, better fields to try to beat, and more challenging courses to get par on. As you play with a certain character more and more, they level up and unlock more power shots and such.

I madly in love with Hot Shots Golf. I even like it when that son of a bitch Legacy course comes up on the daily tourney now. The challenges can be very challenging at times, it is a golf game (i.e. aim and hit x well timed), but it's relaxing if you're just playing for fun, it's bite sized, it's got a great atmosphere, and the interface (in terms of lie/slope/wind/etc) has really been perfected over the years.

I do wish that we would get some of the extended support of the game that Japan has seen, but I'm happy with it as it is.

Originally Posted by Velo214 no, i agree 100%. anytime I buy anything now i am aware ps+ could give it free next week, aka when i spent $15 to get over $100 2 months ago and then they gave quantum conundrum for free. but that's the nature of the game. i was so close to buying rcr, and excited bout $10 sale, that when it was free it was a super surprise. so i think its always all good. but yeah, it def makes me reconsider buying anything, as i was about to buy daytona usa or crazy taxi or hellz yeah for cheap sale prices this week but i didnt bite on any cuz my backlog is a monster and sega has a tendency to give ps+ games. but maybe they won't have it on ps+ ever, you really have no control over these things.

PS+ is all gravy to me. I guess the way to get the most out of it is as a cheapass who really holds off buying anything until it's dirt cheap. The IGC is (thus far) entirely constituted of games I would never have purchased, but found interesting enough to download for free. I'm not the kind to go for a lot of PSN or indie style games. The AAA titles like BioShock 2 (old), Just Cause 2 (old), Warhammer (sucked), and the rest were all games I'd had more than enough opportunity to buy already if I wanted them. Walking Dead was one instance where the freebie encouraged me to spend more to get the rest of the game. Now, I can understand hesitation to buy games out of fear they may one day be given away. I guess I just don't see any of the games I'm willing to spend money on as potential candidates for a freebie. If and when I'm wrong, I'll feel some regret maybe, but it will still be a situation of "I spent money on a game I thought was worth the money when I spent it." I'm really pleased with the implementation overall.

Does anyone know why Sega Genesis Collection PSP isn't showing its discounted price?

Originally Posted by Nohbdy Does anyone know why Sega Genesis Collection PSP isn't showing its discounted price?

The discount was for last week only. It was gone with the new update.

Quick question, can Journey be played online with a friend? or is it random online multiplayer only?

Originally Posted by PimpLimp The discount was for last week only. It was gone with the new update.

The Sega Blog says it's supposed to last until January 8.

Originally Posted by aaronrodgers Quick question, can Journey be played online with a friend? or is it random online multiplayer only?

I think you get paired up with a random player, I heard that one workaround would be if you and your friend start at the same time and see if you got on the same game. I'd think it would be easier now with the less active player base, but I don't know how many people are playing it.

Originally Posted by aaronrodgers Quick question, can Journey be played online with a friend? or is it random online multiplayer only?

It's anonymous travel only. Basically the multiplayer option is useless if you want to include people you know.

Bought the 32GB Vita card today from Best Buy after price matching Sony Store but I'm a little confused about my save files.

How do I switch cards from the 4GB to the new 32GB and keep my save files. I'm not concerned with re-downloading the actual games because I haven't downloaded much. Do I have to link my vita to my ps3 and copy everything over and back again?

Originally Posted by PublikDefender Bought the 32GB Vita card today from Best Buy after price matching Sony Store but I'm a little confused about my save files. How do I switch cards from the 4GB to the new 32GB and keep my save files. I'm not concerned with re-downloading the actual games because I haven't downloaded much. Do I have to link my vita to my ps3 and copy everything over and back again?

Yes, that's pretty much what you have to do. You can back up the 4GB on your PS3 or PC and then just reconnect your Vita with the 32GB card in it and choose the "Restore" option.

ps+ would be the easiest method