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A mother of two who was fatally shot by a deputy after she was suspected of shoplifting at Walmart didn’t deserve to die, her family said. ... Campbell chased the women to the parking lot, where they tried driving off. At one point, he said he was between the car door and the driver’s seat and feared for his safety. He fired, striking Frey in the neck. She died at an apartment complex in the 1300 block of Greens Parkway minutes afterward.

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Walma...182626411.html

When a mother of two can end up shot dead in front of two kids in the car because she was suspected of shoplifting, I think society is losing whatever empathy we had. And the comments are disgusting - I see some of the same crazy viewpoints on these forums, when folks talk about denying poor people of their right to vote, or cutting off benefits for the poverty stricken and letting them starve. And now this, it's nuts. The woman didn't exercise good judgement but there had to be a better possible outcome then this.

Originally Posted by camoor http://www.khou.com/news/local/Walma...182626411.html When a mother of two can end up shot dead in front of her kids because she was suspected of shoplifting, I think society is losing whatever empathy we had. And the comments are disgusting - I see some of the same crazy viewpoints on these forums, when folks talk about denying poor people of their right to vote, or cutting off benefits for the poverty stricken and letting them starve. And now this, it's nuts. The woman didn't exercise good judgement but there had to be a better possible outcome then this.

Though Wilkerson said there were two young children in the car during the shooting, she said they were not her daughter’s children.

Your sensationalism is showing.

Edit:

I don't agree with the outcome, I'm not sure anything at Walmart is worth killing someone over but come on...

Court documents, meantime, reveal that Shelly Frey wasn’t even supposed to be at a Walmart. Earlier this year she pleaded guilty to stealing shirts and a package of meat, and agreed to avoid Walmart stores as part of a plea agreement.

If this happened at a private residence in Texas instead of Walmart it would be a non-story

Originally Posted by GBAstar Your sensationalism is showing.

My bad - I misread the article and edited the OP to correct the mistake.

Honestly it wouldn't matter to me if there were no kids in the car, the story is bad enough on it's own.

Originally Posted by camoor My bad - I misread the article and edited the OP to correct the mistake. Honestly it wouldn't matter to me if there were no kids in the car, the story is bad enough on it's own.

Yes you're absolutely right. I have no idea why they need armed security in a Walmart. I understand the guy was a sheriff or a LEO of some sort but I'd think he could have just taken the license plate and called it quits.

In another thread I thought someone mentioned that some Walmarts in rough neighborhoods have police substations in them, is this true?

If their is a pending lawsuit would it be against Walmart or the officer or both? I don't think Walmart is at fault here but it'll gain national attention just because of where it happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXca4WcCzlo

The only kind of gun control I'm in favor of:

government employees

Originally Posted by GBAstar Yes you're absolutely right. I have no idea why they need armed security in a Walmart. I understand the guy was a sheriff or a LEO of some sort but I'd think he could have just taken the license plate and called it quits. In another thread I thought someone mentioned that some Walmarts in rough neighborhoods have police substations in them, is this true? If their is a pending lawsuit would it be against Walmart or the officer or both? I don't think Walmart is at fault here but it'll gain national attention just because of where it happened.

Yeah - I'd like to know just how hard Walmart was pushing their off-duty cops to crack down on shoplifters. The cop should have known better then to follow the lady out to her car, but if Walmart was complicit here then they deserve part of the blame.

And the comments are disgusting - I see some of the same crazy viewpoints on these forums, when folks talk about denying poor people of their right to vote, or cutting off benefits for the poverty stricken and letting them starve. And now this, it's nuts. The woman didn't exercise good judgement but there had to be a better possible outcome then this.

Please point me in the direction of people posting these view points.

Also, she probably should have stopped when he told her to stop. There wasn't anything wrong with him following her and the other two thieves to their car.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Please point me in the direction of people posting these view points.

The disabilities thread is the current reference.

i.e.:

Originally Posted by egofed I've stated my position before, but let me clarify it for you again. If you have proven that you can not "exist" without taxpayer assistance, then I want super strict rules applied to your ass. As soon as you get your act together and remove yourself from the government teat, then you resume being a full fledged "private" citizen and not a ward of the nanny state. Hell, no vote for welfare recipients!!! Prove you can contribute and deserve the freedoms and liberty we have....votes to continue and increase your welfare entitlements are self destructive. I'll go a step further, no federal income tax paid this year? No vote! You should only have a voice if you actually have some skin in the game. Shame is no longer an issue in this country so other incentives must be tried. These "regulations" are only necessary if we keep these oppressive programs. End all government welfare (public, corporate, and foreign) and then we'd be beholden to only ourselves.

Originally Posted by perdition(troy Also, she probably should have stopped when he told her to stop. There wasn't anything wrong with him following her and the other two thieves to their car.

I'm not going to let you get off that easy.

Do you think it was wrong for the cop to unload his weapon into a car filled with a woman and two kids and kill her right in front of those kids over a handful of stolen merch from Walmart?

Come on troy, stop being coy. Let us know your true feelings about what the Walmart cop did.

Originally Posted by camoor I'm not going to let you get off that easy. Do you think it was wrong for the cop to unload his weapon into a car filled with a woman and two kids and kill her right in front of those kids over a handful of stolen merch from Walmart? Come on troy, stop being coy. Let us know your true feelings about what the Walmart cop did.

It was a poor decision and unnecessary. This event could have been avoided had both parties used better judgement.

That being said, from how it was reported, I am confident that whoever investigates police shootings in Texas (it's the AG in Maine) will find the cop justified.

In Maine there have been 65 incidents where police had killed someone in the line of duty and each and everyone has been justified despite a handful involving victims that had no weapons. In fact there was an incident where one of the men killed was shoot 5 times in the back and in another a man in a wheel chair was shoot and killed after brandishing a knife.

I wouldn't want to have to work in an occupation where you have to make life or death situations but I think in the wake of a police shooting their should be an independent and impartial panel that does the investigation.

Originally Posted by GBAstar It was a poor decision and unnecessary. This event could have been avoided had both parties used better judgement. That being said, from how it was reported, I am confident that whoever investigates police shootings in Texas (it's the AG in Maine) will find the cop justified.

Yeah, it just gets to me that troy said that there wasn't anything wrong with the cop following the thieves to their car. I don't want my shopping mall parking lot to turn into the OK Corral every time someone with sticky fingers walks out of Wally World.

Originally Posted by GBAstar It was a poor decision and unnecessary. This event could have been avoided had both parties used better judgement. That being said, from how it was reported, I am confident that whoever investigates police shootings in Texas (it's the AG in Maine) will find the cop justified.

Is this your cynicism towards police accountability showing, or do you think that there is some small potential for justification on the security guard (not police, security guard) shooting and killing a thief?

The fact that this is private security and not a police force makes for different potential outcomes in terms of responsibility, oversight and investigation. I don't know enough about TX state law to speak to that entirely, though.

Do any of you think that lethal force in a case like this is actually appropriate? I'm quite curious.

Originally Posted by camoor Yeah, it just gets to me that troy said that there wasn't anything wrong with the cop following the thieves to their car. I don't want my shopping mall parking lot to turn into the OK Corral every time someone with sticky fingers walks out of Wally World.

And again it's Walmart and 2012 so I'm sure there are numerous video cameras inside the store and outside the store that got the thieves on camera; combine that with the fact that the sheriff was a witness and could have identified the suspects as well as their car and perhaps license plate...

I just don't see where it is necessary to feel like you have to try and restrain/remove someone who is entering a vehicle when you are by yourself as a LEO in this situation.

Unless the thieves committed or threatened to commit a violent crime inside Walmart, or had some sort of weapon to me this is one of this situations where you should not put yourself in a situation where it becomes necessary to draw your gun.

Originally Posted by mykevermin Is this your cynicism towards police accountability showing, or do you think that there is some small potential for justification on the security guard (not police, security guard) shooting and killing a thief? The fact that this is private security and not a police force makes for different potential outcomes in terms of responsibility, oversight and investigation. I don't know enough about TX state law to speak to that entirely, though. Do any of you think that lethal force in a case like this is actually appropriate? I'm quite curious.

I'll have to reread the article. For some reason I thought that the shooter was a LEO and that he was being hired to work security at the Walmart as a LEO; similar to how some bars and other businesses hire LEO to work as LEO.


And my comments are a reflection of my disappointment in how events such as these are investigated---to the point where it is a conflict on interest.

In Maine the Attorney General investigates all police shootings. Seeing how much occur by State Troopers don't you see how their might be a financial incentive for the AG to rule that the shooting was justified?

I give police a lot of credit and in most instances I'll put the blame on the criminal that gets shot, even if I don't feel like they deserved to die because it doesn't take a lot of to put yourself in a situation where the police will draw their guns and at that point it doesn't take much more to give them a cause to pull the trigger....

But I don't think that petty larceny (if that's what this was), from Walmart no less, deserves that much follow through.

I don't have the details but I'm envisioning that the officer who followed the thieves inserted himself into the doorway of a car that most likely already had its engine running and then was "Surprised" when the cart started moving....

Again avoidable.

Maybe I didn't read the replies closely enough but have we really not seen a "well, she shouldn't have been stealing in the first place" type response yet?

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue Maybe I didn't read the replies closely enough but have we really not seen a "well, she shouldn't have been stealing in the first place" type response yet?

No... but she really shouldn't have been at that Walmart.

I'm not going to let you get off that easy.Do you think it was wrong for the cop to unload his weapon into a car filled with a woman and two kids and kill her right in front of those kids over a handful of stolen merch from Walmart? Come on troy, stop being coy. Let us know your true feelings about what the Walmart cop did.

It was 3 women (including the one that was shot) and two kids, not just the one lady and two kids.

No, I don't think it is right that he shot his weapon and killed her. A taser or stun gun should have been used, there isn't ever any reason to use lethal force imo when we have so many other options to subdue criminals.

Originally Posted by GBAstar No... but she really shouldn't have been at that Walmart.

Because on a previous trip she had stolen food and clothing? Real criminal mastermind threat they were dealing with.

She was caught both times, she isn't a criminal mastermind, but just your average dumb criminal.