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This is the kind of spelunky hype that made me bite week 1, and I just don't see what everyone else seems to see. I would recommend checking out the demo first and hopefully it is for you.

Just to confirm Dragonborn will not be on sale next week as far as we know?

If so, I'll get Spelunky. I guess worse case scenario is I actually have to buy points.

This Spelunky love-fest is very suspicious. Based on last week's incident it's safe to assume that half the people in the forum are employed by Mossmouth.

Originally Posted by ooga This Spelunky love-fest is very suspicious. Based on last week's incident it's safe to assume that half the people in the forum are employed by Mossmouth.

Last weeks incident? What happened?

Originally Posted by ooga This Spelunky love-fest is very suspicious. Based on last week's incident it's safe to assume that half the people in the forum are employed by Mossmouth.

He knows too much. SWARM! SWARM!

Originally Posted by ooga This Spelunky love-fest is very suspicious. Based on last week's incident it's safe to assume that half the people in the forum are employed by Mossmouth.

LOL

mossmouth = Derek Yu

Originally Posted by Blade3D Just to confirm Dragonborn will not be on sale next week as far as we know? If so, I'll get Spelunky. I guess worse case scenario is I actually have to buy points.

Can someone point out to me where it is stated that Dragonborn will not be on sale next week?

I was so pumped...

Originally Posted by ooga No

Thanks. Decided to pick up Spelunky.

Originally Posted by Shifty Effect Can someone point out to me where it is stated that Dragonborn will not be on sale next week? I was so pumped...

Major Nelson's blog. He edited the upcoming sales and removed Dragonborn from the list.

Originally Posted by Brother Daz Major Nelson's blog. He edited the upcoming sales and removed Dragonborn from the list.

Oh, I see. Another disappointing sale next week. Oh noes!

Originally Posted by The Ebbtide But they're not gamers.

Your definition was almost accurate. Gamers are those that play games. There's no "genuinely" about it.

My point is that it's not up to you or I to determine whether someone's reasons for playing games are "good enough" for them to be considered a gamer. If you play games, you're a gamer. Simple as that.

You obviously have a lot of issues with boosting. I have no problem with that, especially because as you pointed out, it can often interfere with the enjoyment of others. However, I'm confused as to why you wrote a thousand words about the evils of boosting when that had nothing to do with my point. Therefore, Lance Armstrong analogies aren't going to sway me, either, because boosting wasn't part of my argument.

My point is whether you play games to get achievements, to have fun, to escape reality, to place high on leaderboards, or whatever reason, you're a gamer.

If you need evidence of how silly the term "real gamer" is, look no further than down from your post, where someone quoted you and mentioned that *their* version of real gamer excludes anyone who doesn't "appreciate all genres". Um, what? So if I don't like RPGs or platformers, I'm not a real gamer? What about sports games? Oh, wait...it's OKAY to not like sports games, I'm sure. No problem there.

See how silly and arbitrary that is?

So, gaming because you like unlocking achievements means you're not a real gamer. What about gaming to beat your friends' scores? How is that different? What about the people who used to drop quarter after quarter into Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, or whatever else in order to get the high score? What about people who spent hundreds of hours grinding in Disgaea to max out everything? Where do we draw the line? At whatever it means to *you* to "genuinely" game?

If it makes you feel good to label people and sit in judgment over their "realness", I can't stop you from doing so and I really don't care to. I stand by my point that designating people as "real" or not according to a) why they game b) what they play or even c) how much they play is exactly the kind of exclusionary bullshit that makes this a less enjoyable hobby. That's not to mention that none of us should forget that our own personal definitions of what a "real gamer" is matter only to us, anyway.

On a side note, it's funny that we can all agree that achievements are generally worthless and only really mean something if they're earned, yet people get so upset when others unlock them through cheesy methods. I get that if it messes with online play, you can get annoyed, but as far as someone cheesing an achievement making *your* achievement mean less to you? Why would that be the case? If some dude got carried up Mt. Everest on someone else's back and then bragged about climbing it and you had climbed it legitimately, would his claim really make you feel like you accomplished less? Or would you just laugh at him and ignore him? If you get that upset about sites like True Achievements or people's inflated gamerscores, I think you may have issues of your own, my friend.

My argument was not about whether boosting was cheating, like I said before. However, I'll play ball with your Lance Armstrong analogy, because it actually helps me prove my point.

Was Lance a cheater? Yes. BUT- he was also a cyclist.

Originally Posted by kayne2000 so for me a real gamer is someone that enjoys video games of the entire spectrum. i dont mean play every type of game but has a legitament joy for them and doesn't just limit themselves to say only rock band or angry birds or something. the people that actually keep the industry alive as consumers. i realize this may not make sense entirely but it does to me. i would agree that guy chasing 1 million gamer points is NOT a real gamer and neither are the people that boost constantly and thats all they do as they have no enjoyment nor is it really possible to find enjoyment by boosting 98% of the time...yes some will say someone might enjoy it but thats really not possible. some things just are not enjoyable and represent have a deadness of soul really or emptiness inside.

I'm pretty sure that the dude who has racked up nearly a million gamerscore has bought a LOT of games. So he's obviously helping keep the industry alive. He also plays a lot of different games across all genres. So he meets two of your three criteria. See how silly and arbitrary this "real gamer" stuff is?

I think it's enough to feel superior that you're playing for "the right reasons" and those who achievement whore have a "deadness of soul". No need to decide that they don't have the right to be called gamers, despite having played thousands of games.

The casual gamer stuff you said is just terrible. It's exclusionary and unnecessary, and doesn't encourage casual gamers to become more involved in the hobby. If it makes you happy, just call them that: "casual gamer". There you have it. It's still under the umbrella of "gamer", after all. But now, they can stay in their little category, far from your category of "really real gamer who games for all the right reasons and in just the right way" and you can still feel better than them.


ON TOPIC: I wish I could join in on the Spelunky love, but I've strangely never been that into platformers. Occasionally I can get into one, but as my backlog has grown I've been less and less likely to give them a try.

That said, I'm still crossing my fingers that somebody just messed up and Dragonborn will be on sale. Though, I've already decided I'm not paying full price for any Skyrim DLC, so I'll wait it out if need be.

Originally Posted by Timediver Why are you guys arguing over achievements? Sorry, I'm new here Anyway, was just wondering when this thread would be updated. I was hoping it would have info on the next set of sales. My 2 cents regarding achievements: Boosting is fine! Who cares? It hurts no one. I can see where the guy who is against is coming from, though. I really enjoyed Warhammer 40k: Space Marine, and I wanted to show that by getting all of its achievements, but there was one ridiculous weapon mastery achievements that entailed getting dozens of multikills with some the games crappiest weapons -- and I just was not willing to invest the time in that. However, I wouldn't fault anyone who decided to boost for that or anything like it. They're only 'wasting' their own time. If they're happy to do that, I don't see why I or anyone else should give a s***. I didn't read too far back, so I'm not too sure about the 'cheating' some of you are referring to, though. Save file manipulation/hacking or whatever is a no-no imo.

I'm playing Warhammer a lot right now. 16 melta gun multi kills is not happening in normal gameplay.

Originally Posted by akathatoneguy Your definition was almost accurate. Gamers are those that play games. There's no "genuinely" about it. My point is that it's not up to you or I to determine whether someone's reasons for playing games are "good enough" for them to be considered a gamer. If you play games, you're a gamer. Simple as that. You obviously have a lot of issues with boosting. I have no problem with that, especially because as you pointed out, it can often interfere with the enjoyment of others. However, I'm confused as to why you wrote a thousand words about the evils of boosting when that had nothing to do with my point. Therefore, Lance Armstrong analogies aren't going to sway me, either, because boosting wasn't part of my argument. My point is whether you play games to get achievements, to have fun, to escape reality, to place high on leaderboards, or whatever reason, you're a gamer. If you need evidence of how silly the term "real gamer" is, look no further than down from your post, where someone quoted you and mentioned that *their* version of real gamer excludes anyone who doesn't "appreciate all genres". Um, what? So if I don't like RPGs or platformers, I'm not a real gamer? What about sports games? Oh, wait...it's OKAY to not like sports games, I'm sure. No problem there. See how silly and arbitrary that is? So, gaming because you like unlocking achievements means you're not a real gamer. What about gaming to beat your friends' scores? How is that different? What about the people who used to drop quarter after quarter into Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, or whatever else in order to get the high score? What about people who spent hundreds of hours grinding in Disgaea to max out everything? Where do we draw the line? At whatever it means to *you* to "genuinely" game? If it makes you feel good to label people and sit in judgment over their "realness", I can't stop you from doing so and I really don't care to. I stand by my point that designating people as "real" or not according to a) why they game b) what they play or even c) how much they play is exactly the kind of exclusionary bullshit that makes this a less enjoyable hobby. That's not to mention that none of us should forget that our own personal definitions of what a "real gamer" is matter only to us, anyway. On a side note, it's funny that we can all agree that achievements are generally worthless and only really mean something if they're earned, yet people get so upset when others unlock them through cheesy methods. I get that if it messes with online play, you can get annoyed, but as far as someone cheesing an achievement making *your* achievement mean less to you? Why would that be the case? If some dude got carried up Mt. Everest on someone else's back and then bragged about climbing it and you had climbed it legitimately, would his claim really make you feel like you accomplished less? Or would you just laugh at him and ignore him? If you get that upset about sites like True Achievements or people's inflated gamerscores, I think you may have issues of your own, my friend. My argument was not about whether boosting was cheating, like I said before. However, I'll play ball with your Lance Armstrong analogy, because it actually helps me prove my point. Was Lance a cheater? Yes. BUT- he was also a cyclist. I'm pretty sure that the dude who has racked up nearly a million gamerscore has bought a LOT of games. So he's obviously helping keep the industry alive. He also plays a lot of different games across all genres. So he meets two of your three criteria. See how silly and arbitrary this "real gamer" stuff is? I think it's enough to feel superior that you're playing for "the right reasons" and those who achievement whore have a "deadness of soul". No need to decide that they don't have the right to be called gamers, despite having played thousands of games. The casual gamer stuff you said is just terrible. It's exclusionary and unnecessary, and doesn't encourage casual gamers to become more involved in the hobby. If it makes you happy, just call them that: "casual gamer". There you have it. It's still under the umbrella of "gamer", after all. But now, they can stay in their little category, far from your category of "really real gamer who games for all the right reasons and in just the right way" and you can still feel better than them. ON TOPIC: I wish I could join in on the Spelunky love, but I've strangely never been that into platformers. Occasionally I can get into one, but as my backlog has grown I've been less and less likely to give them a try. That said, I'm still crossing my fingers that somebody just messed up and Dragonborn will be on sale. Though, I've already decided I'm not paying full price for any Skyrim DLC, so I'll wait it out if need be.

to achieve 1 million points is just so ridiculous on all levels. im not even sure he is still human at this point. he contributes crap to society and games all day everyday. hes the purest manchild on the planet and by extension a worthless human being who has never grown up in any area of his life. he has a true deadness of soul. as for whether this guy keeps the industry alive....its possible he buys everything brand new but its far more likely he rents games left and right. also its hard to say he truly enjoys gaming anymore at this point i mean how could he???? he doesnt play for fun he achievement hunts what fun is that 24/7??

also i said enjoys the full spectrum not neccessarly play. is he having fun???? does he appreciate the industry as well or is he enjoying is moment of fame chasing 1 million points while hating himself because he hates gaming?

my casual gamer remarks are however dead on and neccessary because those people arent really gamers and developers cater to them which is how we get so many casually aimed gimmicks in games. its how we get so many games that want to be COD for instance because casuals flock to a couple choice titles and thats it. hell just look at the wii so much freakin shovelware all in the name of grabbing the casual gamer but again casual gamers are not gamers. they buy one or two things and call it a decade yet developers bend over backwards to support them because that one item they do buy outsells everything. so damn tired of games getting neutered all to appease the casual gamer in hopes they even look at the game yet if youve met any portion of these casual gamers you will know dont even bother because in the countless ones ive met at college they can barely operate their consoles and usually at best in the groups of them as they play party games a lot there is usually one that knows how to get it all up and running. there is no love for gaming here.

and before i get blasted as that is just me....bear in mind statistical studies have been done and plastered on national ,levels with far less than what i am talking about.

Originally Posted by kayne2000 to achieve 1 million points is just so ridiculous on all levels. im not even sure he is still human at this point. he contributes crap to society and games all day everyday. hes the purest manchild on the planet and by extension a worthless human being who has never grown up in any area of his life. he has a true deadness of soul. as for whether this guy keeps the industry alive....its possible he buys everything brand new but its far more likely he rents games left and right. also its hard to say he truly enjoys gaming anymore at this point i mean how could he???? he doesnt play for fun he achievement hunts what fun is that 24/7?? also i said enjoys the full spectrum not neccessarly play. is he having fun???? does he appreciate the industry as well or is he enjoying is moment of fame chasing 1 million points while hating himself because he hates gaming? my casual gamer remarks are however dead on and neccessary because those people arent really gamers and developers cater to them which is how we get so many casually aimed gimmicks in games. its how we get so many games that want to be COD for instance because casuals flock to a couple choice titles and thats it. hell just look at the wii so much freakin shovelware all in the name of grabbing the casual gamer but again casual gamers are not gamers. they buy one or two things and call it a decade yet developers bend over backwards to support them because that one item they do buy outsells everything. so damn tired of games getting neutered all to appease the casual gamer in hopes they even look at the game yet if youve met any portion of these casual gamers you will know dont even bother because in the countless ones ive met at college they can barely operate their consoles and usually at best in the groups of them as they play party games a lot there is usually one that knows how to get it all up and running. there is no love for gaming here. and before i get blasted as that is just me....bear in mind statistical studies have been done and plastered on national ,levels with far less than what i am talking about.

I'd be pleased to read those studies. Please link them.

Ah, so it's not exclusionary and condescending to label people as "casuals" and pretend to be better than them...it's "necessary". Well then, keep fighting the good fight. Do remember though, that you place importance on supporting the industry, and I'm pretty sure those casuals are helping the industry by buying consoles, even if they are spending most of their time on CoD, Madden, or whatever else you don't consider to be a "real" game.

And regarding achievement whoring, YOU'RE the one deciding whether people are having fun?

That really shows the futility of your position better than anything I have even said. Let's end on that note.

If you like twin stick zombie shooters, I can recommend a couple XBLIG that are pretty good and worth checking out:

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Attack of the Zombie Horde

Just had a look at yugioh and the old game has automatically changed to the newer game, just downloading a 200 mb update.

Originally Posted by xbox_man Just had a look at yugioh and the old game has automatically changed to the newer game, just downloading a 200 mb update.

Yep same for me =D thought it would look more different but it's fun to get new cards and earn new recipes =)

Still playing this game but finished it achievement wise long ago....but for fun games like this I will come back any time =D

(I used to play in real tournaments back then, got in the top 10 two times (3rd and 8th place) hundreds of other players were there...fun times...)

It does get tiring see people type game X is a "must buy"...I hate platformers (although I can still pick up mario 3 and super mario world and have a good time) and spelunky is frustrating. I don't have time to game much these days so I'd rather play a stress reliever. So I don't care if spelunky is 80 points...the two times I have tried to really sit down and enjoy it I ended up exiting to the dashboard out of frustration with iffy controls.

Originally Posted by irafreak It does get tiring see people type game X is a "must buy"...I hate platformers (although I can still pick up mario 3 and super mario world and have a good time) and spelunky is frustrating. I don't have time to game much these days so I'd rather play a stress reliever. So I don't care if spelunky is 80 points...the two times I have tried to really sit down and enjoy it I ended up exiting to the dashboard out of frustration with iffy controls.

that's understandable

i think when people say must-buy like that, myself included, i think of it as a must-buy for those who are into that game, or that genre, in this case platformers/roguelikes

If I buy a game from the sales and specials app, will it show up in my history to download later if I ever delete it? I seem to recall this was an issue in the past...or maybe I'm just crazy.