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Bradley Manning VS. The NSA Leaker


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#31 UncleBob

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 12:11 AM

[...]as they purposefully destroyed evidence that would've made their case super rock hard solid,[...]


At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist... what are the odds someone had Manning's back?
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#32 cancerman1120

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 06:19 PM

Manning found not guilty of aiding the enemy, guilty on other charges. He could be sentenced to up to 20 years behind bars on some of the other charges.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2....html?hpt=hp_t1


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#33 dilemna

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

If it's a crime to expose a crime then we're run by criminals.  I don't agree with all his actions, but he shouldn't be given punishments bigger than rape and other such stuff


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#34 UncleBob

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 02:37 AM

I'm thrilled the courts figured out that the American people aren't the enemy. :D
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#35 speedracer

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:39 AM

I'm thrilled the courts figured out that the American people aren't the enemy. :D

 

It's neither here nor there, but I think Snowden's a turd and Manning is a fucking American hero for the ages. No sarcasm. The balls it took to release that shit is legendary. 

 

Having said that, that dude dropped a shit ton (and shit ton doesn't even cover it) of unredacted information describing operations and individuals giving us intelligence. Aiding the enemy was a pretty logical charge against him. 


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#36 UncleBob

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 01:05 PM

Curious, why so down on Snowden?
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#37 speedracer

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:52 PM

Curious, why so down on Snowden?

 

I think it's just my bottomless hatred for government contractors since I work with them everyday.  


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#38 Finger_Shocker

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:15 AM

AKA ... gov't contractors takes away from my cushy gov't job where I get to do squat and still get paid



#39 gunnm

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:47 AM

Thank god this enemy aider was sentenced to hard labor on a military prison. Have fun.



#40 speedracer

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:28 AM

Well that was the easiest ignore ever. 


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#41 ID2006

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:15 AM

...Manning is a fucking American hero for the ages. No sarcasm. The balls it took to release that shit is legendary. 

 

Having said that, that dude dropped a shit ton (and shit ton doesn't even cover it) of unredacted information describing operations and individuals giving us intelligence. Aiding the enemy was a pretty logical charge against him. 

 

It seems like I agree with you, but are you saying Manning should have done things a bit differently? Meaning, should he have had someone (himself?) look over the information and exclude some before delivering it in one big batch?

 

I'm just curious since I don't know a lot of what was contained in all those files aside from a few of the most notorious documents, like some of the war crimes videos.



#42 Purple Flames

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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:01 PM

Thank god this enemy aider was sentenced to hard labor on a military prison. Have fun.

 

The "enemy" he was aiding was the American people.



#43 speedracer

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Posted 02 August 2013 - 01:39 PM

It seems like I agree with you, but are you saying Manning should have done things a bit differently? Meaning, should he have had someone (himself?) look over the information and exclude some before delivering it in one big batch?

 

I'm just curious since I don't know a lot of what was contained in all those files aside from a few of the most notorious documents, like some of the war crimes videos.

 

The number of docs was so gigantic that no one person could possibly vet them all before release. It turns out that some of them had the names of people providing intelligence to us. That's a serious, serious issue. 

 

I don't know what the answer is. I understand why he chose to go to Wikileaks. I don't think not releasing was an option given his motivation. When all said and done, I think he did the right thing, but there was certainly some bad things released along with the good. Like virtually everything, this isn't unambiguously good. 


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#44 UncleBob

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

So... Lavabit has shut down.
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#45 detectiveconan16

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Posted 14 August 2013 - 10:08 PM

http://usnews.nbcnew...s-in-court?lite

 

Manning has made his plea to the judges regarding his sentencing.  The article details how much stress he was put under while in service, especially to the point where he thought he should live as a woman, according to a military psychiatrist.  Of course the media pundits are going to jump on this and start attacking Manning's "predilection" toward transsexuality, even though that's not the real point of his story.  Were they really expecting him to get suicidal or homicidal like the veterans in our country today, where they barely get enough help?


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#46 dafoomie

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 12:42 AM

I think something on the order of 10 years would be appropriate.  Low enough in consideration of his circumstances and contrition but severe enough to deter others and to reflect the recklessness of his actions.  He would be a free man at 35.



#47 speedracer

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:31 PM

BBC guy just asked this question on twitter. I think it's a fucking great question.

 

Arriving at Fort Meade for Manning sentence - what will he get compared to Bales (Afghan massacre) ?

 

Bales is that soldier that freaked out and killed 16 civilians in cold blood. 


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#48 mrsilkunderwear

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 03:38 PM

35 years

http://rt.com/usa/ma...years-jail-785/



#49 dafoomie

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 09:16 PM

Eligible for parole in 8 years.



#50 willardhaven

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 01:49 AM

I think they should have gone easier on him due to the mistreatment he received prior to trial and the fact that he exposed criminal activity.

 

Hope he's out in 8.


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#51 UncleBob

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 02:09 AM

Not being at all sarcastic when I say this, but it'd be great if President Obama, who ran on a campaign of transparancy, would seriously step in and pardon this guy.
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#52 GrooThePerverted

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:53 AM

Not being at all sarcastic when I say this, but it'd be great if President Obama, who ran on a campaign of transparancy, would seriously step in and pardon this guy.

Yeah, that's not gonna happen.  It SHOULD, but it won't. 

 

He has found himself, ironically, in the same situation that many Republicans found themselves in when they were attacking him leading up to 2008.

 

Back then you had all these Republicans going on and on about how Obama is Satan himself, he wants to kill your grandmother, he's secretly a Muslim who sympathizes with the Terrorists.  If he gets his way he's gonna bring about the downfall of American Civilization and this will become some Kenyan Muslim Socialist Fascist state that has elements of Marxism everywhere.

 

So then when he WON, they had painted themselves into a corner where they could NEVER compromise and work with him, because how could they?  They'd just spent a year explaining how anything this man does would destroy everything you hold sacred.  For you to turn around and work with someone who you said would destroy everything if he got his policies passed, well...that wouldn't go over well for their constituents.

 

Kind of hard to work with someone that explicitly states that his #1 goal is to make him a one term President.

 

Now Obama has done that to himself as it relates to Manning.  The Administration has made sure that Manning has been labeled a traitor, not a whistleblower, has painted him in the worst light, talked about how supposedly all these people were put in danger or whatever based on what he did, when there is no evidence of that, and on and on and on.

 

So for him to NOW come out and say, "Alright, I pardon Bradley Manning", that would just open him up to so much criticism, and we've all seen how he bends over backwards for the Republicans to not criticize him, as if they would ever NOT do so no matter what he does.

 

So yeah, he's not gonna pardon him, but that was a nice little humorous idea that they threw out.  smh.

 

I voted for Obama in 2008 but did not vote for him in 2012 (I voted for Jill Stein).  Just disgusted at how things have gone.  Funny enough all the reasons the Republicans are hating him for are almost universally bullshit, often racially tinged (or overtly so) conspiracies.  The stuff they SHOULD be mad at him for, they actually love.