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I posted this over at the PGC.com forums also.

I don't really subscribe to the idea that all the supposed 3D stuff is real, but if there's one thing I know about Nintendo, its that they always give clues that almost exactly tell us what they are up to. Miyamoto talking about how he wanted to player to pull the level like Link, or Silicon Knights saying "Gosh we'd sure luv to play with Metal Gear Solid." Even Miyamoto calling the Wiimote "the big gun" wasn't too far off.

Also, this theory has more or less been said in other respects. I'm hardly adding anything new.

So I'm thinking about the Wii logo...and it has a lot of 3D space to it with the dancing i's. For example, the bullets fly at you, then fly back at the i. Then four i's are playing essentially pong with each other.

Then there's this really odd "twisting" of the i that I haven't really figured out...

But anyway, speculation. What "gives it away" to me is the four i's playing pong with each other.

Let's assume you had four players, each with a Wiimote. They are playing the new Mario Tennis. The idea I'm envisioning is that the gameplay takes place in two different universes. 1) You play on the regular television, no big deal. But 2) You play in real world space with others via the Wiimote. So maybe you and your partner are playing, and all of a sudden the game goes in "real" mode, and you start hitting the ball towards each other in real time. In other words, it's out of the damn television at this point. So you can bounce the ball off a table if you want, or maybe you have to volley it the entire time in a hacky-sac sort of thing.

The catch would be that the Wiimote physically interacts with the game world/objects. So an enemy appears and you thrust the Wiimote into them. Perhaps there's a way it looks like an actual sword (though I cannot imagine that is possible). Or you hit the ball with the remote. Whatever.

I keep trying to think about all the odd rumors we've seen in the past. Nintendo supposedly experimented with 3D real time displays at E3 2-3 years ago. Then there was IGN's cryptic remark about "seeing the sensor bar only sometimes."

So maybe games are jumping from 2D to full 3D space.

I'm trying to think of how this could be utilized for various genres, but honestly my head hurts enough as is.

Do I think this is it? No. Do I want it to be this? Hard to say. There's no way for us to know if it would work well or not. I'm excited enough about the way the Wiimote works. I'm fairly sure my head would melt if there's all of a sudden some sort of 3D-on-steriods stuff.

//just sayin'

well I mean, the twisting would reflect the new motion sensing functionality?

but other than that, I'm entirely clear on what you're trying to say.

You know, it's funny you should mention Nintendo dropping hints...because I know Miyamoto mentioned in EGM awhile back (I think it was that snazzy Zelda issue last May? I could be wrong...) that he envisioned games one day breaking away from the confines of the television screen entirely. So...you may be on to something here.

I see how the controllers could react to each other in your hypothetical game, but...how would the players see the ball, then? Are you suggesting it would project a Virtual Ball in the open space in the room or something? That would be...hmm, I can't imagine it's that, but who knows?

I dunno. I'm not convinced myself of this sort of thing. It just doesn't seem entirely possible without a headset of some kind.

In any case, it's labeled speculation, and we've got like 8 days to sweat until then.

I shudder to think of the mental fatigue I'm going to be under during these 192 hours.

E3 is going to bring down the entire internet. You wont be able to check your email during E3. I'm actually going to set aside all obligations during E3 so I can sit on 7 different forums and hit F5.

As RF immortally said, "This announcement has broken the Internet" in regards to Wii.

E3 is going to be that amplified greatly.

There will be servers asploding left and right.

Wii means Wireless internet interface. You heard it here second. I think the four i's playing pong is like the party atmospere and also the fun it will be to play online. Also the shooting at you part could be part of the whole image of immersion that Nintendo wants you to have with the interface. The twisting is clearly the sensors in the remote. Maybe the remote is made of rubber and it twists! Bop-it Wiivolution.

While your speculation is quite interesting I think its almost too far reaching. That kind of technology, while possible in the future would simply be too expensive at this point I believe.

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue While your speculation is quite interesting I think its almost too far reaching. That kind of technology, while possible in the future would simply be too expensive at this point I believe.

This is right on. Nintendo has always been about getting the most bang for your buck rather than paying so much more for top of the line business.

If its too expensive, its not going to happen. Knowing that Nintendo hates taking losses on hardware limits the kinds of radical theories that you can have about what they plan to do.

New and never done is all good, but it cant be too expensive.

No offense, but you people are ing insane. It's a glorified power glove, attached to a very underpowered system, that now has an extremely stupid name, nothing more. It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. I would venture to say some of them will be quite good. But that's it. IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified". They rarely actually add anything, and in several cases, the games would be much better off with out it. There is absolutely nothing at this time to make anyone think that the Wii (dumbest...name...ever) will be any different other than good drugs and a WHOLE lot of hope. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point? Nice delusions, and it would be awesome if that were possible, but right now it's simply not, at least not ANYWHERE near the price point of a home console. It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that. And Nintendo will be eaten for breakfast by sony and microsoft just as in the last generation. Hell, the best thing they have going for them is turbografx game downloads. I hope that's not an exclusive contract. I'd love to see them on live. And for the record, I'm not a MS fanboy Wii-bashing, I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name. I'm praying they have the good sense to change it, at least for the US/Uk release, but they probably won't. Mainly because Nintendo could give a less about the US and it's been that way for a LONG time.

You're talking about some completly new out-of-this-world technology. Honestly the Wii isn't using any revolutionary technology (Gyroscopes have been around for a decade, and even used mildly in gaming for that decade). All their fancy ideas are just things that haven't had mainstream appeal to try.

Originally Posted by mietha I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name.

Remember kids! You TOO can make idiotic statements!

In fact, to continue my previous post, if you really want to play games with a gyroscope buy a gyroscopic mouse and play some PC games.

http://www.gyration.com/en-US/Produc...005M&accshow=3

To be a true CAG wait for it to show up on woot.com (often around $25)

EDIT: Well now I've gone and piqued my interest in a Gyroscopic mouse.

EDIT: Here's a cheaper Gyroscopic mouse:
http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2....cid=25608&fp=F

Brain Age?

No really, selecting multiple choice answers to math problems by either scrolling through menus or hitting the 4 face buttons to simulate A through D is better than writing on a touch screen.

You shouldnt compare the Wii with the DS if you also expect the Wii to do poorly. You know, since the DS basically prints money

Originally Posted by mietha It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks.

Of course, there is the possibility that the Wii will not change the face of gaming, but at least there is that possibility. I'd rather go with that than what is going to be on offer with the PS3 - retreads. Oooh, Tekken 6!! Ridge Racer 7!! Devil May Cry 4!! Ratchet&Clank 5!! Jak&Daxter4!! SlyCooper4!!

I can't say that I'm fully onboard with your ideas, Strelly Boy, but it's interesting.

The Wii is the first console, EVER, that I'll get at launch (and I've been in teh gamez since the NES). I've always wait for a certain console to prove itself worthy of my money. One way or another, Nintendo is going to bring an experience unknown to video games with the Wii. Maybe it'll suck ass. I hope not, but it might. But, since the DS has more than proven itself to live up to its potential, and now even 3rd parties like Ubisoft and EA are showing that they are respecting the Wii (note, these two companies brought us the wonders of King Kong and Burnout on the DS respectively), I'm in at launch and am sure it'll be one heck of a ride. I no longer have time/money/patience to play the same crap over and over. It's either something new or I'm more or less done with gaming.

E3 can't come soon enough. It's gonna be a fun time.

Originally Posted by mietha No offense, but you people are ing insane. It's a glorified power glove, attached to a very underpowered system, that now has an extremely stupid name, nothing more. It is not going to change gaming as we know it. It's going to have a few gimmicks. I would venture to say some of them will be quite good. But that's it. IT"S A GIMMICK. Just like the DS. Sure the DS has some neat things about it, but seriously, has there been one GAME (not nintendogs, it's not a game, per se) that has been truely revolutionary (no pun intended)? In my opinion-no. The vast majority of the games could be done on the PSP much better. The touch screens parts are almost always just something tossed in to make it "DS-ified". They rarely actually add anything, and in several cases, the games would be much better off with out it. There is absolutely nothing at this time to make anyone think that the Wii (dumbest...name...ever) will be any different other than good drugs and a WHOLE lot of hope. I honestly hope I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt it. There will be a few neat games, don't get me wrong. But that's all they'll be, neat gimmicks. Donkey Kong Jungle Beat is a neat idea, but can be played much easier with a controller than the drums, so really, what's the point? Nice delusions, and it would be awesome if that were possible, but right now it's simply not, at least not ANYWHERE near the price point of a home console. It is a gimmick, that will most likely be treated as the touch screen and have some Wiimote minigames as throw-ins and that's that. And Nintendo will be eaten for breakfast by sony and microsoft just as in the last generation. Hell, the best thing they have going for them is turbografx game downloads. I hope that's not an exclusive contract. I'd love to see them on live. And for the record, I'm not a MS fanboy Wii-bashing, I'm just a realist who was looking forward to Nintendo's new experiment, at least until they changed the name. I'm praying they have the good sense to change it, at least for the US/Uk release, but they probably won't. Mainly because Nintendo could give a less about the US and it's been that way for a LONG time.

You know, there's healthy skepticism and constructive criticism and then there's you...

While I can see your point about the DS not being that different you go about making that point all wrong. Games like Castlevania, Tetris, Resident Evil DS, and Metroid Prime Hunters can (and have) been done with conventional control schemes/setups, there are other games that just would not be possible otherwise such as Princess Peach, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Pac-Pix, and Wario Ware Touched. You simply point to the games that have extra thrown in touch screen capability like Castlevania (even the developer has admitted the touch screen "extras" are a waste) and completely marginalize the fact that there are a lot of games that make great use of the touch screen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that the Revolution will follow this same pattern to a certain extent.

Originally Posted by RedvsBlue You know, there's healthy skepticism and constructive criticism and then there's you... While I can see your point about the DS not being that different you go about making that point all wrong. Games like Castlevania, Tetris, Resident Evil DS, and Metroid Prime Hunters can (and have) been done with conventional control schemes/setups, there are other games that just would not be possible otherwise such as Princess Peach, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Pac-Pix, and Wario Ware Touched. You simply point to the games that have extra thrown in touch screen capability like Castlevania (even the developer has admitted the touch screen "extras" are a waste) and completely marginalize the fact that there are a lot of games that make great use of the touch screen. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that the Revolution will follow this same pattern to a certain extent.

Bingo. Not every game on the Wii will be gold, but if the DS is any indication, when things are good, they'll be amazingly good. I wonder if the Wii will have the same kind of odd spread that the DS has, where things are either utter crap or pure gold with very little inbetween. This is normalling out a bit now, but for a while it seemed things were either a King Kong or a Mario Kart DS. Weird.

You be crazy Strell. It doesn't seem to me that there isn't really anything else to show. The 3D world thing is just not possible any further than just detecting where the remotes are. You could play towards a real person, but you wouldn't be able to see shit, so yeah there'd have to be some kind of headset so you could see what was going on for it to work.

At least we won't be playing the same games over and over and over. At least Nintendo is trying.

If this concept were true, then we all know what one of the launch titles would be:



But I don't think it is.