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Originally Posted by evilmojo12542 suprise suprise broc got punked out

I suggest you actually watch the fight in question, or at least read the results before giving your opinion. Lesnar absolutely dominated that fight, made a small mistake that stopped him from winning, dominated some more then mad a nother small mistake that cost him the fight.

Honestly, Brock in the UFC pretty much pushed me over the edge into a UFC fan (I wouldn't say MMA fan just yet, because UFC is my only exposure to the sport thus far).

Originally Posted by guyver2077 he ed up when he got in that sharpshooter position

He looked like he had no idea how to react. He stalled and Mir capitalized on that.

Don't forget that this was Lesnar's 2nd MMA fight and against the former UFC heavyweight champion. He looked pretty good until the end. It seemed like he was going to get caught in an armbar a couple of times.

I think that the ref should have given Lesnar a warning for the punch to the back of the head. You can see that Mir turns his head as he sees that the punch is coming. If Brock Lesnar keeps training, he will be very good. He is extremely agile for a big man.

While I'm not jumping on the Brock bandwagon yet. I was impressed with Lesnar's power and speed. The man has only had one MMA fight before UFC 81 and that was vs a can. Lesnar needs the Roger Huerta treatment - build the man up slowly. UFC's biggest downside is its so stacked with talent its hard to build up fighters skills.

Also huge props to Big Nog for being the first fighter to hold belts in Pride and the UFC.

Originally Posted by Brak If Lesnar hadn't have hammered down on the back of Mir's head, I think he would have won.

He hit the back of Mir's head cause Mir was turtling and turning away. While I understand its illegal to hit the back of a opponates head, not really Lesnar's fault when he is aiming for Mir's face and Frank turns away.

Originally Posted by KaneRobot So.... Lesnar got caught, just like everyone and their mother predicted. Until he made that rookie-looking mistake though, he looked ing unstoppable. If he gets his submission counters down, he's going to be a killer. That stoppage for a punch to the back of the head seemed a tad arbirtrary...we've seen people warned before rather than an immediate stoppage.

I don't think it was arbitrary at all. I think the refs have to consider who is doing the pounding. If it is a little 150 lb. guy, a couple of quick hits to the back of the head isn't a big deal. If you have arguably the biggest and strongest man in UFC history, on the other hand, punching down with ful force on the back of a guy's head that is pinned to the mat, it has to end immediately and you have to take measures to ensure it doesn't happen again.

I mean, Brock was unleashed for like 30 seconds before Mir looked like someone had been beating him in the face with an ugly stick for hours.

That being said, I do agree that Mir turned into (or away from) that punch in the middle of Brock's swing. But with a guy like Brock, we're talking about someone's life being at stake.

But I do want to make it known that I have hated Brock for a long time. I hated him at the end of his WWE tenure, I hated him when he decided to shaft the fans, I hated him when he tried the football route, I hated him when he started talking tough about trying MMA, I hated him last year when he had his first match and I hated him when he was going into this match at UFC 81. That's a lot of hate. I was hoping that Mir would tear him apart to the point that he could no longer be an athlete and popping up into my forms of entertainment. But after watching this match, I can see that for once he has really tried to discipline himself. I gained a lot of respect for what he was doing as I watched him fight. And then when I saw his behavior and the way he spoke after his loss, I gained a lot of respect for him personally. I am excited to see what Lesnar can become in the UFC.

Too bad he was a total noob against one of the greatest fighters UFC has seen. But he still almost owned Mir until he gave his leg up for one split second.

Brock Lesnar was completely dominating Mir until the split. I found that to be a very suspicious split, I've been watching MMA for 15 years and I've never seen a split like that. Much less a point deduction, in the UFC,, for ONE contestable mistaken hit nonetheless.

I watched this fight on PPV in HD, DVRed it and watched it back several times. To me, it looks as though Brock was specifically trying not to hit the back of Mirs head. Stopping himself from hitting when he thought Mir was turned to far away. But Mir was turning to and fro, I think he was waiting for that single hit to get the fight separated and him off.

That said, Lesanr did get caught by a pretty rudimentary ankle-lock. Though being on a major card like that with such relative inexperience; I don't care how much experience he has w/ crowds and competition; He was nervous. And that can make you do stupid things.

All things considered, it was a decent fight despite its length. But I think Brock needs to come to terms with being punched in the face more, since I feel he'd do better at standing and banging & using his wrestling to defend takedowns. Then GnP when his opponents are tired.

Kimbo Slice is fighting Tank tomorrow, what it do?!

Originally Posted by zewone Kimbo Slice is fighting Tank tomorrow, what it do?!

Thompson will be fighting tomorrow too.

awesome match.. kimbo straight wooped tank abbot ...

305!

Originally Posted by TURBO Thompson will be fighting tomorrow too.

Thompson's fights are always exciting, but that's because the big dumb oaf always storms into his opponents and always ends up getting KOed. The guy can't take a punch and is a walking knockout waiting to happen.

The funniest fight I've seen him in was him against Alexsander Emelianenko in his first fight in PRIDE. Alexs was standing around looking indifferent with Thompson in the other corner about to explode with pure energy. Thompson comes storming in right as the fight starts and nearly knocks Alexs down, but then proceeds to eat about four precise punches to the head and is flopping around all over the place. Classic.

Congrats to Elite XC for actually making it seem like Tank Abbot was a formidable opponent. I will say that Kimbo Slice is a bad motherer, but I'm anxious to see how he does against an opponent that has some real MMA skills.

well i think they were saying yesterday that his next opponent could be the winner for ken shamrock vs (dont know)

I'd like to see Kimbo vs. Paul "Don't Fear Me, Fear The Consequences" Buentello. He's a great striker and could give Kimbo a run.

Originally Posted by MorPhiend I think the refs have to consider who is doing the pounding.

So basically, you're asking that the refs not look at it evenly and favor one of the two fighters.

I don't buy it. We've seen from both this fight and the Sylvia - Couture fight that the "little guy" is perfectly capable of handling themselves. They're in the same weight class - that's enough.



They need to keep feeding Kimbo washed up chumps and nobodies until he has more training under his belt...then by the time he finally fights someone who won't collapse like a house of cards, he'll have more than a miniscule chance.

Originally Posted by TURBO Brock Lesnar was completely dominating Mir until the split. I found that to be a very suspicious split, I've been watching MMA for 15 years and I've never seen a split like that. Much less a point deduction, in the UFC,, for ONE contestable mistaken hit nonetheless. I watched this fight on PPV in HD, DVRed it and watched it back several times. To me, it looks as though Brock was specifically trying not to hit the back of Mirs head. Stopping himself from hitting when he thought Mir was turned to far away. But Mir was turning to and fro, I think he was waiting for that single hit to get the fight separated and him off. That said, Lesanr did get caught by a pretty rudimentary ankle-lock. Though being on a major card like that with such relative inexperience; I don't care how much experience he has w/ crowds and competition; He was nervous. And that can make you do stupid things. All things considered, it was a decent fight despite its length. But I think Brock needs to come to terms with being punched in the face more, since I feel he'd do better at standing and banging & using his wrestling to defend takedowns. Then GnP when his opponents are tired.

Mazzagatti already said that he warned Lesnar before he split them and deducted a point. Moreover, because it was an illegal blow, it was right to allow Mir time to recover and start them standing up. That's just how things work in MMA.

Lesnar is going to be a force in MMA, and I think his next fight should be against Sylvia. It would definitely test his stand up, and it'd be fun to see how Sylvia fairs against someone much stronger than him.

So, uhhh...UFC 82 is coming up in a couple of weeks less than a mile away from me. I went the UFC event they held in Columbus last year and saw the tim sylvia and randy couture fight.

I'm more excited about the Jon Fitch fight more than I am the main event. He's on a 7 fight win streak and i havn't really seen or heard anything about his opponent Chris Wilson.

May 31st, MMA coming to primetime national TV (CBS).

Kimbo Slice will be fighting in joint venture between Elite XC and CBS.

It's nice to see MMA breaking into the mainstream so much.

Wow.

The Frank Shamrock vs. Cung Le fight was so damn good.

Yeah that fight was almost good as Frank Shamrock vs. Phil Baroni. Damn I wish I can kick like that. Go Cung Le!

So did anyone watch The Ultimate Fighter last night? I was at the gym, but I'll be watching (well, recording) the replay tonight.

Also, for those with DirecTV, did anyone else notice that Spike TV is now on channel 241 in addition to the usual 325?