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Originally Posted by slidecage if you say a company should not make a profit

gtfo.

Originally Posted by slidecage maybe everyone who is bitching about this should got out and try to make their own company and then they will see how hard it is to make a company stay in business . if you say a company should not make a profit then why should anyone who plays sports be paid at all .. They are playing a game they should not make a profit (yes im pissed cause of the nhl lock out LOL)

Weren't you going to quit your job and go on welfare if Obama was reelected?

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Yep. But they at least tend to be a little better on pay, benefits etc than wal-mart and provide a much nicer shopping experience. Just really no better options for things like toiletries etc. the grocery stores, CVS etc are no better to their employees and charge more for those things.

Oh I agree. Fortunately one of the supermarket chains in MA is unionized, so I have more options.

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback That article is part if a whole series discussing just how ed up the health care system is. I just pointed that piece out because of how insane it is. Utterly disgusting.

Ahhh...gotcha. Gonna try and catch the rest of the series then.

Am I the only one who feels sick to his stomach every time that pizza with two types of bacon is advertised? Cheese is fat, bacon is fat, you've basically got carbs (dough) topped with sugar (tomato sauce) topped with fat (cheese) topped with more fat (bacon) Forget vegetables, that pizza doesn't even have enough protein.

Also I can't eat shitty box pizza anymore, I keep thinking of that Dominos pizza scandal.

Originally Posted by slidecage saying if you want to pay xxxx more for a pizza to pay for their health insurance then why not xxxx more for a pay raise xxxxx more for free college xxxx more for free cars for the drivers ect ect ect

This makes sense from a buy American over imports viewpoint actually. Even though you could get a product cheaper from China, paying more domestically would improve the purchasing power and quality of life for your fellow American.

(Assuming of course that the business is not overly top heavy--as a consumer there is a little bit of a moral choice here, would you be willing to pay more for a product from a business where worker and management salaries aren't grossly out of proportion from one another?)

Originally Posted by slidecage maybe everyone who is bitching about this should got out and try to make their own company and then they will see how hard it is to make a company stay in business . if you say a company should not make a profit then why should anyone who plays sports be paid at all .. They are playing a game they should not make a profit (yes im pissed cause of the nhl lock out LOL)

I always find your arguments interesting in the fact that they often don't need refuting. They seem to accomplish that on their own by being horribly ridiculous replies to nothing anyone has said.

Just so you all know John Schnatter is all cool with the ACA. He thinks it is great all Americans are getting health care. No really, he is saying that all that other stuff he said was taken the wrong way. He was saying that the franchises would be cutting people's hours NOT Papa Johns. No, they are beacon of hope for the American worker, in fact this will level the playing field for him. Walk back much Mr. Schnatter? Money trumps ideals every time for these guys and he saw potentially a shit storm that could effect his bottom line.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-h...b_2166209.html

I wish I could with his bottom line. As it is, I don't buy pizza from chain stores (okay, I admit I almost bought an "Uno" pizza at O'Hare airport last week), so I can claim to "boycott" Papa John's all I want. Fact is, I just know better.

And, living in the Northeast, you can't walk ten feet without tripping over a pizza shop. It's like Subway sandwiches - there are so many amazing hoagie and grinder places in every city and town here that I have no clue who in the mother walks into a Subway in Philly like "allright! *FINALLY* found a good sandwich shop!"

So avoiding chain stores is really easy for me. I'll eat McD's like 5 times a year at most. Dunkin' Donuts is a weakness as well - but other than that, I don't do any of that stuff anymore. Don't have to, don't need to, don't want to.

I've actually boycotted Papa Johns since he first made those comments during the election. I usually ordered from them once a month or so. Reason being none of the local pizza joints here deliver--and there aren't all that many anyway. Atlanta isn't nearly as good a city for good food as the northeast cities unfortunately. But I still largely avoid chain places when dining out--while it's not DC where I was before, there are still some decent local joints around so no reason to hit up chains. Main sucky thing is most of hte good ethnic restaurants are up in the northern suburbs and thus pretty out of the way for people living in the city.

Anyway, PJ is crap, but better than Pizza Hut or Domino's, so I usually went with them when watching football or whatever and wanting a pizza. But no more. Now if I get a pizza craving I just grab a slice or two for lunch as there's a couple ok local joints near my work.

Originally Posted by dmaul1114 Atlanta isn't nearly as good a city for good food

LIES.

Not only did I miss you in Chicago last week, I was in Atlanta the first weekend of November (not that I had a spare moment). I finally got to have pancakes at Ria's Bluebird. HOLY . And cheap, too. If you can tolerate the too-hipster-to-give-good-service (a/k/a just plain hipster) service, it's hella worth it.

There are a number of really good places to eat right on Memorial SE south of Oakland Cemetery. Decatur has a number of good food spots as well. The only place in ATL where I was a bit dumbfounded with the food offerings was where we were staying (Mariott Marquis, home of next year's ASC ). But that's b/c it's the typical convention area of a metro downtown.

(oh, also, there appeared to be a new-ish craft beer bar on Memorial a few blocks west of Rias/Tin Lizzy etc. - didn't catch the name, though I'm sure you're quite familiar with it.)

Now, if you want to argue that there's no good pizza in ATL, that's not something I am able to argue against. But as for good food, I had some damned good meals there a few weeks ago. Also, I'm hella addicted to Chicago style dogs now, and can't get a good hot dog in Philly to save my ing life.

Now I'm just hungry, and quite off topic. But we're talking about pizza anyway, so...yeah.

When I first moved here I bought a bread machine and have been makin my own pizzas ever since. (There isnt decent pizza within 500 miles of me) You should do the same. Its a lot easier than you think to make better than average pizza at home.

As per Papa Johns in particular: Its one of the worst offenders as far as honesty goes (long before this debacle) You all know its not real cheese right (none of them are) They put on a big front when it comes to their meat and veggies , pounding their chest over how good that aspect is , because the cheese is actual plastic.
Its real cheese in the same sense that the mozzarella you bought at Aldi is real cheese. (Mostly oil based with a tiny portion of skim milk plus oodles of delicious Polymethylsiloxane. Which is also one of the main ingredients in chicken McNuggets btw )

A dead giveaway everytime : They cant get away with calling it Cheese. They have to call it something else when they list the ingredients. Like "Pizza Topping" , or "Pizza Cheese"
If they called it Mozzarella , thats a class action in the making. Cant remember if it was Pizza hut or Dominoes that tried getting away with advertising that they had real Mozzarella cheese, but that didnt last.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if you looked at the ingredients and it read "Real 100% Mozzarella Cheesetm"

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 Just so you all know John Schnatter is all cool with the ACA. He thinks it is great all Americans are getting health care. No really, he is saying that all that other stuff he said was taken the wrong way. He was saying that the franchises would be cutting people's hours NOT Papa Johns. No, they are beacon of hope for the American worker, in fact this will level the playing field for him. Walk back much Mr. Schnatter? Money trumps ideals every time for these guys and he saw potentially a shit storm that could effect his bottom line. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-h...b_2166209.html

It's cute how he thinks his opinion matters so much. 'Papa John hates on workers' was a cute story but your fifteen minutes of fame are over Johnny.

Originally Posted by mykevermin LIES. Not only did I miss you in Chicago last week, I was in Atlanta the first weekend of November (not that I had a spare moment). I finally got to have pancakes at Ria's Bluebird. HOLY . And cheap, too. If you can tolerate the too-hipster-to-give-good-service (a/k/a just plain hipster) service, it's hella worth it. There are a number of really good places to eat right on Memorial SE south of Oakland Cemetery. Decatur has a number of good food spots as well. The only place in ATL where I was a bit dumbfounded with the food offerings was where we were staying (Mariott Marquis, home of next year's ASC ). But that's b/c it's the typical convention area of a metro downtown. (oh, also, there appeared to be a new-ish craft beer bar on Memorial a few blocks west of Rias/Tin Lizzy etc. - didn't catch the name, though I'm sure you're quite familiar with it.) Now, if you want to argue that there's no good pizza in ATL, that's not something I am able to argue against. But as for good food, I had some damned good meals there a few weeks ago. Also, I'm hella addicted to Chicago style dogs now, and can't get a good hot dog in Philly to save my ing life. Now I'm just hungry, and quite off topic. But we're talking about pizza anyway, so...yeah.

There used to be this place in town, it was owned and run by this couple from Chicago, they made the best damned hotdogs I've ever eaten. It was the first time I'd ever had colelsaw on a hotdog, it was fantastic. They also had pizza puffs, which are like a much better version of a hot pocket. Then the place closed, and turned into some sort of quasi italian/greek place.

Originally Posted by EdRyder When I first moved here I bought a bread machine and have been makin my own pizzas ever since. (There isnt decent pizza within 500 miles of me) You should do the same. Its a lot easier than you think to make better than average pizza at home. As per Papa Johns in particular: Its one of the worst offenders as far as honesty goes (long before this debacle) You all know its not real cheese right (none of them are) They put on a big front when it comes to their meat and veggies , pounding their chest over how good that aspect is , because the cheese is actual plastic. Its real cheese in the same sense that the mozzarella you bought at Aldi is real cheese. (Mostly oil based with a tiny portion of skim milk plus oodles of delicious Polymethylsiloxane. Which is also one of the main ingredients in chicken McNuggets btw ) A dead giveaway everytime : They cant get away with calling it Cheese. They have to call it something else when they list the ingredients. Like "Pizza Topping" , or "Pizza Cheese" If they called it Mozzarella , thats a class action in the making. Cant remember if it was Pizza hut or Dominoes that tried getting away with advertising that they had real Mozzarella cheese, but that didnt last. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you looked at the ingredients and it read "Real 100% Mozzarella Cheesetm"

Just like Kraft singles are "cheese".

Originally Posted by EdRyder When I first moved here I bought a bread machine and have been makin my own pizzas ever since. (There isnt decent pizza within 500 miles of me) You should do the same. Its a lot easier than you think to make better than average pizza at home. As per Papa Johns in particular: Its one of the worst offenders as far as honesty goes (long before this debacle) You all know its not real cheese right (none of them are) They put on a big front when it comes to their meat and veggies , pounding their chest over how good that aspect is , because the cheese is actual plastic. Its real cheese in the same sense that the mozzarella you bought at Aldi is real cheese. (Mostly oil based with a tiny portion of skim milk plus oodles of delicious Polymethylsiloxane. Which is also one of the main ingredients in chicken McNuggets btw ) A dead giveaway everytime : They cant get away with calling it Cheese. They have to call it something else when they list the ingredients. Like "Pizza Topping" , or "Pizza Cheese" If they called it Mozzarella , thats a class action in the making. Cant remember if it was Pizza hut or Dominoes that tried getting away with advertising that they had real Mozzarella cheese, but that didnt last. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you looked at the ingredients and it read "Real 100% Mozzarella Cheesetm"

Link? I'm genuinely curious. Reminds me of the "chocolatey" vs "chocolate" issue, where Hershey is making products with zero chocolate/cacao content (like those tiny candy coated hershey kisses - zero chocolate). They're called "Chocolatey candies" instead of "chocolate candies."

Originally Posted by mykevermin LIES. Not only did I miss you in Chicago last week, I was in Atlanta the first weekend of November (not that I had a spare moment). I finally got to have pancakes at Ria's Bluebird. HOLY . And cheap, too. If you can tolerate the too-hipster-to-give-good-service (a/k/a just plain hipster) service, it's hella worth it. There are a number of really good places to eat right on Memorial SE south of Oakland Cemetery. Decatur has a number of good food spots as well. The only place in ATL where I was a bit dumbfounded with the food offerings was where we were staying (Mariott Marquis, home of next year's ASC ). But that's b/c it's the typical convention area of a metro downtown. (oh, also, there appeared to be a new-ish craft beer bar on Memorial a few blocks west of Rias/Tin Lizzy etc. - didn't catch the name, though I'm sure you're quite familiar with it.) Now, if you want to argue that there's no good pizza in ATL, that's not something I am able to argue against. But as for good food, I had some damned good meals there a few weeks ago. Also, I'm hella addicted to Chicago style dogs now, and can't get a good hot dog in Philly to save my ing life. Now I'm just hungry, and quite off topic. But we're talking about pizza anyway, so...yeah.

Sorry I missed you as well. Ended up super hung over on Thursday so didn't do much that day, and was booked on Friday.

The problem I have is most of the good food spots around town are pub/bar food, southern food, BBQ etc. which I don't like eating very often. With some notable exceptions of course. Atlanta isn't a bad food town by any means, just not comparable to the big NE cities. It's especially lacking as most of the good Asian, Mexican and other ethnic food spots are up on Buford Highway with a lot of them way up in the suburbs where there's a bigger immigrant population--really isn't any big immigrant neighborhoods intown, weird for such a big city to not have a Chinatown area etc.

Lot's of great places to grab a burger and a beer, some ok Italian joints etc., but lacking on ethnic food, good healthy restaurants etc. which are more my style when wanting to eat out rather than grab drinks and food with friends when it's more about the beer and conversation. Atlanta has a great selection of those kind of spots--though I haven't tried the place on Memorial you're talking about.

But location is a lot of it, I work downtown (about a mile south of that hotel) and live in mid town (about 2 miles north of it) so I generally only go out to eat around those areas. I usually don't feel like driving over to Memorial/Grant Park or up to Buckhead or the suburbs where some of the better spots are. Living in a city has made me lazy about driving, especially when traffic and parking can be a pain.

Originally Posted by EdRyder When I first moved here I bought a bread machine and have been makin my own pizzas ever since. (There isnt decent pizza within 500 miles of me) You should do the same. Its a lot easier than you think to make better than average pizza at home. As per Papa Johns in particular: Its one of the worst offenders as far as honesty goes (long before this debacle) You all know its not real cheese right (none of them are) They put on a big front when it comes to their meat and veggies , pounding their chest over how good that aspect is , because the cheese is actual plastic. Its real cheese in the same sense that the mozzarella you bought at Aldi is real cheese. (Mostly oil based with a tiny portion of skim milk plus oodles of delicious Polymethylsiloxane. Which is also one of the main ingredients in chicken McNuggets btw ) A dead giveaway everytime : They cant get away with calling it Cheese. They have to call it something else when they list the ingredients. Like "Pizza Topping" , or "Pizza Cheese" If they called it Mozzarella , thats a class action in the making. Cant remember if it was Pizza hut or Dominoes that tried getting away with advertising that they had real Mozzarella cheese, but that didnt last. I wouldn't be surprised at all if you looked at the ingredients and it read "Real 100% Mozzarella Cheesetm"

This whole post made me sad. Now I have to be worried about my cheese actually not being cheese? Growing up in WI makes it all the worse.

Originally Posted by mykevermin Link?

http://www.themilkweed.com/Feature_06_Jan.pdf
That article is focused on Pizza Hut , but make no mistake: The company in question that makes the cheese , Leprino foods , makes that cheese for Pizza Hut, Domino’s, Papa John’s, Hot Pockets and Lean Cuisine.

Edit: For laughs I googled Papa John Nutritional information
http://www.papajohns.com/faqs/nutritional-faqs.shtm

See anything about the cheese?

Originally Posted by cancerman1120 This whole post made me sad. Now I have to be worried about my cheese actually not being cheese? Growing up in WI makes it all the worse.

:( I hate to break it to you but , you needed to be worried about your cheese since we were kids
From 1992

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chymax
http://www.ehow.com/about_6555224_history-chy_max.html
https://www.thecheesemaker.com/pdf/C...nnet_Specs.pdf

Holy goddamn am I glad Papa Gino's uses real cheese!