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Originally Posted by Spong When asked about possible future developmental resistance to the company's recently unveiled XNA tool suite, Moore said, "They have no choice [to support us] because they can't survive on Mahjong games shipping to 100,000 people anymore.

Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.

Oh BS. The Japanese market is so fragmented it's shrinking in real dollar/yen value. Europe and North America are growing markets, the Japanese market is contracting. Those statements were right on the money, especially his one about him seeing 15 games that "had a guy with a sword". It's just that console makers aren't supposed to say this thing to the press even if it is true.

Unfortunately the Japanese press will pick this up and Peter Moore will be portrayed as an ugly gaijin blaming the Japanese gaming industry for the failure of his product. In truth the Japanese think they own gaming, the fact that they don't anymore hasn't hit them yet. Sure, they make the PS2 and GameCube however the tilt of where sales are with Western developers. Gaming machines are no different than DVD players anymore.

Japan is sinking creatively and if you ever saw a complete PS2 or PSone list that included Japanese titles you'd have some idea of how much crap they make compared to the highlighted franchises we all know.

Originally Posted by PittsburghAfterDark Oh BS. The Japanese market is so fragmented it's shrinking in real dollar/yen value. Europe and North America are growing markets, the Japanese market is contracting. Those statements were right on the money, especially his one about him seeing 15 games that "had a guy with a sword". It's just that console makers aren't supposed to say this thing to the press even if it is true. Unfortunately the Japanese press will pick this up and Peter Moore will be portrayed as an ugly gaijin blaming the Japanese gaming industry for the failure of his product. In truth the Japanese think they own gaming, the fact that they don't anymore hasn't hit them yet. Sure, they make the PS2 and GameCube however the tilt of where sales are with Western developers. Gaming machines are no different than DVD players anymore. Japan is sinking creatively and if you ever saw a complete PS2 or PSone list that included Japanese titles you'd have some idea of how much crap they make compared to the highlighted franchises we all know.

All right. Well, welcome to America where I see 15 games that "have a guy with a gun".

Regardless of the Japanese economy - the games are still good, and games are still selling. Sure, they make some crap over there, but so do we. I really fail to see your point. Microsoft's pissed because they can't move more than 2 units a week.

Japans still in a recession thats been going on for a long time. They really need to cater to the people with the Money, mainly us. Personally I'd like the chance to play some of the Japanese only games here as demos i could download to my Xbox or something of that nature. Because honestly if the games already been made and will never see the US, what harm could letting us try them out possibly do, other than give companies an idea about what the american people want. Probably never happen.

Originally Posted by Scrubking http://www.spong.com/detail/news.asp?prid=6409 Just the M$ elitist mentality at work again.

I disagree. Moore is blunt, but he's probably also right.

This made something occur to me. You know all those really wierd, quirky, and pretty pointless games that Japan releases? I think they've been seeing this lack of creativity for some time and that's a measly effort to show that they still have it. I mean really, what developer get's successful and then makes a game about singing polar bears (I'm sure most of yall know what game I'm talking about). Before now, I'd be jealous of those really wierd, "creative" games that I'd see in the In Japan Only sections of various magazines. Now I think they're all so stupid and pointless, if you own gaming, then why the hell would you make a game about singing polar bears, or a game about rolling a ball of rubble around Earth after aliens attacked it? I mean those are just two of the many of games Japan has released like this.

I think it's about time someone stepped up. I don't support his somewhat shaky ethnic slur but Americans do have to have some pride. For how many years have we been told that other countries have better culture, cars, electronics and video games. Now even our tech jobs aren't good enough here to be shipped overseas. Its like a slap in the face!

I'm not saying Moore is right for saying that. But I am saying that it isn't 'elitist' mentality at all. It's pride in what you produce. In this case its the lone US console on the market (no Phantom doesn't count). Is it elitist to want to stand out, to have pride and want to succeed? I really don't think it is. 9/11 pride is one thing, but to have pride in your work and what you bring to the table is another.

EDIT: On a side note, do you think Japan is any different? Their market is flooded with these 'unique' games, and I wouldn't be surprised if the average gamer wanted a return to more conventional games. The grass is greener on the other side as the saying goes. I doubt their gaming market and struggles are similar to ours, albeit on a much larger scale.

Originally Posted by KaneRobot I disagree. Moore is blunt, but he's probably also right.

Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is really going to turn the Japanese around on them, especially with such honey-tongued endearments as Moore's.

I guess I stand in the minority and say without these Japanese game companies the system turns into a low end PC a la Phantom.

Thats all the Xbox seems to be to me without Japanese support so go ahead let him burn the Japanese, and see where his console sales go.

I bet none of you can name a third party game not from Japan or on the PC or derived from the PC that is totally exclusive for Xbox and is already out. It ain't gonna happen

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback I guess I stand in the minority and say without these Japanese game companies the system turns into a low end PC a la Phantom. Thats all the Xbox seems to be to me without Japanese support so go ahead let him burn the Japanese, and see where his console sales go. I bet none of you can name a third party game not from Japan or on the PC or derived from the PC that is totally exclusive for Xbox and is already out. It ain't gonna happen

Project Gotham Racing 1 and 2? Does that count?

Edit: oh, third party, whoops.

Edit 2: Quantum Redshift, Voodoo Vince, Blinx, Tao Feng...

Blinx and Grabbed by the Ghoulies. Neither are great but maybe we will see better European-developed stuff in the future.

Also the XSN games.

Also: Apex. Obi-Wan.

Originally Posted by jmcc Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft is really going to turn the Japanese around on them, especially with such honey-tongued endearments as Moore's.

Who cares? The XBox did better than most people expected even WITH crap sales in Japan. If the Japanese gaming development community wants to jump in on what likely will be "the next big thing," they'll ignore the comments and take advantage of it. Either way, MS wins.

*looking at my game library*

Brute Force
Fuzion Frenzy
Rallisport Challenge
and Halo 2 (which is coming out eventually)

Do you know anything at all about the Phantom? They don't have any support at all, no hardware, no physical media, no truth, etc etc.. I don't think the XBox, or any console or thing known to man could drop to that level, with or without Japanese support. =/

Besides, most of the PC games on the market are American... so if anything MS would buy up some of those companies for exclusive ports.

Originally Posted by KaneRobot Who cares? The XBox did better than most people expected even WITH crap sales in Japan. If the Japanese gaming development community wants to jump in on what likely will be "the next big thing," they'll ignore the comments and take advantage of it. Either way, MS wins.

Name another console maker with sustained success without strong Japanese support then.

The only American consoles that come to mind are Atari, Vectrex, Intellivision. But they survive today in various incarnations. Just because others have failed doesn't mean another can prosper... after all this is Microsoft we are talking about.

Great thread title. All hail Emperor Clobbersaurus!

Originally Posted by ElwoodCuse Great thread title. All hail Emperor Clobbersaurus!

It's from spong so I can't take credit for it - just in case.

And the M$ mentality of join us or you suck is immature and elitist.

wow, ive never been prouder to not own an xbox than i am right now

if the PS2 had online SNK games than the Xbox would have to go. AS it is it gets kept only for that reason.

Also I was talking about AAA titles. Most of those were not all that great. PGR was okay and Rallisport is on the PC. Have not played PGR2 but I will give you that one.