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Originally Posted by B:L When you called, did you escalate to a supervisor? I escalated it to an account representative who sent the refund request in, and now I'm waiting for an email response to see if it was approved.

I called and they I had no idea where to go. Tells me to keep pressing a certain number for a feature of theirs but I don't know which problem I'm seeking.

Originally Posted by TooPoor Always turn off auto renew. That is like the No. 1 rule for joining ANYTHING.

Yep, there's always auto renew for everything! I don't know how I forgot that!

Originally Posted by handsomepete vita = new indie dev hotspot? not complaining at all, just surprised that they keep coming. wish the skullgirls fundraiser could include a vita port...

https://twitter.com/BriProv

The developer of Retro City Rampage has been basically advertising the hell out of making indie games for PS3 and Vita since the summer, which seems to be helping to sway his fellow colleagues about making games for PSN. He even mentioned that the PSN versions sold better than Steam and the Vita version (not counting PS+ "sales") topped the PS3 version. It looks like Zeboyd Games (Penny Arcade's Rain Slick 3/4, Cthulu Saves the World, and Breath of Death VII) is convinced to get stuff on Vita just because of his tweets, so it's looking like this will be a thing for Vita.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/...comment-822723

There's no cross buy with the Vita version of Runner 2 since they're self-publishing on Vita while the PS3 version is published by Aksys.

Originally Posted by Rosterking I called and they I had no idea where to go. Tells me to keep pressing a certain number for a feature of theirs but I don't know which problem I'm seeking.

Stop wasting your time calling Sony. You didn't turn off auto renew and that's your fault. When you join they turn it on so learn to read the terms of service. Enjoy the 3 months cause they got your money already. You can only blame yourself nobody else.

Just remember Sony loves you!

I just downloaded Zen Pinball 2 for the vita to try out the Star Wars tables and noticed something that may be useful to users who have been PS+ subscribers for a while. The classics pack and marvel tables are free to download because of previous PS+ inclusions but there is actually no expiration date showing under the account management on SEN so it looks like they are genuinely free.

Also, I just got a vita survey from Sony largely focused on Vita memory card prices so hopefully that is a sign that there may be changes coming soon. Although I have no idea why they would need a survey to realize the prices are too high...

Originally Posted by cdancause I just downloaded Zen Pinball 2 for the vita to try out the Star Wars tables and noticed something that may be useful to users who have been PS+ subscribers for a while. The classics pack and marvel tables are free to download because of previous PS+ inclusions but there is actually no expiration date showing under the account management on SEN so it looks like they are genuinely free. Also, I just got a vita survey from Sony largely focused on Vita memory card prices so hopefully that is a sign that there may be changes coming soon. Although I have no idea why they would need a survey to realize the prices are too high...

Are you sure those are the full tables and not the demos?

Originally Posted by Bumslie Stop wasting your time calling Sony. You didn't turn off auto renew and that's your fault. When you join they turn it on so learn to read the terms of service. Enjoy the 3 months cause they got your money already. You can only blame yourself nobody else. Just remember Sony loves you!

Sony loves us and we love Sony

Originally Posted by cdancause I just downloaded Zen Pinball 2 for the vita to try out the Star Wars tables and noticed something that may be useful to users who have been PS+ subscribers for a while. The classics pack and marvel tables are free to download because of previous PS+ inclusions but there is actually no expiration date showing under the account management on SEN so it looks like they are genuinely free. Also, I just got a vita survey from Sony largely focused on Vita memory card prices so hopefully that is a sign that there may be changes coming soon. Although I have no idea why they would need a survey to realize the prices are too high...

It's not genuinely free, as it's an unlock key game and those turn into demos when your sub expires.

Originally Posted by ferdk sony loves us and we love sony

+1

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki It's not genuinely free, as it's an unlock key game and those turn into demos when your sub expires.

All of the other unlock keys on the SEN account site have expiration dates. These do not and they are definitely the full tables.

Originally Posted by cdancause All of the other unlock keys on the SEN account site have expiration dates. These do not and they are definitely the full tables.

It being available to you is dependent on having ZP1 and MP on your account, which it is while you're a PS+ member. When your sub expires, the games are gone and it'll turn those tables into the demos.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/...comment-742330

Originally Posted by FerDK For PS+ EU users. God Of War I HD Free It is hilarious the comparison between the positive comments the mods from Europe receive and the punish that poor Morgan guy gets at the US blog.

If it was offered for NA PS+, would it be called a terrible selection for being another shitty old game?

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki It being available to you is dependent on having ZP1 and MP on your account, which it is while you're a PS+ member. When your sub expires, the games are gone and it'll turn those tables into the demos. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/...comment-742330 If it was offered for NA PS+, would it be called a terrible selection for being another shitty old game?

More like a game that everyone already has / has played at some point. However, I think plenty of people would be okay with it and some would be happy to finally go back to platinum it (as many didn't buy the HD version having played the PS2 version).

Originally Posted by admiralvic More like a game that everyone already has / has played at some point. However, I think plenty of people would be okay with it and some would be happy to finally go back to platinum it (as many didn't buy the HD version having played the PS2 version).

Yeah, that's the other thing that people use to respond to NA PS+ games. If you couldn't tell, that was a facetious/rhetorical question/comment on what I'd expect people to say if that were offered here.

Seriously, having only played the demo of 1 before playing through 3, Chains, and Ghost, trying to play through 1 is such a huge, jarring experience because so many things about that game were changed or overhauled in the sequels. Even simple things like press circle to open doors and chests broke my brain. It's weird that quite a few of PS2 series were like that (Sly, Ratchet, Jak and Daxter, and God of War).

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki It being available to you is dependent on having ZP1 and MP on your account, which it is while you're a PS+ member. When your sub expires, the games are gone and it'll turn those tables into the demos. http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/...comment-742330 If it was offered for NA PS+, would it be called a terrible selection for being another shitty old game?

That blog post was from before the game was released. I'm sure that was the way it was supposed to work, but it doesn't look like it is. You may be right... but it would be the only content I have seen that works like that. I'll let you know in 15 months when my subscription lapses

Originally Posted by FriskyTanuki Yeah, that's the other thing that people use to respond to NA PS+ games. If you couldn't tell, that was a facetious/rhetorical question/comment on what I'd expect people to say if that were offered here. Seriously, having only played the demo of 1 before playing through 3, Chains, and Ghost, trying to play through 1 is such a huge, jarring experience because so many things about that game were changed or overhauled in the sequels. Even simple things like press circle to open doors and chests broke my brain. It's weird that quite a few of PS2 series were like that (Sly, Ratchet, Jak and Daxter, and God of War).

Was aware, just added my 2 cents, but added in the last part since I don't think US is always hateful / envious of EU. I recall Vanquish being a mostly positive (though annoyed that it took so long / EU got it well before us) reaction of a very cheap / old game.

Originally Posted by cdancause That blog post was from before the game was released. I'm sure that was the way it was supposed to work, but it doesn't look like it is. You may be right... but it would be the only content I have seen that works like that. I'll let you know in 15 months when my subscription lapses

Yep. The logical fallacy is that the person that has Marvel/Zen Pinball on their PS+ sub likely won't let it lapse to see what happens anyway.

This would be the only unlock key game to break the trend I talked about if it were true. Even though it doesn't look like it, the pack you refer to is an unlock key for the demo of that pack, which never show an expiration date. It's weirdly layered since the ZP2 pack wasn't specifically offered for PS+, so it shows up like that in a weird way.

Originally Posted by admiralvic Was aware, just added my 2 cents, but added in the last part since I don't think US is always hateful / envious of EU. I recall Vanquish being a mostly positive (though annoyed that it took so long / EU got it well before us) reaction of a very cheap / old game.

Yeah, that was the last time I've seen positive comments since the Vita PS+ launch.

Originally Posted by Kotomine Will do, thanks for the help.

Turns out I can't test it after all, as there's no free DLC in the Japanese version, and the in-package DLC code expired in December.. damn! :/ So the question remains, but my guess would be that DLC is locked to user accounts of that region, versus varying on a game-by-game basis.

Originally Posted by Josh1billion Turns out I can't test it after all, as there's no free DLC in the Japanese version, and the in-package DLC code expired in December.. damn! :/ So the question remains, but my guess would be that DLC is locked to user accounts of that region, versus varying on a game-by-game basis.

After reading a series of your messages (too many to get this simple question), I have the answer!!! =P

Depending on how the DLC in question works, you can use it outside of your JP account. The only exception are "account locked" items, like Tournament Tickets for Uncharted 3. Another would be 100 yen Gomibako, since the plays remains on the account in question. There aren't many more examples and Ni no Kuni shouldn't be among them.

While you might "doubt" my information, keep in mind that I cover mostly Japanese game and my Youtube is filled with me playing Japanese games (and in some cases DLC), in addition to me having several JP region DLC trophies.

Originally Posted by admiralvic After reading a series of your messages (too many to get this simple question), I have the answer!!! =P Depending on how the DLC in question works, you can use it outside of your JP account. The only exception are "account locked" items, like Tournament Tickets for Uncharted 3. Another would be 100 yen Gomibako, since the plays remains on the account in question. There aren't many more examples and Ni no Kuni shouldn't be among them. While you might "doubt" my information, keep in mind that I cover mostly Japanese game and my Youtube is filled with me playing Japanese games (and in some cases DLC), in addition to me having several JP region DLC trophies.

Ah nice! Well, there's your answer, Kotomine.