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• CPU: Eight-core AMD processor running at 1.6GHz
• Graphics core: Radeon HD hardware, 18 compute units at 800MHz
• Additional hardware: GPU-like Compute module, some resources reserved by the OS
• System-on-chip codename: Liverpool
• Memory: 4GB GDDR5, 512MB reserved by the OS

Another 8 cores? I think I made the right decision going back to PC.

needs more memory

I'm hoping that they throw an SSD in there, but I know that would jack up the price significantly. I'm not really excited for the newer consoles, I'm content with my two Xbox 360's, and Metal Gear Solid Bundle PS3.

As long as its below $450 MSRP and Sony promises full PS3 backwards compatibility, I wouldn't mind getting one at launch to upgrade from my loud heat producing phat PS3.

The rumored specs sounds like a good balance of energy consumption and power. Hardware gets obsolete very fast, but a quality made and designed device will last much longer.

If Sony provides full BC and lets me use my four Dual Shock 3s, I'll toss it out there and say I'll spend 600 AGAIN. I didn't care about that price because I didn't have to hear whining kids crying and yelling on mike. That fact alone gave me huge peace of mind and I loved it.

What I didn't love was the fact that I had Heavenly Sword as my only game for three months.

Originally Posted by 8bitArtist needs more memory

Not really, top end cards today have 4GB GDDR5. The card that is supposedly in the PS4 is an underclocked 7970m. I won't pretend to understand everything I'm saying but I can tell you I looked and that card normally sold has only 2GB of GDDR5 memory.

So apparently this is a modified (underclocked but with more memory) version for the console? Again I don't really understand how it all works but those are the facts/rumors as I know. Bottom line is it's no lightweight.

512MB of that 4GB is apparently reserved for the OS meaning there's roughly 3.5gb GDDR5 (NOT the slower DDR3 memory) for the games, which again is more than enough for todays games. Also keep in mind this is a video game console and not a computer. It's focus will be on games and graphics without the fluff you get with a computer.

If I'm understanding all the rumored specs to me it seems like PS4 is going more for a graphical games standpoint while MS is going more for a complete entertainment system w/ apps and all that. Obviously both systems are trying to please everyone and neither is a slouch. We're probably going to have some great console wars in the next few years.

There's also rumors that the new controller has some biometrics and an lcd screen. Biometrics as in sensors that can tell your heart rate or your body temperature. Personally I think this is retarded and a gimmick to the extreme. I also don't need a god damn lcd screen on my controller. I hope they just make a slightly redesigned DS controller with better triggers. If they do that and make some crazy stupid controller, great. Just let me use a normal ass controller though for all games.

Umm that's not on the graphics card. That's the system memory like in your computer. Iirc both the PS3 and X360 have 1GB of ram but the PS3 reserves half to the OS currently. 4GB sounds fine to me but then again most people put in 8 gb into their system now at the minimum so hopefully if specs are true that doesn't come back to bite them in the ass like it did on the PS3.

Originally Posted by Thongsy Umm that's not on the graphics card. That's the system memory like in your computer. Iirc both the PS3 and X360 have 1GB of ram but the PS3 reserves half to the OS currently. 4GB sounds fine to me but then again most people put in 8 gb into their system now at the minimum so hopefully if specs are true that doesn't come back to bite them in the ass like it did on the PS3.

I've been reading and maybe I'm confused. GDDR5 = graphics memory based off of DDR3. That 4GB of memory is on the graphics card, it's a GPU (from the way I understand it). 512MB of that 4GB is reserved for the OS and other features. The Xbox is rumored to be 8GB DDR3 (more generalized RAM like what you're talking about) with anywhere from 1-3GB reserved for the OS. So it's 3.5GB GDDR5 vs 5-7GB DDR3 for gaming purposes.

So the PS4 has half the amount of memory, but it is a faster type of memory. The Xbox would have say an 8GB stick of memory like you buy on Amazon and the PS4 would be like if you bought a video card off of Amazon. They're built differently.

Again that's the way I'm understanding it. Not necessarily the way it is.

And I think the PS3 uses around 50MB for it's OS out of 512MB total. There is 256MB dedicated for gaming and the other 256MB can be used as needed (checked on google so don't know for sure just like everything else I said)

Originally Posted by ShockandAww I've been reading and maybe I'm confused. GDDR5 = graphics memory based off of DDR3. That 4GB of memory is on the graphics card, it's a GPU (from the way I understand it). 512MB of that 4GB is reserved for the OS and other features. The Xbox is rumored to be 8GB DDR3 (more generalized RAM like what you're talking about) with anywhere from 1-3GB reserved for the OS. So it's 3.5GB GDDR5 vs 5-7GB DDR3 for gaming purposes. So the PS4 has half the amount of memory, but it is a faster type of memory. The Xbox would have say an 8GB stick of memory like you buy on Amazon and the PS4 would be like if you bought a video card off of Amazon. They're built differently. Again that's the way I'm understanding it. Not necessarily the way it is. And I think the PS3 uses around 50MB for it's OS out of 512MB total. There is 256MB dedicated for gaming and the other 256MB can be used as needed (checked on google so don't know for sure just like everything else I said)

Yes, you're correct in your assumptions. GDDR5 is built in memory on GPUs, while DDR3 is the normal modules you install on the motherboard as system memory. Having the memory built into the GPU means faster transfer speeds.

Max transfer speeds:
GDDR5 3,500MT/s
DDR3 2,133MT/s

Originally Posted by CheapAssHustla I'm hoping that they throw an SSD in there, but I know that would jack up the price significantly. I'm not really excited for the newer consoles, I'm content with my two Xbox 360's, and Metal Gear Solid Bundle PS3.

You have 2 360s?

i have 2 ps3's along with my other current gen systems, it's not that uncommon. I said i would hold off on a ps4, but with these rising rumors....I know I won't be able to resist

Originally Posted by 8bitArtist needs more memory

Negatice. "4GB GDDR5" That's some fast memory, and if only 512MB is reserved for the OS, that's 3.5GB for games. More than enough if games will be rendered in 1080p60fps (and possibly 3D). If I read correctly, GDDR is specifically tailored for gaming performance, while DDR3 is suited for PC performance. Simply put, GDDR5 has far more bandwidth/speed versus DDR3.

Assuming Sony can pack the entire OS into 512MB (should be no problem), 3.5GB of GDDR5 memory is more than enough for games. On the PC gaming side, most 1GB cards can support 1080p, just to give you an idea of the amount of memory needed.

MY concern is the 1.6GHz clock. Yes, there are 8 cores, but I would have liked at least 1.8-2.0GHz. It may not seem like much, but at the very least, 1-2 of those cores are likely going to be reserved for OS tasks. Really excited to see what ultimately gets announced

Originally Posted by Thongsy Umm that's not on the graphics card. That's the system memory like in your computer. Iirc both the PS3 and X360 have 1GB of ram but the PS3 reserves half to the OS currently. 4GB sounds fine to me but then again most people put in 8 gb into their system now at the minimum so hopefully if specs are true that doesn't come back to bite them in the ass like it did on the PS3.

The PS3 and 360 both have 512MB MAX. The 360 uses...around 30MB maybe? I haven't seen an article lately regarding it, I'm pretty sure it's around 30MB. That leaves roughly 482MB for developers to use (plus 10MB of eDRAM). The PS3 also has 512MB, however, its memory is split into 256MB of XDR RAM for the CPU, and 256MB of GDDR3 RAM. THe OS uses around 40-45MB I believe. So 512MB for the OS on the PS4, with 3.5GB for games is more than enough.

So anyone with decent knowledge of the CELL think that the new 8 core CPU will allow PS3 backwards compatibility or possible emulation mode?

One other thing, can we get a 10x or faster Blu Ray drive please? And DS3 backwards compatibility?

I just hope they bring back the boomarang controllers. Not really, they need to get rid of those tiny controllers they have now. Unless youre a little girl they are just too small for a normal person to use comfortably.

Originally Posted by waldo21212 So anyone with decent knowledge of the CELL think that the new 8 core CPU will allow PS3 backwards compatibility or possible emulation mode? One other thing, can we get a 10x or faster Blu Ray drive please? And DS3 backwards compatibility?

Architecture is completely different...honestly, the only way Sony is giving us PS3 BC is if they include the cell and RSX OR software emulation. Secret option C could be cloud-based through Gaikai (or whatever Sony calls it). Personally, I've hoping for Gaikai. Just pop in a PS3 disc, the app will verify what game it is, and then launch it through the cloud. It's not an optimal solution if your internet goes out, or you have bandwidth caps, but it's an option?

As far as the Blu-ray drive, we need at least an 8x drive, but I'm hoping Sony are smart and include a 12x. That should provide more than enough bandwidth for loading games. A 12x blu-ray drive would deliver roughly 54MB/s. It'll still take about 19 seconds to fill 1GB of memory, but with streaming tech, I'm sure load times won't be an issue.

a report states that the Xbox 720 will have significantly more RAM. The machine will have 8Gb of RAM, with 3Gb sidelined for the operating system, apps and security.That leaves 5Gb purely for games.

im just waiting for it to be skyrim all over again.

Originally Posted by 8bitArtist a report states that the Xbox 720 will have significantly more RAM. The machine will have 8Gb of RAM, with 3Gb sidelined for the operating system, apps and security.That leaves 5Gb purely for games. im just waiting for it to be skyrim all over again.

The rumors say 4GB GDDR5 for PS4 vs 8GB DDR3 for Xbox. They are 2 different types of RAM, with GDDR5 being faster than DDR3 and made for graphics power. DDR3 is more general memory for graphics and everything else (operating system and programs/apps and such). The GDDR5 is optimized and geared toward graphical power. Again I don't know the technical difference other than to tell you the GDDR5 has more bandwidth. If you ask me exactly wtf that means, I don't know other than to tell you it does some shit faster.

Here is the best dumbed down explanation I could find, and keep in mind this is for DDR3 vs GDDR3 (which is worse/older tech than the GDDR5 that the PS4 is rumored to be using).

On the flipside the Xbox is rumored to possibly have some other type of memory to make up for the slower DDR3 RAM. So nobody really knows which is more powerful and even if we know the specs for sure people probably still wont really know exactly how things are going to turn out. Bottom line is both are going to be a big step up from what we currently have and we're going to see some awesome games.

Originally Posted by 8bitArtist a report states that the Xbox 720 will have significantly more RAM. The machine will have 8Gb of RAM, with 3Gb sidelined for the operating system, apps and security.That leaves 5Gb purely for games. im just waiting for it to be skyrim all over again.

5 gb of DDR3 ram on 360 vs. 3.5 gb of GDDR5 ram for PS4. The question is if the speed difference of the PS4 memory makes up for the 1.5 gb difference in size.