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Originally Posted by mykevermin Now, punk rock? That's a whole other story. Despite my music collection, I'm totally sour on punk rock right now as a meaningful genre. Could be that I listed to "Stations of the Crass" for the first time in roughly 8 years yesterday, and found the album to be as poignant as the first time I heard it. Could just be that I'm bitter.

You're just bitter. As much as I enjoyed my time with Hardcore, I have to say after awhile it gets real old listening to kids who don't know a ing thing about anything bitching, preaching and pontificating like they had all the answers in the book. It does get old. I mean, hell, at least it was funny when the straight-edgers and the skins would mix it up.....

I believe Lemmy said it best: Punk was being angry and Politcal...Metal was being angry just for s sake

Could be that I'm waiting for the next big rebellion to occur, and really anticipating what it's going to look like. I don't think filthy 60's hippies and liberals could have seen the punk rebellion of the following decades, and both subcultures are 100% underwritten and commodified by the capitalist interests. Due to capitalist acquisition and market saturation, a kid in stretch jeans with a bullet belt and blue hair just ain't dangerous anymore, y'know? It's passe.

Hate to break it to you, but white folks ain't dangerous anymore...now we're all afraid of guys in turbans wearing balaclavas.....your average white guy with a guitar and a mohawk is just putting on a uniform to say "Hey, lookit me!".
Mohawks and longhairs do not intimidation make anymore.

Way OT, and that seems to be my m.o. for this thread, but I'm looking forward to the next wave of rebellious subculture. I hope the music is good, because kids these days have squandered the current political climate. The Reagan years were perfect for punk rock and hardcore (and metal, in the case of Megadeth and others); I'm amazed that the Bush years haven't been thrown back in the same style.

They have, the problem is back then you had three outlets for music:
1) The local college station that might play some of this stuff
2) The odd show on late night cable that broke acts that MTV would never even put on their radar (Night Flight on USA Network, other regional shows like New Wave Theatre in LA)
3) The local "Scene"..word of mouth....

Today....man you get four guys together in their basement with a ing Mac and next thing you know they've got some gay MySpace page, they've got an online store to order their Hoodies and T-Shirts......its instant over-exposure and commercialisim.

Plus...I'm at the age where I'm not interested in what some 17 year old angry dude has to bitch about. Homework? STFU. Your girlfriend left you? STFU. You don't like the war? Gee you think? STFU..

The punk I wanna hear is the punk that tells 17 year old kids who are trying to start up bands to STFU cuz nobody cares...and its all been said before by better bands

The Ultimate Punk Song = Silence. Now thats punk.

OH yeah...hip hop? Hip Hop is the new Disco. Its Urban Pop music that has run its course and is now just feeding on itself until something else comes along. The problem is that HipHop Culture apparrantly doesn't have anything else to offer right now, so Hip Hop is it. You wont see the homies rushing out to pick up JPop CD's.......so we'll get the endless stream of "I come from da Streez, I gots a platinum grill and I roll on 22's" copycat artists.
Which I always found laughable..I mean...I dunno who really thinks the smart move when you get out of the ghetto and make it big as a rap star is to buy platinum in teeth

But musically? Whats the message........same old shit. I mean, nobody wants to hear people sing about their grocery bill, or the size of the lobster they had for dinner (well, unless you're Weird Al cuz thats the kind of fodder he excels at)....so what are we left with? The same messages over and over. The Punks scream and play 3 chord guitar, the homies put hydraulic shocks on their cars and talk over beats they stole from the guy whos album came out the month before......metal keeps singing about Evil and Death and Satan and old Camaros......and the world keeps on turning.

Just pray to ing christ the next "rebellious" youth movement doesn't involve any more metrosexual guys and girls with acoustic guitars, or the return of the dreaded 4-man a-capella group. :P

Originally Posted by HeadRusch OH yeah...hip hop? Hip Hop is the new Disco. Its Black Pop music that has run its course and is now just feeding on itself until something else comes along. The problem is that Black Culture apparrantly doesn't have anything else to offer right now, so Hip Hop is it. You wont see the homies rushing out to pick up JPop CD's.......so we'll get the endless stream of "I come from da Streez, I gots a platinum grill and I roll on 22's" copycat artists. Which I always found laughable..I mean...I guess only the brothers think that the smart thing to do when you get out of the ghetto is to buy platinum in teeth

Er......

I sense a war brewing between the Metal and Hip-Hop topics

Originally Posted by Mr. Anderson Er......

Thanks,

I re-read my comment and didn't like the way I put it.... in hindsight a little racist, and thats not what I was after, it was supposed to comment on Hip Hop culture, not black culture. My apologies to anyone who was offended. I've adjusted my post.

To me, Hip Hop is in a circle pattern right now......like the way Hair Metal was in 1990....same songs, same message, same longhairs, interchangable and disposable bands that all sounded the same.

Originally Posted by HeadRusch You're just bitter. As much as I enjoyed my time with Hardcore, I have to say after awhile it gets real old listening to kids who don't know a ing thing about anything bitching, preaching and pontificating like they had all the answers in the book. It does get old. I mean, hell, at least it was funny when the straight-edgers and the skins would mix it up.....

I may be bitter, but you followed up pointing that out by more or less reiterating what I just said.

Hate to break it to you, but white folks ain't dangerous anymore...now we're all afraid of guys in turbans wearing balaclavas.....your average white guy with a guitar and a mohawk is just putting on a uniform to say "Hey, lookit me!". Mohawks and longhairs do not intimidation make anymore.

I think you seriously underestimate how innovative people can be when participating in or creating a subculture. Personally, I'm scared to death of a generation of kids like Alex P Keaton.

And wait until another "West Memphis 3" tragedy happens again (not dealing with the innocence of the guys, but more the presumption of guilt based upon looking a certain way). Generalizations about gamers come up every now and then (thanks, Jack Thomson). Columbine led to generalizations about fruitbat kids, their trenchcoats, and Marilyn Manson fans. Is it "dangerous"? Generally speaking, no. For fleeting moments, however, it can come back that way.

DEATH! (wish I could find a copy of this on vhs)

Originally Posted by MorbidAngel4Life I sense a war brewing between the Metal and Hip-Hop topics

Believe me...I'm tempted to start a war . Unlike George Bush, I don't rush into things though.

God Swarrrm is amazing. Anyone that's a fan of hyper fast insane grindcore would do well to check them out. Vocalist seriously sounds like he's having a psychotic break.

I've been listening to old-school Ronnie James Dio Black Sabbath lately. I actually bought the new compilation with the three extra tracks off of amazon today. I have Heaven & Hell on CD. I lent out my Mob Rules tape years ago but never got it back.

Originally Posted by Xevious I've been listening to old-school Ronnie James Dio Black Sabbath lately. I actually bought the new compilation with the three extra tracks off of amazon today. I have Heaven & Hell on CD. I lent out my Mob Rules tape years ago but never got it back.

Heaven Hell is better IMO. That album is amazing man. I love that album. Mob Rules is decent but I can't get into it as much.

Have you guys seen this?

http://www.theironmaidens.com/

An all-girl Iron Maiden Tribute band

New King Diamond song off the upcoming album is up online to download.
http://www.covenworldwide.org/articles.php?id=94

The new King Diamond track sounds pretty average. I'm more excited about the new Nile, Obituary, Malevolent Creation, and Evile albums coming out this summer. What do you guys think? And, is there any other new metal albums coming out this summer that's worth a listen?
Tankard - The Morning After

Tankard, heh. I found a couple of their cassettes in the discount rack at Turtles. Fun stupid stuff.

Thats not a bad KD track....I appreciate a straight-up metal track than the change-up tempo stuff he does sometimes. If anything the chorus sounds almost "Commercial"

And I'm diggin on that Iron Maidens stuff. I dont care for the lead singer on the demo tracks but the live videos show she works well......

I dig this...I started reading this thread, which caused me to start listening to Headbangers Ball on MTV2, then grabbing some stuff online.....now I feel like I'm back in touch with metal. After like 12 years I finally have some new music to listen to that doesn't suck dick. :P

Originally Posted by Blackout542 Heaven Hell is better IMO. That album is amazing man. I love that album. Mob Rules is decent but I can't get into it as much.

I respectfully disagree

Heaven and Hell has like 3 standout tunes on it, if you ask me:
Neon Knights, Heaven and Hell...and the best track on the whole disc,
Children Of The Sea.

But the recording isn't great....Iommi's guitars are muted. Hearing those songs live almost caved in my chest, it was like "Why WHY didn't they record them this heavy in the studio!!".

Mob Rules sounds *much* harder, the guitars are more pronounced...its also got a few more tracks on there that, I think, sound a little better than whats on Heaven and Hell...those being Falling Off The Edge Of The World, Turn Up The Night, Mob Rules (of course), Country Girl, Sign of the Southern Cross....

And just since we're comparing, Computer God is a fantastic song off Dehumanizer

Originally Posted by CrimGhost New King Diamond song off the upcoming album is up online to download. http://www.covenworldwide.org/articles.php?id=94 The new King Diamond track sounds pretty average. I'm more excited about the new Nile, Obituary, Malevolent Creation, and Evile albums coming out this summer. What do you guys think? And, is there any other new metal albums coming out this summer that's worth a listen? Tankard - The Morning After Awesome band...to get drunk to.

I'm pretty pumped for the new Nile album.

Haha awesome video SneakyPenguin. I've been listening to a lot of grind lately, mostly Exhumed and Gut.

Ok the new King Diamond album got leaked, it's radio promo version. The whole thing is pretty decent, but nothing too new from the King. So if you like King Diamond, you'll love it. Also the Nile e-card for the upcoming album Ithyphallic is online. Can't wait for this album, along with the new Malevolent Creation and Obituary album.
http://www.nuclearblast.de/events/nile/index.html

Going to see Necrophagist and Decapitated in July, should be awesome. Now for a classic video.

King Diamond pics without his makeup