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Originally Posted by UncleBob Point taken. However, at the very least, we could wait until the facts of the case are known so we don't have blowhards going off about violent rhetoric in politics or violence in entertainment that turns out to have played no role in the actual shooting, for example.

Ironically, I was watching my two youngest kids while my wife was at an appointment, my oldest was in his kindergarten classroom, and on Jim Rome, he broke from sports to talk about the shooting, and to speak on how hard it is to do a sports show and act like sports matter, when this kind of stuff breaks. It wasn't a rant on gun control, gun violence, or the second ammendment. I scanned through some other AM stations hoping to get more detailed news, and I land on Rush. He's condemning all the liberals for politicizing the shooting and using it for an agenda. sake. They don't even have a body count, and that fat ing prescription pill popping cum sponge is politicizing it, by bitching about politization? I changed it quickly back to sports talk...so I could find out what was going on factually, and not with all kinds of baggage.

Let that settle in. Sports talk was delivering the news, "NEWS" radio was ing it in the ass.

Originally Posted by dohdough There's something called the Chain of Custody. If someone along that line was negligent, then that needs to be dealt with.

That's not practical when you have illegal arms being shipped in and out of this country on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by berzirk Ironically, I was watching my two youngest kids while my wife was at an appointment, my oldest was in his kindergarten classroom, and on Jim Rome, he broke from sports to talk about the shooting, and to speak on how hard it is to do a sports show and act like sports matter, when this kind of stuff breaks. It wasn't a rant on gun control, gun violence, or the second ammendment. I scanned through some other AM stations hoping to get more detailed news, and I land on Rush. He's condemning all the liberals for politicizing the shooting and using it for an agenda. sake. They don't even have a body count, and that fat ing prescription pill popping cum sponge is politicizing it, by bitching about politization? I changed it quickly back to sports talk...so I could find out what was going on factually, and not with all kinds of baggage. Let that settle in. Sports talk was delivering the news, "NEWS" radio was ing it in the ass.

That's what you get for thinking Rush is "News Radio". =D

Originally Posted by Mooby That's not practical when you have illegal arms being shipped in and out of this country on a daily basis.

No, I think that's precisely covered by doh's statement. Whether it's irresponsibly sending guns to Mexican drug cartels by Bush and Obama, or someone leaving their assault rifle on a park bench and having someone steal it, both should be dealt with criminally.

This whole thing just makes me sick. How can someone kill children like that?

This incident just brought tears to my eyes. And I'm going to be so pissed off about the ers in television who keep trumpeting out "now is not the time." How much more motherers? How much more carnage?

Originally Posted by Mooby That's not practical when you have illegal arms being shipped in and out of this country on a daily basis.

I was pretty clear by what I meant and I already have it covered, but let's breakdown what you're saying instead of repeating myself.

What makes those guns "illegal" beyond you slapping that label on them?

The other part that makes my blood boil in all of this, how low of a cretin do you have to be, to think to yourself as a member of the media, "Hey, I've got a grand idea! Quick cram a microphone in an 8 year old's face who just sat through mass murder." So, Jenny, after you saw your older brother get shot in the face, what were you thinking? Cover the event, get details. Don't exploit the kids in all of this. They respect victims of sex abuse, why can't we respect victims and witnessess of horrific violence.

Yeah - I've seen some of those video clips as thumbnails on a couple of the news sites.

I'm not even going to give them the clicks.

Those kids should be seeing their families and psychiatrists. Not "reporters".

Ah, and we've already had News Media throwing around the Twitter/Facebook accounts of people with the same name as the shooter. Pretty good shit, but let's see if we can't up the class a little bit more?








Yes. Yes, thank you, American Family Association's "Director of Issues Analysis". Thank you for existing.

Originally Posted by UncleBob Point taken. However, at the very least, we could wait until the facts of the case are known so we don't have blowhards going off about violent rhetoric in politics or violence in entertainment that turns out to have played no role in the actual shooting, for example.

I think there something to be said about "gun culture" in the US. It may have less to do with amount of guns and more to a societal issue. Israel and Switzerland both have very easy access to guns. Citizens are allowed to own them freely and gun ownership is on par with the US yet they have a much lower homicide rate. Not sure if gun control is the end all be all answer but I think it is a start in the right direction for sure.

I agree though that making baseless statements before all facts are known is advisable but in the general sense an actual conversation about guns in this country can be had today.

Originally Posted by berzirk The other part that makes my blood boil in all of this, how low of a cretin do you have to be, to think to yourself as a member of the media, "Hey, I've got a grand idea! Quick cram a microphone in an 8 year old's face who just sat through mass murder." So, Jenny, after you saw your older brother get shot in the face, what were you thinking? Cover the event, get details. Don't exploit the kids in all of this. They respect victims of sex abuse, why can't we respect victims and witnessess of horrific violence.

Don't forget that the press has to go throught the parents for this type of stuff. Just sayin'

I can't help but think that the reason a lot of these nut jobs pull these things is for the attention that will be afforded them post-mortem. They always seem to get their wish.

Originally Posted by Mooby Any call for gun control legislation presumes these acts are committed with guns obtained legally. That may or may not be the case. As the facts trickle in it's obvious this was premeditated as the man killed one of his family members then proceeded to drive all the way from New Jersey to Connecticut to bust into the school and start shooting up the place. Hard to imagine that someone who was hell bent on doing this wouldn't have gotten his hands on a gun one way or another. Drugs are illegal but anyone who wants them can get them without much effort.

We definitely need to know the facts. There have been 61 mass shootings in the US since 1982. 48-49 (not sure from graph) of them occurred with guns obtained legally. There is an good 11 points on gun control article from the Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...united-states/

Some interesting tidbits:

11 of the 20 worst mass shootings have occurred in the US. (not including today which if the death count holds would make it #2 in the US). Finland is #2 on the list with 2.

5 of those 11 have occurred since 2007. Again a society issue is also at play IMO.

Violence is down in this country but still higher than many other countries.

The South is the most violent region in the US.

Home gun ownership is actually lower than 50 years ago.

States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.

Interesting read.

At risk of sounding clever and/or cute:
How many of these things happened this year in the US? Batman, that mall last week, this one and the Sikh temple are the ones I can remember. That's 4. Average one every three months. Also, that's 4 I can remember which also says something...

How many happened this year in Japan which has HUGE restrictions on guns?

Originally Posted by nasum At risk of sounding clever and/or cute: How many of these things happened this year in the US? Batman, that mall last week, this one and the Sikh temple are the ones I can remember. That's 4. Average one every three months. Also, that's 4 I can remember which also says something... How many happened this year in Japan which has HUGE restrictions on guns?

And as someone pointed out, how many have happened in Switzerland or New Zealand?

Originally Posted by EdRyder The cooling off time is ultimately exactly why we finally need regulation. Gulliani was just on CNN talking about this yesterday. Once more with the assumption that when someone is determined to mass murder people (paraphrasing him here) "Whether its with knives or poison they'll find a way". Total BS All these rampages prove it comes down to ease of use.

Something about driving a car into a building right? Well, you can construct barriers. How much is a bag of concrete? How much is a kid's life worth?
A knife? One or two people can subdue a person with a knife.
Poison? Yep, hard to detect that. On the other hand, the argument that armed citizens prevent tragedies wouldn't apply since, well, it's hard to detect and deter a mass poisoning.

To that end, what makes more sense; kevlar for the kids or reducing access?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ro-gun-deaths/

In 2008, when the United States experienced over 12,000 gun-related homicides, Japan had only 11

Originally Posted by Temporaryscars And as someone pointed out, how many have happened in Switzerland or New Zealand?

I'm guessing that those countries have a much better relationship with guns as opposed to the one in the US, which fetishizes them.

Originally Posted by nasum Something about driving a car into a building right? Well, you can construct barriers. How much is a bag of concrete? How much is a kid's life worth? A knife? One or two people can subdue a person with a knife. Poison? Yep, hard to detect that. On the other hand, the argument that armed citizens prevent tragedies wouldn't apply since, well, it's hard to detect and deter a mass poisoning. To that end, what makes more sense; kevlar for the kids or reducing access?

Kevlar of course! Cause the Free Market!

Originally Posted by winterice We should have a one pull one bullet law. It would make every gun have the same firing rate of a revolver. I've never shot a gun before but wouldn't the index finger be tired by the tenth or so bullet? Even if the index finger doesn't tired easily, I think the delay of having to pull the trigger every time would help.

Well automatic guns are illegal in the US but semi's aren't which is what the shooter used. Odd logic I know.