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Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D all you Metallica haters. They can do no wrong. Their legendary status is already set in stone and absolutly NOTHING they do can change that.

Can and did.

On that note, I hope you don't grow up to live with an abusive spouse. "He's a good man, he didn't mean to run over me with the pickup truck" and all that.

Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D all you Metallica haters. They can do no wrong. Their legendary status is already set in stone and absolutly NOTHING they do can change that.

Well aren't you a poser?

HeyMetallica always have said, we play what we want, and if you dont like it, thats your problem... And thats why they never are going to stop playing... Even if everyone starts to hate them, they will still continue playing, becouse they are playing for there own sake... Not the fans... But that doesnt mean that they dont care about their fans, becouse they do.. But they will NEVER let the fans decide what to play...
But yes, they started making videos and shit for the mtv... And I dont really know why they did/do that! Becouse James himself said that there was no fun in making a video, just the same shit all day long... But hey, i dont care! As long as they´re playing the old shit live! I´m glad! And they proved that in the 03-04 tour with playing lots of songs that haven´t been played for YEARS! Like Metal Militia, Leper Messiah, Trapped under ice, The Unforgiven, Dyers eve etc.

I need to quote Newstead from VH1 Behind the music..

"Yes we sell out...Every seat in the house"

Don't get me wrong, I love the way the band used to be, but I also respect the changes THEY feel they had to go through. I respect each album for what it is.

Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D HeyMetallica always have said, we play what we want, and if you dont like it, thats your problem...

Simon and Garfunkel subscribed to the same mentality. Are they kings of metal?

And thats why they never are going to stop playing... Even if everyone starts to hate them, they will still continue playing, becouse they are playing for there own sake... Not the fans...

The same can be said of thousands of hillbilly bar bands. Does that make them kings of metal, too?

But that doesnt mean that they dont care about their fans, becouse they do.. But they will NEVER let the fans decide what to play...

Quoted for posterity. We'll come back to that in a moment.

But yes, they started making videos and shit for the mtv... And I dont really know why they did/do that! Becouse James himself said that there was no fun in making a video, just the same shit all day long...

If you think a music video is what people don't like them for, you're as dense as your typing is dreadfully indecipherable. Jesus, kid, go watch VH1 Classic's "The Alternative" for one episode. I'd have to give up all my new wave albums if that were the criteria for whatever standard they've given up.

But hey, i dont care! As long as they´re playing the old shit live! I´m glad! And they proved that in the 03-04 tour with playing lots of songs that haven´t been played for YEARS! Like Metal Militia, Leper Messiah, Trapped under ice, The Unforgiven, Dyers eve etc.

Good for you. I'll keep my $70. Besides, I went to one Metallica show, in 1992, and I got to see Danzig and Suicidal Tendencies. In addition, one mouthbreather in the pit was paralyzed at the show, so I'd call that a complete night. I don't need to see them again, nor do I want to.

Of course, keep that last point (they've changed their set list) in line with your contention that they play for themselves and don't change the set list for the fans.

Look, Metallica sucks. St. Anger was a 70 minute seizure that happened over the world's loudest snare drum. It was, hands down, some of the worst mixing/postproduction I think I've ever heard on a record that was professionally produced. Neil Diamond cover band albums get better mixing than that.

I don't know much about Load, Reload, or "S&M." The singles I heard were dogshit, and if you think that's worthwhile metal, then please allow me to sell you all my "Raven" and "Hanoi Rocks" lps.

I can accept that some of their recordings not only set the standard for later metal, but stand up to albums released today. If you think I'm going to extend them the courtesy of not only forgiving them for their later albums, much less embrace them for putting together contemporary classics, then you just don't much like to use that brain, do you?

Let me put it to you this way: do you cheer or praise an infant that has managed to tie their shoes successfully? Do you cheer or praise an adult for doing so? That's the way I look at Metallica: tying their shoes. They're doing the bare minimum to stay in the mainstream, to put out another record and get millions of hee-haws and their Hulk Hogan moustaches to buy some "Kick-ass" metal music to occupy their cd player while they wait for some bullshit Hank Williams Jr. album to come out. I recognize their talent as songwriters and musicians. I will not condescend to applauding them for doing the bare minimum.

I do admit that their recent documentary was supposed to be good. I would like to see it.

Hey what the ever you dont have to be a dick. Your not my mommie. I happen to think thet while they arent metal any more they are still music makers and damn fine ones at that. And again their legend is already set in stone no matter what they do. They have their seats reserved in metal heaven with all the other greats.

Yep, their legend is set in stone. As one of few bands who have widely sued and spoken out against their own fans. Not a great way to make your mark in history.
I like Metallica's old stuff. I started not liking their music as much right around 'And Justice for All', and honestly, that might have been the music, or it might have been my tastes changing. But I lost a lot of respect for them as a band after all that sue-the-downloaders stuff happened. The legality and morality of downloading mp3s can be debated, and certainly certain download methods are clearly illegal, and I don't think fans are 'entitled' to an artist's work for free, but Metallica handled it incredibly wrongly.

Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D HeyMetallica always have said, we play what we want, and if you dont like it, thats your problem... And thats why they never are going to stop playing... Even if everyone starts to hate them, they will still continue playing, becouse they are playing for there own sake... Not the fans... But that doesnt mean that they dont care about their fans, becouse they do.. But they will NEVER let the fans decide what to play... But yes, they started making videos and shit for the mtv... And I dont really know why they did/do that! Becouse James himself said that there was no fun in making a video, just the same shit all day long... But hey, i dont care! As long as they´re playing the old shit live! I´m glad! And they proved that in the 03-04 tour with playing lots of songs that haven´t been played for YEARS! Like Metal Militia, Leper Messiah, Trapped under ice, The Unforgiven, Dyers eve etc.

Actually, they seem to play wahtever is popular at the time nowadays, ie grunge then nu-metal.

Originally Posted by mykevermin I got to see Danzig and Suicidal Tendencies.

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Originally Posted by mykevermin Look, Metallica sucks. St. Anger was a 70 minute seizure that happened over the world's loudest snare drum. It was, hands down, some of the worst mixing/postproduction I think I've ever heard on a record that was professionally produced. Neil Diamond cover band albums get better mixing than that.

I thought St.Anger sounded like the demoes a band makes months before it goes into the studio. The songs had a somewhat Sabbath feel to them, and a few riffs and melodies here and there were interesting. But the final product sucks ass. I was actually really into the first couple times I heard it, though, but that was really only the shock of hearing Metallica play something remotely heavy.

Originally Posted by mykevermin I don't know much about Load, Reload, or "S&M." The singles I heard were dogshit, and if you think that's worthwhile metal, then please allow me to sell you all my "Raven" and "Hanoi Rocks" lps.

To be honest, I do enjoy the Loads on some level. There's actually one decent album in between them.

Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D Hey what the ever you dont have to be a dick.

Just to be clear, your first post in this thread:

Originally Posted by Vampire Hunter D all you Metallica haters

I play quid-pro-quo, kiddo. I said "good for you" when you claimed to not care about other people's opinions, but get awfully defensive of people slagging on Metallica. To be clear, you're welcome to like what you like, and that includes those "Creed" albums in your collection. I'm merely pointing out that Metallica has become a dreadful band over the years *not* because their albums are bad, per se, but because compared to their early body of work, there's no dispute over the fact that they *should* be playing much better music.

I guess we are in a stalemate then. Reps vs Dems, Coke vs Pepsi, i aint changin my views and you aint changin yours.

I like to add my 2 cents in the mix.

I grew up with Metalica. I saw them on the Master of Puppets tour (when they opened for Ozzy) and I saw them several times before the black album.

I can say is their 80's Cliff Burton shit are undisputed metal classics. I also liked the first Garage days ep as well as 'And Justice for All'.

When the Black Album came out, I was really disapointed. It was much more commercial than the other albums and I was pissed off. A few years have passed by and I soften my stance on that record. Now I actually enjoy it but I prefer the older albums in comparison.

As for load, re-load, St. Anger and S&M (the latter 2 were interesting experiments) are all misfires. I dont hate Metalica though. Those albums are not bad per se, they are just mediocre. They dont outright suck...they are just middle of the road.

I think Metallica is still a great band but they are out-of-focus right now. Hopefully Rick Rubin will set them straight. I still have hope that they still have one great thrash record in them. I still have faith.

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I would not be a Metallica fan without TBA though. Many people wouldnt be. Probably not without the Loads either. Now yes they strayed VERY far away from Metal music but like they said it was just somethin different. And even though i also perfer their old stuff i still really enjoy their new stuff. Its not metal but it still is great music. Yeah its awesome to ponder "what if" but thats not the case.

Originally Posted by mykevermin I'm merely pointing out that Metallica has become a dreadful band over the years *not* because their albums are bad, per se, but because compared to their early body of work, there's no dispute over the fact that they *should* be playing much better music.

They are "dreadful" because they're not as good as they used to be? Even though their albums aren't bad? That is a weird stance IMO. Are you just saying they failed to live up to their own standards, even though they are still better than many other bands?

Anyway, for what it's worth, I thought the production of St Anger really really ruined it (wtf did bob rock do to the drums?). Hopefully Rubin will produce a good album.

No, Metallica's albums since TBA are genuinely crap.

Originally Posted by evanft No, Metallica's albums since TBA are genuinely crap.

Actually I did like "Garage Days Re-Visted".

No, Metallica's albums since TBA are genuinely awesome.

Originally Posted by Backlash They are "dreadful" because they're not as good as they used to be? Even though their albums aren't bad? That is a weird stance IMO. Are you just saying they failed to live up to their own standards, even though they are still better than many other bands?

It's pretty contingent. It's like being a straight A student who finally gets a B; while you're still doing stellar work, it's hard to not be disappointed. I respect it because while it's good songwriting, it does nothing for me. I don't think it's metal, and I don't think it's good rock; that doesn't mean that I think it's poor songwriting.

Anyway, for what it's worth, I thought the production of St Anger really really ruined it (wtf did bob rock do to the drums?). Hopefully Rubin will produce a good album.

Rubin, to the best of my knowledge, has never produced a bad album, or even a mediocre one. He's a in' genius.

Originally Posted by evanft No, Metallica's albums since TBA are genuinely crap.

Agreed. In fact, I stopped listening to them entirely for a long time, and then heard a song off of Kill 'em All a few weeks ago, and was blown away by the fact that they were so good back then; I'd completely forgotten, it had been so long.

Originally Posted by Xevious Actually I did like "Garage Days Re-Visted".

I didn't count it because it was a covers album. The second disc is better than thef irst disc, though, as it's a collection of covers from their entire career.