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Randy was one of the big guys behind the Thief legacy and now he has been fired due to dissagreeing with Warren Spector. He was one of the few people working on Thief: Deadly Shadows that actually cared about protecting the Thief legacy, and now he has been fired from his project leader postiion.

Warren Spector is indeed on a mission to dumb down games for the masses, and Randy was a casualty of his personal crusade.

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Warren Spector is a moron, and Ion Storm is seemingly cursed. To hell with them.

why does Warren Spector want so badly to become the next John Romero?

If that news wasn't bad enough take a look at what the next Deus Ex game will be called.

DEUS EX: CLAN WARS

http://games.slashdot.org/games/04/0...11&tid=212

That is one of the most flamingly gay titles I have ever heard.

I'm surprised their making a third game, after how badly DX:IW sold.

Originally Posted by Mr. Anderson I'm surprised their making a third game, after how badly DX:IW sold.

It's funny cause for some reason they think that if they continue to make games like IW, which flopped, they will somehow break through and make millions. Those people have seriously lost their minds.

Ion who?

Originally Posted by daphatty Ion who?

lol

Originally Posted by daphatty Ion who?

How could you forget the people who unleashed Daikatana upon the world?

Originally Posted by jmcc How could you forget the people who unleashed Daikatana upon the world?

that was Dallas not austin though.

i liked ion storm. deus ex and anachronox were some of my favorite games. why do good companies have to go bad?

Originally Posted by SneakyPenguin i liked ion storm. deus ex and anachronox were some of my favorite games...

I agree with that. Anachronox, it's been too long.

Wait, I thought DE:IW was supposed to be good. I played it and it was more than fairly decent. Anyway, explain more of what the guy that got fired did for the company please.

Originally Posted by XboxMaster Wait, I thought DE:IW was supposed to be good. I played it and it was more than fairly decent. Anyway, explain more of what the guy that got fired did for the company please.

Well, he'd generally come in at least fifteen minutes late, ah, he'd use the side door--that way Spector couldn't see him, heh--after that he'd sorta space out for an hour. He'd just stare at his desk, but it looked like he was working. He'd do that for probably another hour after lunch too, I'd say in a given week he'd probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.

You guys should check out the spin capaign going over at the ion storm forums.

The new ion manager, Trey, started posting and now he's got everyone eating out of his hands. They are trying SO hard to draw attention away from the Randy firing it is hilarious. In fact not long after the news one of the devs started a question thread and had plenty of time to answer questions when before he would only answer 1 or 2 per day.

They still haven't answered any questions about Randy, and they continue being vague in everything they say.

It just pisses me off that he can't take a hint. PC players do not want streamlined experiences thats a console gamers territory

I play both and there is an obvious difference between the two. Why not make a T3 for the PC market and then a console version? Ubi did it and thats why RS3 sold so well

Originally Posted by CaseyRyback Why not make a T3 for the PC market and then a console version?

Cause they are greedy bastards who have lost sight of making quality games, and only care about the bottom line.

If you actually do some research and study Warren's interviews you will see the huge difference between his philosphy then and now. It's almost like Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde

A few points.

1. There's nothing wrong with "streamlining" a gaming experience. Deus Ex 1 was needlessly complicated in parts, especially the menus (ie, the little item juggling Tetris mini-game or having to open the menu and drop the combat knife every time you looted a soldier's body.)

2. You can't blame them for developing for consoles first (or exclusively, which I predict they'll eventually do.) Consoles are easier to make a game for since you only have to program for one configuration, so costs are cut there. And it's not like consoles are a little niche market. Games like GTA3 can come out of nowhere and sell millions of copies. I'm sure Ion Storm aims for that goal.

3. They're not talking about Randy Smith because they have professionalism. I'm sure lots of people want them to air their dirty laundry, but in the world of business it's just not something you do.

Originally Posted by jmcc A few points. 1. There's nothing wrong with "streamlining" a gaming experience. Deus Ex 1 was needlessly complicated in parts, especially the menus (ie, the little item juggling Tetris mini-game or having to open the menu and drop the combat knife every time you looted a soldier's body.) 2. You can't blame them for developing for consoles first (or exclusively, which I predict they'll eventually do.) Consoles are easier to make a game for since you only have to program for one configuration, so costs are cut there. And it's not like consoles are a little niche market. Games like GTA3 can come out of nowhere and sell millions of copies. I'm sure Ion Storm aims for that goal. 3. They're not talking about Randy Smith because they have professionalism. I'm sure lots of people want them to air their dirty laundry, but in the world of business it's just not something you do.

1. Complexity is a good thing because it usually means more gaming options. People tend to incorreclty equate complexity with difficulty - those two things are not the same. Would you rather have a simple options menu with 3 configurable items or a complex options menu with many configurable items? Deus Ex was an intelligent game for intelligent gamers - if someone couldn't handle the easy inventory system then they probably shouldn't have been playing it in the first place. The knife issue was a design flaw that had nothing to do with the inventory system.

2. Console gamers are not idiots. They don't need special ed treatment when making a game for them. So the whole "streamlinging is good" argument is pointless. If ISA wants to make easy dumbed down games fine, but they should not have tried to turn an intelligent series into a dumb one. If you are a console gamer you should be angry at the fact that ISA thinks you are an idiot and can't handle an intelligent complex game. Even worse they didn't even bother to make the pc version of IW pc friendly - that speaks volumes about their quality ethic.

3. There is a difference between wanting gossip and wanting to hear a decent non-spun explanation for what happened with Randy. Randy Smith practically IS Thief, and to fire him only shows how little ISA cares for the games legacy and fanbase. What truly is unprofesional is taking a quality series such as Thief and turning it into baby food in hopes of getting some more money.

ISA's new philosophy has already failed with Invisible War so people can defend it all they want, but it's still a failure. And I am sure it will continue to fail as long as they keep sacrificing quality in hopes of striking it rich.

soo, who here thinks warren spector has been killed and his position taken over by an evil robot that hates games?