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I don't know what do you guys thing back when VF 1 and Tekken first came out? To me they just blowed. The gameplay itself didn't have much depth to it. I never really started playing Tekken until Tekken 3 came out. As of at the time there were other great 2d fighers like Street Fighter Alpha and MK 2 out so the first generation of 3d fighting game was somewhat overlooked.

VF was fun. I don't really like fighters, though. Melee surpasses all ;-)

Yea I just got a Saturn and the level of depth is still there in VF. I have always been a VF fan. but never owned any of the console games until recently( mainly played in the Arcades up through 3, although I am not all that big on 3)

I had trouble getting past playing with block people. I did play VF a couple of times in the arcade, but I didn't really get on board until VF2, which I absolutely loved even though the characters were still blocky. I don't think either of the arcades near my college had tekken, but I remember spending a lot of money on Souledge when that came out towards the end of college.

I loved Tekken 2 and I never even owned the game. But I played the hell out of the demo that I had. Jun vs. Lei. I like 3D fighters a lot though, as well as the old 2D ones, Mortal Kombat especially. My favorite 3D one though is Dead or Alive on Dreamcast.

Battle arena toshiden was a good game for its time

Originally Posted by SolinariDotCom Melee surpasses all ;-)

word.

I couldn't understand the big deal about VF when it was in the arcades. I played it a few times but it never grabbed me.

I did get Tekken when it came out on the PSOne. I thought it was head and shoulders above VF.

And Battle Arena Toshinden was awesome. Too bad Takara decided to just phone in the rest of the series.

Originally Posted by Battousai1002 word.

I'm a big fan of fighting games myself, I don't see how you guys call a Melee a fighting game more of a party beat-em up IMO.

it takes a lot of skill to be good at Melee. That is why I consider it a fighter. I think I put in well over 400 hours into that game. I had nearly every trophy until I lost my memory card

I got into 3D fighters with Soul Blade, which was my favorite fighter and i played it all the time, until Soul Calibur came out that is, but i also had a saturn and loved Virtua Fgither, but then again i love all fighting games, Fighting Vipers? I remember that game and i loved it, i haven't played it in ages though so for i remember it is probably horrible.

Originally Posted by xzafixz I got into 3D fighters with Soul Blade, which was my favorite fighter and i played it all the time, until Soul Calibur came out that is, but i also had a saturn and loved Virtua Fgither, but then again i love all fighting games, Fighting Vipers? I remember that game and i loved it, i haven't played it in ages though so for i remember it is probably horrible.

I found that series quite fun also since you can break off their armor and clothing. Fighting Vipers 2 also came out for the dreamcast btw.

I didn't get into 3D fighter until Tekken 2, and even then I never started taking them seriously until Fighters Destiny. Great game despite having genric as hell characters.

2D fighters still better than 3D fighters

Originally Posted by DenisDFat 2D fighters still better than 3D fighters

true. I still like VF and SC though. Tekken is meh

Originally Posted by DenisDFat 2D fighters still better than 3D fighters

i agree more than i ever have. im furious the next king of fighters is 3d. snk was 2d forever.

Originally Posted by SneakyPenguin i agree more than i ever have. im furious the next king of fighters is 3d. snk was 2d forever.

its not like they never have tried 3D before(Hyper 64 boards,FF: Wild Ambition), and many believe the only reason they are making a 3D game is so they can release the 2D ports onto the PS2(SCEA is to blame more than anyone)

I like more 2d fighting games than 3d, but soul calibur is definitely on the top of my list. For recent games, my order of preference goes something like...

Soul Calibur 2
Guilty Gear X2
Marvel vs. Capcom 2
Capcom vs. SNK 2
Tekken 4

I don't play Virtua Fighter only because I know no one else that does. If any of my friends would play it, I would pick it up. Fighting games are no fun without competition.

Originally Posted by Mishimaryu I'm a big fan of fighting games myself, I don't see how you guys call a Melee a fighting game more of a party beat-em up IMO.

At first (or second, or third perhaps) glance, Melee is a party game. I would have agreed with you had you asked me two years ago only months after I first got it.

To get to the serious setting, you must eliminate some chaos factor - but not all, really.

A) Four player goes right out the window.
B) Get rid of stages like POkefloats, etc (anything that's random or moves too erradicly)
C) Items. Either turn them off or severely limit (no hearts, tomatoes, hammers, IE: Extremely random stuff that can completely turn the battle).

This isn't to say that you should only play on Final Destination or something - but the game really shows a different side when you take this in to consideration. That's one of hte things that's great about Melee. I can go to a tournament and competitively play a serious match - or I can fire up four player with some friends and have a fun-filled brawl. It's diverse, it's chaotic, but it can be very serious.

At first glance, outsiders might see Fox and Falco and consider them clones. It's true to a respect. Then you examine the details. Several of Falco's moves, while being the same, cause characters to react differently (his shine, down air, etc). His recovery is also weaker in addition to him being able to jump further. While they both have lasers.. Fox's can shoot faster, which a newbie would consider an advantage - but though Falco's is slow, it causes knockback which can be infinitely more useful. This means you can't play Falco and Fox the same way (you "can", but you know what I'm saying). The subtle differences actually.. make a difference. Someone who isn't good at the game and doesn't care to become good may not ever notice or understand the differences.

Smash Brothers also features the absolute absence of pre-set button combos. While there are only two "attack" buttons - they have different effects based on the directional influence of the stick (plus smash attacks), thus creating a varied amount of abilities and control with a limited, simple, and easy to use control setup.

But back to the combos. The lack of focus on pre-set combos gives freedom to the player. Button mashers don't win against a skilled Melee player. Period. It's not a feasible tactic in Smash Bros.

The more I play Melee, the less I believe in standard/traditional fighters - be they 2D or 3D in perspective. The more I believe they're battered and broken.

Melee has a surprising amount of depth and speed - you just have to look.

I loved Soul Blade and SF EX+A, liked Toshinden and Tobal, sort of tolerated DoA. I only got into Tekken with T3. As for VF and Melee, I never got into them period.