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If you could get $5 for DNF take it and run. It is bad. Is it the worst game ever made? No. Is it worse than the Duke Nuke'em they were giving away on GOG for free? Yes. Might have been better if they didn't break up the shooting parts with a bunch of platforming/vehicle/aimless wandering nonsense. That and a four gun limit... in an FPS... what?!

So it's 12/20 (actually I'm lying because I'm on the West coast and it's still 12/19 right now but humor me) when is the sale starting? The thread title says 12/20!

Sorry, no one has asked in the last couple of pages so figured I would head it off for a bit.

Originally Posted by Mooby If you could get $5 for DNF take it and run. It is bad. Is it the worst game ever made? No. Is it worse than the Duke Nuke'em they were giving away on GOG for free? Yes. Might have been better if they didn't break up the shooting parts with a bunch of platforming/vehicle/aimless wandering nonsense. That and a four gun limit... in an FPS... what?!

The problem with games like Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo 3 is that when you've waited like 75% of Idiotekque's life span for a sequel you kind of expect a little more.

Originally Posted by Eldredpe I owned an Iron Maiden shirt once. I still do. But I use it for when I'm painting now. I think that was a good life decision. I totally did, but I was a little kid. Sonic was actually my favorite character of any type when I was a child. I read the comics and watched the television show (the one where they're all domestic terrorists) and played the games. But at some point I grew up and got into slower paced games (RPGs, RTSs, etc.) and realized that Sonic's gameplay stresses the hell out of me and I kind of hate it.

So I'm going to guess that you don't own any Iron Maidens (the only all-female Iron Maiden tribute band) albums? ...and have probably missed the joy of Scandinavian Metal.

Sounds like you're losing it in your old age. =) (Though I must be older than you.) I never got into the spinoff stuff. Sonic was fast in the context of all the slower paced games (in Arcade, consoles, & computers) that preceeded it. By modern standards Golden Axe is downright leisurely. Ghosts'n Goblins (Makaimura) still maintains it's oh-crap nature.

The Trooper

Originally Posted by Motoki So it's 12/20 (actually I'm lying because I'm on the West coast and it's still 12/19 right now but humor me) when is the sale starting? The thread title says 12/20! Sorry, no one has asked in the last couple of pages so figured I would head it off for a bit.

Steam sales typically start at 1:00 PM EST

Originally Posted by Motoki The problem with games like Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo 3 is that when you've waited like 75% of Idiotekque's life span for a sequel you kind of expect a little more.

I do believe we have just enough time before the sale starts for a duel to the death between Motoki and Idiotekque.

God knows I've been thirsting for some bloodsport since they shut down the local cockfights.

Originally Posted by Motoki So it's 12/20 (actually I'm lying because I'm on the West coast and it's still 12/19 right now but humor me) when is the sale starting? The thread title says 12/20! Sorry, no one has asked in the last couple of pages so figured I would head it off for a bit.

Waiting as well. I heard 10am PST which is 11.5 hours from now?

Originally Posted by CaptainSlow Do you or anyone have the link of the account tool that shows a pie graph of the games you've played and the games you haven't even touched? I remember seeing a link in a post a while ago but couldn't find it.

Of the achievement-whore sites, jsarabians and achievementstats.com give pie charts, but of chv %, not time played. I can't think of any that do the latter off the top of me head.

Originally Posted by CrossFireXT17 Steam sales typically start at 1:00 PM EST

I know I'm not the only one who checked his post history.

Originally Posted by Motoki The problem with games like Duke Nukem Forever and Diablo 3 is that when you've waited like 75% of Idiotekque's life span for a sequel you kind of expect a little more.

I wouldn't even say it's so much that is that they just butchered what the series was about: shooting things in the face continuously. They introduced a bunch of gimmicky stuff that takes away from it. They seem to have forgotten what FPS stands for. Take something like Serious Sam. There's not a whole lot of difference between the main Croteam games but it delivers what people expect in spades.

Originally Posted by CaptainSlow Do you or anyone have the link of the account tool that shows a pie graph of the games you've played and the games you haven't even touched? I remember seeing a link in a post a while ago but couldn't find it.

http://www.lambentstew.com/webblog/m.../steamanalysis

Originally Posted by asheskitty So I'm going to guess that you don't own any Iron Maidens (the only all-female Iron Maiden tribute band) albums? ...and have probably missed the joy of Scandinavian Metal.

I have never listened to Iron Maidens, but I don't believe I missed Scandinavian metal entirely. Dark Tranquility opening for Opeth is one of the better shows I've been to. Akerfeldt has an adorable stage presence.

I was mostly making a silly joke about how once I got out of high school I never really felt comfortable wearing metal t-shirts in public. Because it's kind of legitimately goofy.

And I'm pretty sure the majority of the regulars here are older than me, judging from posts.

I would tell you to get off my lawn!

Originally Posted by Mooby I would tell you to get off my lawn!

And I would go back to sleeping in a pile of glass and dried vomit, damnit!

EDIT: After I play through Pathologic I will have beaten every game in the Indie Royale Halloween bundle. I'm feeling really proud about that.

Oh and I'm sick of waiting already. Drunk last night and was doing the time conversions (I'm in Korea) to figure out when the steam sales started and swore it was 3pm today (20th). I was wrong....3am on the 21st obviously.

Originally Posted by starscream1101 Oh and I'm sick of waiting already. Drunk last night and was doing the time conversions (I'm in Korea) to figure out when the steam sales started and swore it was 3pm today (20th). I was wrong....3am on the 21st obviously.

Well you did do the conversions while drunk so I would expect that for sure.

Originally Posted by Mooby If you could get $5 for DNF take it and run. It is bad. Is it the worst game ever made? No. Is it worse than the Duke Nuke'em they were giving away on GOG for free? Yes. Might have been better if they didn't break up the shooting parts with a bunch of platforming/vehicle/aimless wandering nonsense. That and a four gun limit... in an FPS... what?!

Umm.. I can name plenty of FPS with a two gun limit.

How many can you name that aren't also on consoles? It's a horrible design limitation that we have to deal with because games are made with the control scheme of consoles in mind. DNF launched with a 2 gun limit that they upped to 4 on PC in a later patch, IIRC.

Originally Posted by jatan11t Umm.. I can name plenty of FPS with a two gun limit.

Yeah... bad ones.

Originally Posted by Genocidal How many can you name that aren't also on consoles? It's a horrible design limitation that we have to deal with because games are made with the control scheme of consoles in mind. DNF launched with a 2 gun limit that they upped to 4 on PC in a later patch, IIRC.

This.

Originally Posted by Genocidal How many can you name that aren't also on consoles? It's a horrible design limitation that we have to deal with because games are made with the control scheme of consoles in mind. DNF launched with a 2 gun limit that they upped to 4 on PC in a later patch, IIRC.

STALKER - 2 gun limit, PC only

Originally Posted by Genocidal How many can you name that aren't also on consoles? It's a horrible design limitation that we have to deal with because games are made with the control scheme of consoles in mind. DNF launched with a 2 gun limit that they upped to 4 on PC in a later patch, IIRC.

It has become somewhat arbitrary. When Halo made it the normal thing to do, it made sense because Halo was a smartly designed game that made it work with the gameplay. Halo is probably a stronger game for it.

DNF doesn't make any decisions like that. It's mostly trying to be Half Life 2, which didn't have a gun limit because it wasn't designed to be that type of game.

It may be standard now, but forcing a 2 gun limit on the player comes with an obligation to make that design decision meaningful, which DNF does not do.

Originally Posted by travathian STALKER - 2 gun limit, PC only

Stalker has an inventory.

That's like saying Fallout 3 has a 1 gun limit.